Vince raiding WCW in 1991

[Madagascar Fred]

Getting Nasty Boys at the beginning of the year, then acquiring Flair and Sid in the summer was pretty big I think (also IRS after WM)

What would have happened if Vince decided to further raid WCW? Instead of spending money on WBF (oh Vince, you really ain't the brightest one), why not spend money on guys like Sting, Luger, Muta, Liger, Pillman...? I think they would have fit perfectly in WWF

Imagine a fullblown Steamboat-Pillman feud...Sting & Luger vs Money Inc...Sting & Luger vs L.O.D...Bret vs Muta...Michaels vs Liger...

Instead we got Skinner, El Matador, New Foundation, Repo Man, Berzerker...

EDIT: crap, I thought I'm in wrest of wrestling, sry ;( can someone remove it to wrest of wrestling please?

[cabbageboy]

He did spend money on Luger...for the WBF, haha. Some of the Japanese guys wouldn't even be in WWF anyway since WCW had that agreement with New Japan. Muta and Liger weren't full time WCW guys really. I don't even really think Vince intended to raid WCW in 1991. The Nasty Boys had short term deals and Vince grabbed them, but that was just WCW being idiots. Sid was a coveted signing, no doubt. But Vince had no thoughts of signing Flair at all, that was one Jim Herd gifted him by being a total moron.

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I don't think that was really a raid in the same way as when he raided the territories. He just signed a few top free agents, and then they all went back to WCW. People went back and forth a lot in the 80's and 90's.

[Madagascar Fred]

Aug 22, 2015 10:41:41 GMT -5 cabbageboy said:

He did spend money on Luger...for the WBF, haha. Some of the Japanese guys wouldn't even be in WWF anyway since WCW had that agreement with New Japan. Muta and Liger weren't full time WCW guys really. I don't even really think Vince intended to raid WCW in 1991. The Nasty Boys had short term deals and Vince grabbed them, but that was just WCW being idiots. Sid was a coveted signing, no doubt. But Vince had no thoughts of signing Flair at all, that was one Jim Herd gifted him by being a total moron.

Yeah but he could have offered Liger or Muta some kind of contract to lure them away from NJPW. Nasties' shortterm WCW contract was surely because of its financial struggles. I'm sure Vince was more than happy to sign Flair since the top heels around that time were rookie Undertaker, turncoat Sgt Slaughter and newly-turned Jake Roberts

[bob]

What's this doing in the TNA section?

[Racksman]

Only ones he raided were the Nasties. Rotundas contract was up, Sid had his first of many disagreements with management and we all know the Flair story by now. If Jim Herd wasn't the way he was, Flair never goes to WWF until 2001.

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Aug 22, 2015 12:22:44 GMT -5 Madagascar Fred said:

Aug 22, 2015 10:41:41 GMT -5 cabbageboy said:

He did spend money on Luger...for the WBF, haha. Some of the Japanese guys wouldn't even be in WWF anyway since WCW had that agreement with New Japan. Muta and Liger weren't full time WCW guys really. I don't even really think Vince intended to raid WCW in 1991. The Nasty Boys had short term deals and Vince grabbed them, but that was just WCW being idiots. Sid was a coveted signing, no doubt. But Vince had no thoughts of signing Flair at all, that was one Jim Herd gifted him by being a total moron.

Yeah but he could have offered Liger or Muta some kind of contract to lure them away from NJPW. Nasties' shortterm WCW contract was surely because of its financial struggles. I'm sure Vince was more than happy to sign Flair since the top heels around that time were rookie Undertaker, turncoat Sgt Slaughter and newly-turned Jake Roberts

Wasn't the reason Luger was contracted to WBF just to circumvent the no-compete clause in his WCW contract?

[Clawley Race]

There was no raid...people just jumped around a lot. Taker came over the year before, Hall (and Doink!)the next, Nash the next, and Austin 2 later. Did WWF raid WCW every year from 1990-1995? Far from it.

