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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 20, 2015 12:55:39 GMT -5
Eh... I was always for Taker retiring with it intact.
AT the time I said I could see it being his retirement with it breaking as he wouldn't feel obligated to come back for Mania every year until he dropped dead in the ring.
But that obviously isn't the case.
Brock was pretty much the only person that could have done it in my opinion... it being on a young guy is an anchor and there is also the problem of... what if the person they put one of the longest storylines in professional wrestling on doesn't remain over or any other things that could have happened that basically make him a footnote instead of the new megastar...
Brock being the one to do you don't have to worry about that possibility.
That said I think even without the streak squashing Cena at Summerslam alone would have been enough to put over the Last Boss aura on Brock.
I also don't think if Brock loses to taker it's completly wasted since it'd be the only time Taker has been able to beat Brock and nothing Taker can do to him erases the fact that Brock walked into his domain and did what nobody else could.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 20, 2015 12:56:49 GMT -5
I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, I would say "absolutely" but get back to me in like 3 years and I might have a different answer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:16:30 GMT -5
Even if they screw it up badly, I still think they made the right call in theory and the glimpses of it showed. Like Lesnar is the now number one draw in wrestling outside of The Rock but Hollywood made The Rock a bigger draw than the WWE. Like Lesnar went from a special attraction to the must see attraction in WWE, the final boss and conquering The Streak made him into the final boss. Which ever young fresh babyface defeats Lesnar cleanly will be forever made. Even if they kill Lesnars aura by making Cena making Lesnar tap out, it was still the right call to break the streak for what could of been
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 20, 2015 14:24:27 GMT -5
Even if they screw it up badly, I still think they made the right call in theory and the glimpses of it showed. Like Lesnar is the now number one draw in wrestling outside of The Rock but Hollywood made The Rock a bigger draw than the WWE. Like Lesnar went from a special attraction to the must see attraction in WWE, the final boss and conquering The Streak made him into the final boss. Which ever young fresh babyface defeats Lesnar cleanly will be forever made. Even if they kill Lesnars aura by making Cena making Lesnar tap out, it was still the right call to break the streak for what could of been Brock Lesnar's UFC career made Brock what he is. WWE values him more as a MMA fighter (read. a "celebrity") than an actual pro wrestler. A young fresh babyface could've still made their career on Brock without the Streak
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:29:59 GMT -5
Even if they screw it up badly, I still think they made the right call in theory and the glimpses of it showed. Like Lesnar is the now number one draw in wrestling outside of The Rock but Hollywood made The Rock a bigger draw than the WWE. Like Lesnar went from a special attraction to the must see attraction in WWE, the final boss and conquering The Streak made him into the final boss. Which ever young fresh babyface defeats Lesnar cleanly will be forever made. Even if they kill Lesnars aura by making Cena making Lesnar tap out, it was still the right call to break the streak for what could of been Brock Lesnar's UFC career made Brock what he is. WWE values him more as a MMA fighter (read. a "celebrity") than an actual pro wrestler. A young fresh babyface could've still made their career on Brock without the Streak I clearly said Lesnar went from a special attraction (based on his UFC career and nostalgia factor) and morphed him into the must see attraction (breaking the streak, squashing Cena for the WWE Championship) Brock is now worth way more now than he was in 2012 even. Whoever beats him cleanly would be even be made more now then beating a Brock Lesnar who didn't end the streak
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 20, 2015 14:32:10 GMT -5
Yes. I think it should have been done a lot earlier but Brock was the right guy. One of my favourite wrestling moments ever.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 20, 2015 14:56:05 GMT -5
People say it should have been a young up and comer, but I wouldn't wish that kind of pressure on anyone. That's equal to about 50 first world title wins. I think Brock was the one to do it because fans wouldn't call bullshit on it and Brock is cocky enough.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 20, 2015 16:08:17 GMT -5
