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Post by The Sam on Sept 14, 2015 20:09:52 GMT -5
"I've got my umbrella primed for a torrent of boiled piss, as I'm about to suggest Hideo Kojima is less than perfect. How could you argue otherwise, though, when you see Quiet and unveil the "secret reason" for her total ballbag visual design? So join me as we explain why the whole Quiet thing in Metal Gear Solid V is total bollock-chunder! Afterwards, I plan to drink. Drink to forget." (LANGUAGE WARNING, VISUAL WARNING) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy-FhExTY9M |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 14, 2015 20:42:33 GMT -5
I.....honestly don't really care about Quiet's outfit. It just seems par for the course in a series where I had to play as a butt naked man doing cartwheels, witnessed plenty of testicles being grabbed, stared at enough meticulously crafted man ass to last me for a lifetime, and saw boobs out in the open in pretty much every game in it.
By now I'm not fazed an ounce by titillation in a Metal Gear Solid game. It's part and parcel with the experience by this point.
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Post by JDviant on Sept 15, 2015 18:25:17 GMT -5
"But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds."
Man, we all know Kojima likes T&A no one would bother thinking this was anything new for him if he hadn't said this in defense of the character.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Sept 18, 2015 7:32:05 GMT -5
Honestly, Quiet doesn't bother me at all. If she were a real badass sniper in Afghanistan and dressed like that, the main comments would be "well that isn't practical". And yes, there is a difference because this was made by a dude, but, eh, there is worse in this damn game anyway. Spoiler time(Med platform): {Spoiler}When you find Paz in her hospital room she is wearing scrubs that have been cut down to a tube top and boy shorts. Why the hell? Plus they made her voice sound more childlike that it had previously. This is the sexuality bit that is creepy as shit to me. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 18, 2015 9:52:55 GMT -5
"But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds." Man, we all know Kojima likes T&A no one would bother thinking this was anything new for him if he hadn't said this in defense of the character. Pretty much the ashamed of your words and deeds doesn't really hold water when she does random poses for no real reason... Even if he just left it at I had the idea for a person with camouflage skin and for it to work they'd have to be near naked it'd be another thing as well... |
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 18, 2015 18:26:23 GMT -5
About time someone call him out on it.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 19, 2015 4:28:29 GMT -5
I've had to play while staring at Snake's ugly manly arse for how many games? This is getting my official "Girl who wants actual equality" approval. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Plus when you find out about exactly WHY she's like that, and also the part where she "drinks"....
I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be "yeah, you feel odd about finding her hot now, right?" |
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 19, 2015 16:25:28 GMT -5
But it doesn't though - it's just a shit excuse for loads of tits and ass.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 19, 2015 17:17:54 GMT -5
I love Jim Sterling sodamnmuch.
But yeah, the honest truth is that Kojima would get off a lot more easily with me if he hadn't told me I'd feel bad for criticizing Quiet's design. He set the bar pretty high for how he'd explain Quiet's design with that shit, and then it turns out to be just the most contrived excuse that was ever-so-clearly made up AFTER the design was made. I mean seriously, I designed a character that dressed much like Quiet... when I was a freshman in highschool.
And regarding the idea that Kojima has been titillating with male characters too, I won't deny that and Quiet existing in the context of the series at large isn't something to be ignored but...
1. Male sexualization tends to be played for HUMOR in MGS, and occasionally drama or just plain absurdity. NOT really for pure ladyboners. But the female sexualization, Quiet included, is while very occasionally used for humor/absurdity or even gameplay (the porno mags) it mostly IS for pure bonermaking. That's a faiiiirrlllyy key difference. So like "real equality" isn't really in play here since the things aren't actually equal.
2. Context. The context of the series and Kojima's work as a whole does matter, but so does the context of the games industry as a whole and the world at large. Thats what social critique is about. No creator (who wants to be taken seriously) has the license to release a game or any other sort of media into a vacuum. Trust me, as a writer I sure wish I could, that would be baller. Not have to worry about the social implications of anything I'm writing? Fantastic. But I don't, and neither does Kojima. So yeah, if Quiet was to be critiqued in a vacuum where only the rest of the Metal Gear series existed for comparison and context she would be nothing to shake a stick at and just par for the course. But she doesn't.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 19, 2015 22:49:11 GMT -5
Let's be honest the way Quiet is designed, no explanation at ALL would prevent people (at least people in the West) from complaining about it. When she was first unveiled Kojima gave the explanation more in line people would say would have been better, that he wanted to design a sexy character that people would cosplay. What happened? People bitched up a storm. So Kojima changed his tune, saying there was an actual explanation in the game that would "make you feel bad"(somehow I think Kojima was being sarcastic about this and almost no one picked up on that). And what happened? People bitched even more pretty much saying his first explanation, you know the one where everyone was already bitching at, would have been better. No matter what Kojima said he wasn't going to please people due to how she was designed.  |
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Post by Dub H on Sept 19, 2015 23:01:34 GMT -5
I don't watch Jim for a long time,don't really like him or his style,but this is at least a fun topic to discuss.
And if i can play 24 hours of looking at Old man Snake butt, a few minutes of Quiet won't hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 4:20:42 GMT -5
I've had to play while staring at Snake's ugly manly arse for how many games? This is getting my official "Girl who wants actual equality" approval. Hear, hear! And may you never run out of hot red wax with which to give that seal of approval. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 8:25:53 GMT -5
Yeah, Kojima's explanation for this was pretty lame, but I think trying to paint him as a sexist for Quiet's design is wrong. He sexualizes everyone. Look at the ridiculously homoerotic Raiden/Vamp fight from Guns of the Patriots - Raiden, a cyborg in high heels, and Vamp, a shirtless vampire, grappling and stabbing each other, Vamp licking up Raiden's white blood while murmuring into his ear "maybe you can finally finish me." He's an equal opportunity objectifier.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 21, 2015 9:44:57 GMT -5
Yeah, Kojima's explanation for this was pretty lame, but I think trying to paint him as a sexist for Quiet's design is wrong. He sexualizes everyone. Look at the ridiculously homoerotic Raiden/Vamp fight from Guns of the Patriots - Raiden, a cyborg in high heels, and Vamp, a shirtless vampire, grappling and stabbing each other, Vamp licking up Raiden's white blood while murmuring into his ear "maybe you can finally finish me." He's an equal opportunity objectifier. The best equal opportunity  |
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