In 1991, Rude and Steamboat came to WCW. Dustin Rhodes came to WCW. Windham came back in 90. These are all just some quick examples demonstrating the time it was. Quick though of 92, Valentine, Barbarian, Raven, Roberts, Hercules all went to WCW. Hell, about 1/3 of the 1992 was in WCW by 1993 BEFORE Hogan and Savage came in!

[brody]

Vince would have had no use for small non English speaking workers. Liger would have been Max Moon.

[andrew8798]

Aug 22, 2015 17:43:28 GMT -5 @monkeyduck said:

Aug 22, 2015 12:22:44 GMT -5 Madagascar Fred said:

Yeah but he could have offered Liger or Muta some kind of contract to lure them away from NJPW. Nasties' shortterm WCW contract was surely because of its financial struggles. I'm sure Vince was more than happy to sign Flair since the top heels around that time were rookie Undertaker, turncoat Sgt Slaughter and newly-turned Jake Roberts

Wasn't the reason Luger was contracted to WBF just to circumvent the no-compete clause in his WCW contract?

Yeah he couldn't wrestle and Vince thought the WBF was going to be a big hit

[Cranjis McBasketball]

I don't think I knew the Nasties came from WCW, I always thought they went there after, thought the Nasties came from the AWA?

[andrew8798]

Was AWA then WCW and then WWF

Vince saw the match they had at havoc wit the Steiners and signed them

[Tiger Millionaire]

Turner owned WCW, Vince wasn't going to outspend him.

[TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out]

Aug 22, 2015 22:24:23 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Aug 22, 2015 17:43:28 GMT -5 @monkeyduck said:

Wasn't the reason Luger was contracted to WBF just to circumvent the no-compete clause in his WCW contract?

Yeah he couldn't wrestle and Vince thought the WBF was going to be a big hit

Why did it take Vince decades to realize that the reason Superstar and Hogan were so popular was their charisma, not their muscles?

[auph10imitated]

I wonder where Luger would have fit in 1992 had he been able to wrestle. Perhaps joining up with Flair and Perfect makes the most sense. Perhaps having Flair and Luger vs Savage and Warrior at Summerslam as the co-main event too Bulldog vs Hitman.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Aug 22, 2015 22:40:29 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

Turner owned WCW, Vince wasn't going to outspend him.

In the late 90s? Sure but Turner wasn't spending silly money on WCW in the late 80s, early 90s, he was putting guys like Herd and Watts in charge to try and get it on an even keel financially.

[Mozenrath]

Aug 22, 2015 22:45:18 GMT -5 TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out said:

Aug 22, 2015 22:24:23 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Yeah he couldn't wrestle and Vince thought the WBF was going to be a big hit

Why did it take Vince decades to realize that the reason Superstar and Hogan were so popular was their charisma, not their muscles?

The muscles didn't hurt, to be fair. Hogan being a, well, hulking guy did make him pretty eye catching, along with the loud colors, distinctive mustache and haircut. He was a very visually striking, in addition to being such a cartoon character with presence.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Aug 23, 2015 6:09:13 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Aug 22, 2015 22:40:29 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

Turner owned WCW, Vince wasn't going to outspend him.

In the late 90s? Sure but Turner wasn't spending silly money on WCW in the late 80s, early 90s, he was putting guys like Herd and Watts in charge to try and get it on an even keel financially.

Turner still had money, and wouldn't have taken kindly to a corporate raider.

[OGBoardPoster2005]

I wish Vince had done a Four Horsemen esqe stable in 1992, as an "Invasion" of the WWF with Flair, Sid, Luger, and Rotunda, perhaps the Steiners replacing Rotunda if they come earlier. Have the group monopolize the belts throughout 1992, then at Survivor Series have a WWF All-Star team of Hogan, Savage, Hart and Warrior defeat them, with the elimination ensuing:

1.Savage pinned Rotunda
2.Warrior gets DQ'd
3.Flair pins Savage
4.Hogan pins Sid
5.Flair and Hogan get counted out
6.Hart pins Luger

From there, Hogan defeats Flair in the 1993 Royal Rumble to win the WWF Title. Hart wins the Rumble and at Mania, Hart beats Hogan and Luger beats Flair to send him back to WCW.

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Shane Douglas might have been the first of this group, but wasn't that in 1989?