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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 17, 2015 14:48:56 GMT -5
This one begins and ends with Alberto Del Rio. He had a bizarre non face turn where he beat the Big Show for the world title on SD, but there was no actual turn. Then he started cutting "I was wrong" promos and feuding with Jack Swagger. The big problem there was that Del Rio himself espoused similar rhetoric to what Swagger and Zeb were saying only a year earlier.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 17, 2015 15:42:00 GMT -5
I agree 100% . People seem to forget that when Jake The Snake Roberts crashed the Savage-Elizabeth wedding, Undertaker was the one who knocked Savage out. 6 months later, Undertaker has a change of heart without explanation. Seems to me, that Taker had no problem messing with Savage, but Roberts threatening to hit Elizabeth with the chair didn't sit well with him. Even zombies have standards, you know! Could've sworn it was explained that Taker didn't care for Jake attempting to hit Liz with the chair. Which is amusing considering Jake had already slapped her before then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 15:43:11 GMT -5
Any face turn that happened because a heel stable turned on one of its members. The dude is still a heel, he just isn't friends with the other heels anymore. That doesn't make him a face.
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Post by Instant Classic on Aug 17, 2015 15:49:27 GMT -5
Punk loses to Taker after the Paul Bearer stuff then comes back face.
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Post by somsta on Aug 17, 2015 15:52:05 GMT -5
Any face turn that happened because a heel stable turned on one of its members. The dude is still a heel, he just isn't friends with the other heels anymore. That doesn't make him a face. I can't remember the exact details, but Hacksaw Duggan turning face in WCW was a great/awful example of that. Team Canada was in a match and Duggan teased hitting them with his two by four but stayed heel and helped attack their opponents. Then Team Canada beat him up and kicked him out anyway. That turned him face.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 17, 2015 15:55:42 GMT -5
Randy Orton in 2004. His character didn't change any, he just got jumped by other bad guys. TBF, they might have been jealous over him wrestling and pinning himself to win his first WHC. Yeah. The 2004 turn was justified. He beat C**** B***** cleanly, and Triple H was butthurt because his "young boy" won the title and he didn't. The other face turns weren't really justified since the reason they turned on him in the first place were because they were flat out "tired of his shit". He was abusive to Legacy, and jealous of Rollins and even suggested that the Authority should turn on him iirc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 16:11:18 GMT -5
Any face turn that happened because a heel stable turned on one of its members. The dude is still a heel, he just isn't friends with the other heels anymore. That doesn't make him a face. I can't remember the exact details, but Hacksaw Duggan turning face in WCW was a great/awful example of that. Team Canada was in a match and Duggan teased hitting them with his two by four but stayed heel and helped attack their opponents. Then Team Canada beat him up and kicked him out anyway. That turned him face. It happened to Big Show and Konnan when the nWo Hollywood and Wolfpack rejoined and then kicked them out.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 17, 2015 16:30:40 GMT -5
Seems to me, that Taker had no problem messing with Savage, but Roberts threatening to hit Elizabeth with the chair didn't sit well with him. Even zombies have standards, you know! Could've sworn it was explained that Taker didn't care for Jake attempting to hit Liz with the chair. Which is amusing considering Jake had already slapped her before then. Yes, well, a chairshot is more serious than a slap, but I see your point. Thinking a bit further, Taker wasn't there when Jake slapped Liz, was he? Maybe he didn't watch the show on TV? Do zombie morticians even have TVs?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 17, 2015 20:09:35 GMT -5
Steve Austin after the invasion storyline ended. What the hell was that?
I can sort of understand making Kurt the smug ass who saved WWE but every time I think of Austin coming back and turning face I always remember the Sgt Slaughter segment of him screaming I want my country back.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 18, 2015 3:20:51 GMT -5
Could've sworn it was explained that Taker didn't care for Jake attempting to hit Liz with the chair. Which is amusing considering Jake had already slapped her before then. Yes, well, a chairshot is more serious than a slap, but I see your point. Thinking a bit further, Taker wasn't there when Jake slapped Liz, was he? Maybe he didn't watch the show on TV? Do zombie morticians even have TVs? WHAT A NERD! HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A TV!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 4:08:29 GMT -5
Yes, well, a chairshot is more serious than a slap, but I see your point. Thinking a bit further, Taker wasn't there when Jake slapped Liz, was he? Maybe he didn't watch the show on TV? Do zombie morticians even have TVs? WHAT A NERD! HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A TV! Dammit, I was going to make that joke!
