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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 17:46:55 GMT -5
As the topic states, how much? Look at past eras if you want. Preferably reference past angles that had the perfect mix of realism for you.
Do you want the cartoony, larger than life style of the 80s? Do you want the early 90s WWF style which was slightly more realistic? 1997 WWF? Attitude Era? ECW? Just, what do you want from a realism standpoint and why do you want that much?
Personally I say there has to be a great mix of realism and wrestling. 1997 is what I'd pick but I'd tie that into sorta around the Shield's time. Shield is the perfect representation of realism with today's style . Sure it's PG but hell I often forget it. I mean there's a balance you can get and personally I haven't felt a balance like that since 1997. They made it seem as though it was all about hitting towns, tearing it up and it being an actual competition which is rarely seen. No real stupid angles from what I can remember either. I don't wanna see some feud about you and the big bad man stalking your daughter, I want to see you dudes killing dudes in the ring. That realism. Not that "Jericho puts alcohol on Punk wahaaaa that's realism" crap.
The exact opposite of what I want is this crap.
How much do you want?
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Post by Hanzo on Sept 4, 2015 17:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 17:55:57 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter to me. As long as whatever they choose to do is done well and take the more fantastical stuff they do seriously.
Like if some guy wears a duck costume the announcers should treat him as an actual duck-type thing. Not shout, "What a wacky day in WWE, there's a waddling duck on screen!!! Wakka wakka!!"
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 4, 2015 17:58:23 GMT -5
A good amount.
I would like it to be treated as a real athletic contest where both men actually look like they are in a fight and are trying to win. As long as you got that, everything else is fair game.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 4, 2015 18:00:52 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter to me. As long as whatever they choose to do is done well and take the more fantastical stuff they do seriously. Like if some guy wears a duck costume the announcers should treat him as an actual duck-type thing. Not shout, "What a wacky day in WWE, there's a waddling duck on screen!!! Wakka wakka!!" Actually, my point can be summed up by this post. I just want the show to take itself seriously, no matter how absurd the actual material is. If the show can't take itself seriously, how can I? |
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 4, 2015 18:02:18 GMT -5
One that's also completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 4, 2015 18:03:11 GMT -5
I want it as a real as it was during the late 80's when the WWF was portrayed as a sporting organisation with larger than life characters within it.
It was overblown, but structured as a competitive environment.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 4, 2015 18:18:30 GMT -5
I always treat wrestling as similar to something like the Marvel universe. You can have the realistic, gritty storylines, and then five minutes later it can be the most nonsensical thing ever. Sure, Uncle Ben dies from a bullet wound and it's a tragedy for those around him, but then Spider-Man can jump into a cartoon dimension and moan about how buildings in New York aren't only 6 windows wide.
Equally, there should be things that are treated as serious, but then it should be able to get absurd, but that's just a natural fact about the reality that WWE inhabits. If say there was a comedy segment with El Torito and Bo Dallas, the mood should shift if Brock Lesnar were to come down to the ring, and have reality ensue. But that doesn't mean that the comedy part is any less valid.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 4, 2015 18:22:36 GMT -5
I just want wins and losses to feel like they matter. Everything else is just down to taste.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 4, 2015 18:23:29 GMT -5
Just don't treat me like i'm stupid. The car crash TV style of the attitude era with birthing hands, and throwing cars of forklifts made for good TV but that fit the bill in the 90s. Right now I just want something that is compelling, NXT isn't the greatest show week to week but they do a damn good job each Takeover special in recapping the storylines and making you feel invested.
You have enough talented performers to get the serious segments it's proper attention and the comedy segments its time to give fans a breather.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Sept 4, 2015 18:29:30 GMT -5
I want people to actually believe their characters are wrestlers and not try to have it every which way. Just be what you are and do it well. New Day believes it. Kevin Owens believes it. Shinsuke Nakamura believes it. All different types from different backgrounds of wrestling, but I'll take them all ... because they believe in what they're doing.
I effing hate the "we're just trying to entertain you"'approach. Wins and losses matter and people SELL THEIR PERSONA and leave their self-aware attempts to save face at the door: that's realism enough. I can embrace someone who sucks if they just do those things.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 4, 2015 18:36:29 GMT -5
I can get lost in the world of Lucha Undergound or Chikara just as easily as I can NXT or ROH. Treat the world the or universe it exists in as real and the action and characters as a natural part of and you're golden. Don't beat me over the head with how I am watching a show where everything is made up and the matches don't matter.
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Post by Burst on Sept 4, 2015 18:47:15 GMT -5
I think Lucha Underground has a good balance right now. There's tons of mystical/fantastical stuff going on, but at no point do they say that they're NOT wrestlers or luchadores.
At the same time though, I really think there's such a thing as too-realistic in wrestling. If I want it to be 100% realistic I'll watch MMA or amateur wrestling.
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Post by LuchaBella on Sept 4, 2015 19:14:47 GMT -5
The style that I see when I watch NJPW is what I would like to see everywhere.
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Post by Ashy Larry on Sept 4, 2015 19:18:38 GMT -5
That's what is sad. NJPW's presentation imo is ahead of WWE's. When I see stuff like Joe vs Angle at LockDown, I see that as the future along with the crash TV to give it that mid 2000s UFC feel. As far as Sports Entertainment goes, I like what Lucha Underground has done to make it comic book type stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 19:24:51 GMT -5
Lucha Underground in 1 season has perfected the evolution of the business.
They immediately set there own rules within this world they built around lucha wrestling and they never deviated they got people invested because what they put out was treated absoloutley serious and that is the big point if what a company presents cannot treat its self and what they put out as serious to them why should we be invested?
I got a wrestling show where a spaceman literally flew off into the cosmos and a reincarnated dragon human that weilds nunchucks flew off in a ball of flame and I don't treat it as cartoony because they don't show it to me and then laugh like goobers at what just took place.
So in the end it is not so much what is presented more how it is presented.
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Post by Paco on Sept 4, 2015 19:26:48 GMT -5
I'm flexible but stuff like Hornswoggle painting the magic tunnel (poor Carlito) or being able to see Zack Ryder's fantasies is where I go "Nope, too far...f*** this".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 19:26:32 GMT -5
Just don't insult my intelligence. Serious, wacky, I don't care. But I would like to think I'm watching a structured sporting organization.
I believed Ted Dibiase and Bobby Heenan had something to gain by compiling the baddest faction.
I believed Vince McMahon didn't want Steve Austin to be WWF champ because it went against what he saw the company standing for. But he just couldn't get the belt off him.
I believed Undertaker and Brock just wanted to kill each other, faces/heels and titles, be damned (I haven't seen a show since Summerslam, so I'm basing this on the buildup and actual match).
I realize it's scripted but I also realize that movie I saw last night is scripted. Make me feel there is something at stake here. Don't just do something off the wall and then tell me "hey, it's just entertainment." You don't see Andrew Lincoln shooting a walker and then say "it's just CGI, folks."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 21:52:31 GMT -5
I want WWE wrestlers to deal with real-life problems, like the ones I face every day. But I would also like to see them do just the opposite, getting into far out situations involving robots and magic powers.
And also you win things for watching.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Sept 4, 2015 22:12:17 GMT -5
One other quick thing. You HAVE TO, HAVE TO, HAVE TO, HAVE TO, HAVE TO have a broadcast team that has one sole objective: put the freaking workers in the ring over! This is not E!'s The Soup. It's MUST be about the workers and NOT about your snarky oneupmansship and image as a broadcaster. Even if you kept the horrible writing that we have in some angles, the broadcast team could improve the reality of the product tenfold if they would simply. do. their. job.
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