Seeing what happened since, of course it was the right call. Brock became BROCK. Back then I still was not convinced cause the whole thing was awkward for everybody mainly cause Brock was seen as a part-timer who was undeserving of the rub. But even if they cannot book anything for this shit these days, give credit where it's due, the WWE took this and milked it like crazy, almost like post Bret-Vince-Montreal where they used the hate people had toward Vince and made him this super-heel and made tons of money off it. Well, in one night Paul Heyman turned all these baffled feelings that people had into gold. And now WWE had something they could build on. Then we got the brilliant Summerslam Cena-Lesnar booking and the rest is history. (damn I want to watch that again) Still...the fanboy in me would have wanted to have had Sting do it. Or at least have Taker been undefeated at Mania when Sting come a knockin'. I hear this a lot or used to so I tend to ask this question. Why does Brock being a part timer hold him back from being deserving? He couldn't bolt after the win because he was still under contract another year. Sting vs. Taker wouldn't have been a barn burner and still wouldn't be now but the main purpose of that match is the entrances and the atmosphere around the match. If 50 something year old Sting came off the TNA boat to beat Taker people would of lost their shit and if he lost to Taker it would of been same old same old. At least now if they do matchup(which is still possible) the match will have a different air about it since no more undefeated streak. Make it a career vs career match if you really want to raise the stakes as neither don't really need to wrestle anymore and are fine doing special appearances and signature spots. It had nothing to do with Brock leaving but remember back then we didn't have the same perception of Brock. He was seen as this money-hungry guy who didn't seem to enjoy pro wrestling. People wouldn't have accepted Batista coming and defeating Taker either. Nobody even imagined that this would actually help Brock cause the thinking was "we know Brock is a monster, so what, we need someone that can benefit from beating the streak". We were all wrong but this was the thinking at the time. I think Sting vs Taker for the streak would have raised the stakes to incredible levels. This is a case where you could have made it about WWE vs WCW unlike that Sting-Hunter shitfest. Cause you would have the two iconic representatives of both companies. I'm not saying Sting should have won it though. Hell end it on a draw. So it keeps Sting looking strong and Taker doesn't lose face. Match ends, they shake hands. And the streak can end a year later or whatever. But the way things happened I don't have a problem with except for Sting losing to Hunter. That was a monumental mistake.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 20, 2015 16:10:31 GMT -5
People say it should have been a young up and comer, but I wouldn't wish that kind of pressure on anyone. That's equal to about 50 first world title wins. I think Brock was the one to do it because fans wouldn't call bullshit on it and Brock is cocky enough. True. Brock was the right guy to end it mainly because he really don't give a f*** about the pressure it put on him since he has his priorities in life in check.
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Post by cahuette on Aug 20, 2015 16:18:32 GMT -5
They should've ended it with Punk or kept it for Cena.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 20, 2015 17:40:06 GMT -5
People say it should have been a young up and comer, but I wouldn't wish that kind of pressure on anyone. That's equal to about 50 first world title wins. I think Brock was the one to do it because fans wouldn't call bullshit on it and Brock is cocky enough. True. Brock was the right guy to end it mainly because he really don't give a f*** about the pressure it put on him since he has his priorities in life in check. It would have also taken years and years to build up anyone newer to believably achieve something that the likes of HHH, HBK, Edge, Randy Orton, Cm Punk, Ric Flair, etc. couldn't do. Taker wasn't getting any younger and they, unfortunately, hadn't even begun to build anyone for that. I hated it immediatly at the time but, there really wasn't any other way in hindsight and the follow-up was actually great.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 17:44:43 GMT -5
Honestly beating Brock is now the new streak and less of an albatross for a new up and comer. It's actually kind of genius now. Like Kane absorbing Ric Flairs powers by burning his suit in a trashcan levels of genius
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 20, 2015 17:54:39 GMT -5
Honestly beating Brock is now the new streak and less of an albatross for a new up and comer. It's actually kind of genius now. Like Kane absorbing Ric Flairs powers by burning his suit in a trashcan levels of genius EXACTLY. Having Brock be a damn near unstoppable monster can be a thing for years to come. It's not like it'll become a problem or old-hat as he only wrestles five times a year, so it's not like he will crush mid carders every week on RAW. Brock can be the new monster to take down. Alas it looks like Taker might be the guy to do it. Which is silly, Taker is fifty and his career is 99% done. Brock has years left.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 20, 2015 18:24:34 GMT -5
