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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 12, 2015 10:42:06 GMT -5
Am I missing anyone?
Note: I'm only including signings made AFTER a person was established on the indie scene. So no Danielson/Kendrick signings in 2000 or Christopher Daniels because those signings occurred before they made names for themselves in other promotions.
2003
Brian Kendrick, Paul London, Alexis Laree
2005
CM Punk, Brian Kendrick (again)
2007
Ace Steel, Colt Cabana, Matt Sydal
2008
Low Ki
2009
Bryan Danielson
2010
Consequences Creed, Tyler Black, Awesome Kong
2011
Mistico, Jon Moxley, Sterling James Keenan, Claudio Castagnoli
2012
Chris Hero, Brodie Lee, Sami Callihan, Sara Del Rey, PAC
2013
El Generico, Samuray del Sol
2014
Drake Younger, Prince Devitt, KENTA, Kevin Steen, Uhaa Nation
2015
Jimmy Jacobs, Samoa Joe, Adam Pearce, Kana, Sarita, Biff Busick, Rich Swann
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Post by Cyno on Sept 12, 2015 10:45:57 GMT -5
Are we really considering NOAH, CMLL, and AAA "indies" now?
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 12, 2015 10:48:54 GMT -5
Are we really considering NOAH, CMLL, and AAA "indies" now? I used indie as a general term; pretty sure you understood what I was getting at. |
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Post by Bungle on Sept 12, 2015 11:03:48 GMT -5
I don't consider a lot of names on that list "indie stars"
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 12, 2015 11:07:38 GMT -5
I don't consider a lot of names on that list "indie stars" I understand people like Prince Devitt and Mistico were not "indie" stars or that Consequences Creed was from TNA, which is not an indie. It was a quick title I made, using a general term. I didn't realize that's all people would focus on rather than answering my question. Mods can feel free to delete the thread since I misused a word and apparently caused hurt feelings. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 11:24:20 GMT -5
Indie is a term that people can define in varying ways. Some people define an indie company as any that is not WWE. At one time, people also included WCW and, later, TNA in that criteria. Whether larger puroesu or lucha companies fit in that is also a matter of opinion.
Ultimately, though, why let a label bother anyone? Why not use this thread to talk about the individuals from indie wrestling, whatever that precisely means, who made it into WWE? So what if the list is a bit suspect? Why not have fun with it?
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Post by saintpat on Sept 12, 2015 11:29:59 GMT -5
I wish it said "Brian Kendrick (again)" in each year. (g)
I think you missed PAC (Neville), who was around 2012 or so.
Amazing to think I saw Moxley (Ambrose), Brodie Lee (Luke Harper), PAC (Neville), Swann and Jacobs all on the same DGUSA show the night before WM in Atlanta (as well as Chuck Taylor, Ricochet and Aries).
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 12, 2015 11:35:36 GMT -5
Indie is a term that people can define in varying ways. Some people define an indie company as any that is not WWE. At one time, people also included WCW and, later, TNA in that criteria. Whether larger puroesu or lucha companies fit in that is also a matter of opinion. Ultimately, though, why let a label bother anyone? Why not use this thread to talk about the individuals from indie wrestling, whatever that precisely means, who made it into WWE? So what if the list is a bit suspect? Why not have fun with it? I sincerely thank you. I was hoping this could lead to discussions about things like names that could have been included on this list (Nigel, Aries, Briscoes), comparisons between before and after Triple H's influence on signings, comparisons to old-school talent raids, etc. I really didn't want to get hung up on the semantics, and I really appreciate you saying that. |
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 12, 2015 11:38:14 GMT -5
I wish it said "Brian Kendrick (again)" in each year. (g) I think you missed PAC (Neville), who was around 2012 or so. Amazing to think I saw Moxley (Ambrose), Brodie Lee (Luke Harper), PAC (Neville), Swann and Jacobs all on the same DGUSA show the night before WM in Atlanta (as well as Chuck Taylor, Ricochet and Aries). Totally missed PAC! Added him to the OP. Good catch! |
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Sept 12, 2015 11:42:54 GMT -5
Surprised that Solomon Crowe has been with the company for three years and he's nothing more than a Jobber To The NXT Stars at this point. Everyone else has had some sort of success, I mean Hero is no longer in the company, but at least he was being pushed pretty good during his time there.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 12, 2015 11:53:55 GMT -5
Gonna have to go back further than 2003 for this sort of thing. I consider the first non-territory "indie" star they signed to be Sean Waltman, who made his name in places like Global before being brought in. Alex Porteau wasn't far behind him, though Porteau turned out to be a bust once on the national level.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 12, 2015 11:56:12 GMT -5