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 18, 2015 6:01:58 GMT -5
I agree 100% . People seem to forget that when Jake The Snake Roberts crashed the Savage-Elizabeth wedding, Undertaker was the one who knocked Savage out. 6 months later, Undertaker has a change of heart without explanation. Seems to me, that Taker had no problem messing with Savage, but Roberts threatening to hit Elizabeth with the chair didn't sit well with him. Even zombies have standards, you know! This has always been my understanding.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Aug 18, 2015 22:45:46 GMT -5
Could've sworn it was explained that Taker didn't care for Jake attempting to hit Liz with the chair. Which is amusing considering Jake had already slapped her before then. Yes, well, a chairshot is more serious than a slap, but I see your point. Thinking a bit further, Taker wasn't there when Jake slapped Liz, was he? Maybe he didn't watch the show on TV? Do zombie morticians even have TVs? Taker fought Hogan for the WWF Title that night. It's kayfabe possible he was so focused on his match he didn't realize it had happened.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 18, 2015 23:00:43 GMT -5
This one begins and ends with Alberto Del Rio. He had a bizarre non face turn where he beat the Big Show for the world title on SD, but there was no actual turn. Then he started cutting "I was wrong" promos and feuding with Jack Swagger. The big problem there was that Del Rio himself espoused similar rhetoric to what Swagger and Zeb were saying only a year earlier. He turned before that when he saved Ricardo from a beatdown from 3MB IIRC. It was still weird as hell. Mine would be Triple H turning face in 2006, which basically started because he kept losing to Cena. Then he got upset over it blaming Vince for ther losses and complaining about how he wasn't being given more title shots. He was still a self centered git, and teaming with Michaels didn't change any of that.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 19, 2015 3:25:12 GMT -5
Two very good calls in here which I will revisit:
- Millionaires Club MADE NO SENSE AS A FACE FACTION, and yes some members even feuded beforehand and suddenly everything's fine again!? Epitome of stupid
- Austin after Survivor Series 01 MADE NO SENSE after him trying to destroy WWF and joining/captaining the rival faction. That one RAW might have been one of the worst booked POS shows ever in this company's history
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 19, 2015 5:02:25 GMT -5
Any face turn that happened because a heel stable turned on one of its members. The dude is still a heel, he just isn't friends with the other heels anymore. That doesn't make him a face. Exactly, he's just a stupid heel now since he didn't see it coming.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 19, 2015 9:53:20 GMT -5
This one begins and ends with Alberto Del Rio. He had a bizarre non face turn where he beat the Big Show for the world title on SD, but there was no actual turn. Then he started cutting "I was wrong" promos and feuding with Jack Swagger. The big problem there was that Del Rio himself espoused similar rhetoric to what Swagger and Zeb were saying only a year earlier. He actually turned face when someone went after Ricardo. TBF, they might have been jealous over him wrestling and pinning himself to win his first WHC. Yeah. The 2004 turn was justified. He beat C**** B***** cleanly, and Triple H was butthurt because his "young boy" won the title and he didn't. This would have worked much better if it was built up more instead of having them throw him out the night after winning the title from Chris Benoit.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 19, 2015 10:05:37 GMT -5
Hollywood Hogan was trying to sow the seeds for a face turn around the time of Uncensored in 1999, a little over two months after the disastrous fingerpoke of doom reunited the NWO, he got injured at Spring stampede, then back he came as a fully fledged face after 3 years of making everyone's lives miserable to be the face leading the company into the new millennium. Give me strength.
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Post by somsta on Aug 19, 2015 10:15:32 GMT -5
This one begins and ends with Alberto Del Rio. He had a bizarre non face turn where he beat the Big Show for the world title on SD, but there was no actual turn. Then he started cutting "I was wrong" promos and feuding with Jack Swagger. The big problem there was that Del Rio himself espoused similar rhetoric to what Swagger and Zeb were saying only a year earlier. He actually turned face when someone went after Ricardo. Yeah. The 2004 turn was justified. He beat C**** B***** cleanly, and Triple H was butthurt because his "young boy" won the title and he didn't. This would have worked much better if it was built up more instead of having them throw him out the night after winning the title from Chris Benoit. Yeah, it would have been so easy to build up some resentment between Orton and HHH going into Summerslam.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 19, 2015 10:26:10 GMT -5
He actually turned face when someone went after Ricardo. This would have worked much better if it was built up more instead of having them throw him out the night after winning the title from Chris Benoit. Yeah, it would have been so easy to build up some resentment between Orton and HHH going into Summerslam. Honestly, they turned the wrong guy in the wrong way. I'd have had Orton win the belt, then be super cocky, putting HHH down since he has the belt, refusing to honour a deal they made to give HHH a shot, then kick HHH out of the group for a short face run.
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