I hear this a lot or used to so I tend to ask this question. Why does Brock being a part timer hold him back from being deserving? He couldn't bolt after the win because he was still under contract another year. Sting vs. Taker wouldn't have been a barn burner and still wouldn't be now but the main purpose of that match is the entrances and the atmosphere around the match. If 50 something year old Sting came off the TNA boat to beat Taker people would of lost their shit and if he lost to Taker it would of been same old same old. At least now if they do matchup(which is still possible) the match will have a different air about it since no more undefeated streak. Make it a career vs career match if you really want to raise the stakes as neither don't really need to wrestle anymore and are fine doing special appearances and signature spots. It had nothing to do with Brock leaving but remember back then we didn't have the same perception of Brock. He was seen as this money-hungry guy who didn't seem to enjoy pro wrestling. People wouldn't have accepted Batista coming and defeating Taker either. Nobody even imagined that this would actually help Brock cause the thinking was "we know Brock is a monster, so what, we need someone that can benefit from beating the streak". We were all wrong but this was the thinking at the time. I think Sting vs Taker for the streak would have raised the stakes to incredible levels. This is a case where you could have made it about WWE vs WCW unlike that Sting-Hunter shitfest. Cause you would have the two iconic representatives of both companies. I'm not saying Sting should have won it though. Hell end it on a draw. So it keeps Sting looking strong and Taker doesn't lose face. Match ends, they shake hands. And the streak can end a year later or whatever. But the way things happened I don't have a problem with except for Sting losing to Hunter. That was a monumental mistake. I disagree on the Sting and HHH match I enjoyed it for what it was. It was never going to be a technical masterpiece but it kept me entertained and that's what important in a match like that. I don't like how they turned it into WCW vs. WWE when Sting was originally going after HHH for abusing his power. However, a WCW icon Sting vs a WWE icon in Taker could of been built up well but I do expect them to get their match. Like I said before make it a career vs career match and that will raise the stakes just as much the streak would have. A draw between these two would be a cop out in my opinion. Somebody gets the rub of ending the others career and it moves on from there. I see what you are saying about Brock but I always fell into the line of so what he's a "money hungry monster", the man is a mercenary and does business. I didn't expect Brock to win because they made him "human" but since then he's built a mystique of a killer and nobody is his equal since the Taker match.
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Post by Chestnutrice on Aug 20, 2015 21:01:31 GMT -5
Absoulutely, It rehabbed Brock after those terrible Haitch matches. The only problem was having Taker f***ing wrestle the following Mania for no reason.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 21, 2015 16:00:55 GMT -5
It had nothing to do with Brock leaving but remember back then we didn't have the same perception of Brock. He was seen as this money-hungry guy who didn't seem to enjoy pro wrestling. People wouldn't have accepted Batista coming and defeating Taker either. Nobody even imagined that this would actually help Brock cause the thinking was "we know Brock is a monster, so what, we need someone that can benefit from beating the streak". We were all wrong but this was the thinking at the time. I think Sting vs Taker for the streak would have raised the stakes to incredible levels. This is a case where you could have made it about WWE vs WCW unlike that Sting-Hunter shitfest. Cause you would have the two iconic representatives of both companies. I'm not saying Sting should have won it though. Hell end it on a draw. So it keeps Sting looking strong and Taker doesn't lose face. Match ends, they shake hands. And the streak can end a year later or whatever. But the way things happened I don't have a problem with except for Sting losing to Hunter. That was a monumental mistake. I disagree on the Sting and HHH match I enjoyed it for what it was. It was never going to be a technical masterpiece but it kept me entertained and that's what important in a match like that. I don't like how they turned it into WCW vs. WWE when Sting was originally going after HHH for abusing his power. However, a WCW icon Sting vs a WWE icon in Taker could of been built up well but I do expect them to get their match. Like I said before make it a career vs career match and that will raise the stakes just as much the streak would have. A draw between these two would be a cop out in my opinion. Somebody gets the rub of ending the others career and it moves on from there. I see what you are saying about Brock but I always fell into the line of so what he's a "money hungry monster", the man is a mercenary and does business. I didn't expect Brock to win because they made him "human" but