Indie is a term that people can define in varying ways. Some people define an indie company as any that is not WWE. At one time, people also included WCW and, later, TNA in that criteria. Whether larger puroesu or lucha companies fit in that is also a matter of opinion. Ultimately, though, why let a label bother anyone? Why not use this thread to talk about the individuals from indie wrestling, whatever that precisely means, who made it into WWE? So what if the list is a bit suspect? Why not have fun with it? Well, but the definition of indie here is key to whatever discussion we can have about it. If all that's being said here is that the WWE is hiring more experienced wrestlers now, you should include people like Rhino, Goldust, Brian Kendrick, etc. If the whole point is people who got famous outside of the WWE, then why aren't we going back to when WCW people came in, or even before that? Seems kinda like this list is just "people wrestling nerds would have heard of but casual fans wouldn't have heard of." Is that the point? |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 12, 2015 12:00:03 GMT -5
And then there's the Hardy brothers, Edge and Christian, who all were making names for themselves in places like OMEGA before getting hired. Like Waltman, they had no territory experience and hadn't worked any of the "major" promotions excluding the occasional local jobber/try-out matches.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Sept 12, 2015 12:05:48 GMT -5
And then there's the Hardy brothers, Edge and Christian, who all were making names for themselves in places like OMEGA before getting hired. Like Waltman, they had no territory experience and hadn't worked any of the "major" promotions excluding the occasional local jobber/try-out matches. Being fair about OMEGA, it was pretty much a shitty, one-step-above backyard fed that the Hardys owned themselves. Also, weren't Edge and Christian big-ish deals in ECWA, which I know was THE big indy back in the days of the "big three". |
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Post by saintpat on Sept 12, 2015 12:11:08 GMT -5
I wish it said "Brian Kendrick (again)" in each year. (g) I think you missed PAC (Neville), who was around 2012 or so. Amazing to think I saw Moxley (Ambrose), Brodie Lee (Luke Harper), PAC (Neville), Swann and Jacobs all on the same DGUSA show the night before WM in Atlanta (as well as Chuck Taylor, Ricochet and Aries). ^ I think Gargano was on that show, too. Earlier that same day at an ROH show, saw Castagnoli (Cesaro, with Hero, of course) and Generlco (Zayn) as well as Cabana, Ciampa, Daniels and a host of others. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 12, 2015 12:27:47 GMT -5
And then there's the Hardy brothers, Edge and Christian, who all were making names for themselves in places like OMEGA before getting hired. Like Waltman, they had no territory experience and hadn't worked any of the "major" promotions excluding the occasional local jobber/try-out matches. Being fair about OMEGA, it was pretty much a shitty, one-step-above backyard fed that the Hardys owned themselves. Also, weren't Edge and Christian big-ish deals in ECWA, which I know was THE big indy back in the days of the "big three". Edge and Christian were pretty big deals at the time, yes, and ECWA was an indie. I qualify the Hardys because while it was just a step above backyard, they were getting a lot of attention during that time. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 12, 2015 12:29:55 GMT -5
Devon Storm was another that got a huge following on the indies before going to WWE/F the first time (during their early lightweight division days) before going to WCW as Crowbar.
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Post by Manute Bol on Sept 12, 2015 12:34:07 GMT -5
Indie is a term that people can define in varying ways. Some people define an indie company as any that is not WWE. At one time, people also included WCW and, later, TNA in that criteria. Whether larger puroesu or lucha companies fit in that is also a matter of opinion. Ultimately, though, why let a label bother anyone? Why not use this thread to talk about the individuals from indie wrestling, whatever that precisely means, who made it into WWE? So what if the list is a bit suspect? Why not have fun with it? Seems kinda like this list is just "people wrestling nerds would have heard of but casual fans wouldn't have heard of." Which is really a longer way of saying indie stars. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 12, 2015 13:08:50 GMT -5
Seems kinda like this list is just "people wrestling nerds would have heard of but casual fans wouldn't have heard of." Which is really a longer way of saying indie stars. Or legit stars in other countries. Or, to be honest, WWE stars, these days. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Sept 12, 2015 14:32:48 GMT -5
Devon Storm was another that got a huge following on the indies before going to WWE/F the first time (during their early lightweight division days) before going to WCW as Crowbar. The first I ever remember hearing about Storm was a little hype video for WCW's (entirely fictitious) Cruiserweight title tournament. They were running down a list of names of guys who were in it, and dead in the middle was "Devon Storm", and I got hyped, cause I thought the name was cool. Then....nothing. |
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