since then he's built a mystique of a killer and nobody is his equal since the Taker match. The Sting vs Hunter match was decent. But I was talking about the build up and the booking of Sting and the storyline and them not being clear if it's about WWE vs WWE or not. And having Hunter go over so soon after Sting joined, most of it was garbage. Not to mention the awkward use of DX and the nWo and the stupid post-match handshake. About Taker vs Brock, at the time the build was seen as pretty bad and the feud came out of nowhere. I know Sting couldn't have been at that Mania cause he only signed with WWE during the summer. I guess in wrestling, it's all about the timing. -For that Mania I would have offered Rock a deal to have a match against Brock. A match of titanic proportions, you have Brock go over clean. It adds to the legend. -Have Taker face Bray Wyatt last year instead of this year. Ends the match in DQ after the Wyatts attack Taker. He survives and win by DQ. Have him being bloodied in the face to create this image of this monster that cannot be beat, where he's mad at Hell and they are shocked. -At Summerslam, same thing happen, Brock destroys Cena. -But on that card, I would have Sting have his first match. Against a former WCW guy. Say like Goldust. If you're gonna have this being about WCW, then have Sting take out most of the former WCW guys one after the other to make a point. Cause he would view them as tarnished so to speak, or having betrayed WCW. The whole Authority angle thing was never about Sting. Even if he said "he doesn't want the Authority to lay down injustice like it happened in WCW with the nWo". Well if Sting would have been about that, Hunter vs Sting would have had for stipulation that if Sting wins, the Authority disband. That would have been the most logical outcome. And in the most lol segment the nWo teamed with Sting at Mania! -So don't have Sting be involved in the Authority angle. Let Ambrose and Reigns be the frontline guys. Have Hunter put over Reigns at that Mania(instead of facing Sting). Ambrose replaces Reigns against Brock. Same thing happens, Rollins cash in, get title. It creates even more heat between Ambrose and Rollins to boot. -Sting faces Taker. The heat between the two could start after Sting has defeated all the former WCW guys. Taker is in the Rumble match, Sting comes off the rooftop like he did back in the day, has Taker being eliminated from the match. In the following weeks, you have cryptic videos about Sting saying Taker represents the spirit WWE and that is why he must be destroyed. That's the build-up. -Match ends in a draw. But you could have this be a grudge grueling match. If if it's just two old men beating the Hell out of each other, so be it. You could have the nWo appear to help Taker beat Sting but all those WCW guys that Sting defeated, chase the nWo away. After the match, Sting and Taker shake hands. -Post-Mania, I think you could have Sting just come in to do a promo, to make amends and say he is happy to be in the WWE. Then you hear the music of Vince who confront him, saying he signed him just to screw him and start saying bad things about Sting and WCW. Sting Scorpion Deathdrop Him. In the following weeks, you could have Steph and Hunter get into it. Feud between Sting and the McMahons. At Summerslam this year you would have had Sting vs HHH with Sting going over. -the title match at Summerslam is Seth vs Ambrose vs Brock. -Prior to this, after Brock got into it with the Authority, Brock absolutely destroys Kane. So during the title match, Taker comes in to punish Brock. Cost him the title. Ambrose pins Rollins to become new WWE World Champ. -Taker-Brock, is set for Mania 2016.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 22, 2015 4:24:48 GMT -5
Honestly beating Brock is now the new streak and less of an albatross for a new up and comer. It's actually kind of genius now. Like Kane absorbing Ric Flairs powers by burning his suit in a trashcan levels of genius What's stopping them from not having anyone beat Brock because "young guys can't handle the pressure"?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 22, 2015 5:46:43 GMT -5
It honestly sort of depends on what happens on Sunday. If Taker wins, nope. Actually, yeah, this is my answer too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 8:52:13 GMT -5
Honestly beating Brock is now the new streak and less of an albatross for a new up and comer. It's actually kind of genius now. Like Kane absorbing Ric Flairs powers by burning his suit in a trashcan levels of genius What's stopping them from not having anyone beat Brock because "young guys can't handle the pressure"? A thing called build up and timing. They chose Roman Reigns to do it last year but realized he wasn't ready. The same reason why Undertaker streak ended at Wrestlemania 30 and not sooner.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Aug 22, 2015 13:35:37 GMT -5
Having Brock end the Streak was the right call. The problem about it is that now Brock is so well booked compared to the rest of the roster, I would have a hard time believing ANYONE could beat him.
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