ICBM
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Post by ICBM on Sept 16, 2015 7:25:34 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'll not grudge you a bit if you are genuinely offended by what he said and his subsequent efforts to explain it off. It is upon the individual to eithe. Find forgiveness for Hogan or to hold onto anger. I'll not forget what happened but I'm moving past this myself. He inspired me a tremendous amount for literally decades and though it has been difficult to accept that someone I respect and revere would make such mistakes, I have made a peace with it and I hope he gets an opportunity to atone for it. I'm still a fan but I won't forget this either
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 7:28:35 GMT -5
At some point, Hogan's gonna turn into the skid and start saying tons of awful, racist/sexist shit and pander to the people who are tired of political correctness.
It's working well for [name redacted] right now!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 7:33:24 GMT -5
He's so greedy, litigious and so sure he's in the right even when most of humanity disagrees that he had to fight this in the hope of a big cash payoff. There were people against Hogan suing Gawker?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 16, 2015 8:53:40 GMT -5
He's so greedy, litigious and so sure he's in the right even when most of humanity disagrees that he had to fight this in the hope of a big cash payoff. There were people against Hogan suing Gawker? I know I was. Suing Gawker and the Clems to stop the full tape leaking, sure, but he's suing for a big cash payout that means this is going to keep resurfacing from now until the time it's finally settled out of court for a fraction of what Hogan wants and legal fees, and has already done far more damage to his reputation than the initial leak. He's going to have a hard time proving they did that much damage to his earnings given how it was business as usual a week after the part that Gawker had leaked. Don't get me wrong, Gawker are abysmal, but this whole mess could have been avoided.
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ICBM
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Post by ICBM on Sept 16, 2015 8:56:25 GMT -5
Hey umm...just recalled that video of Vince saying "what up mah n****?" To Cena. WWE ever catch any shit about that?
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 16, 2015 8:58:43 GMT -5
Vince was a character showing how out of touch and clueless to modern society he was.
Mission accomplished... even if I thought it was in poor taste.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 16, 2015 9:05:00 GMT -5
I'm all for "forgive and forget" but my issue is more that Hogan genuinely doesn't seem like he's learned anything from this. He's too busy back-tracking and making up all these excuses instead of just shutting his mouth, politely taking his L, and learning from the experience. Quit trying to politic your way out of this, you dickhead. You're not smart enough to do it, that much is obvious.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 16, 2015 13:09:26 GMT -5
The sad thing about this all is it was completely avoidable, ignoring the obvious, not being a philandering racist, if he hadn't gone after Gawker seeking hundreds of millions in damages this never would have come to light. If he'd just fought to get all copies of the recording they'd probably have relented after a bit of a struggle, but he sued for an insane figure knowing full well how toxic his pillowtalk was, which meant a whole bunch more people would get to see that tape and he increased the odds of it leaking astronomically. He's so greedy, litigious and so sure he's in the right even when most of humanity disagrees that he had to fight this in the hope of a big cash payoff and it's made it so much worse. He would have been better off spending some of that money on a PR person, being honest and asking 'how do we control this story?', heck, he should have done that after the leak but he's still at it, still burning bridges and looking utterly unsympathetic. The thing is that the racist revelation gives him MORE ammo against Gawker in the lawsuit. Because now he can claim that them recording him cost him his job and reputation.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 16, 2015 13:22:11 GMT -5
"I only said a racist thing that one time!"
When that thing is quite literally "I am a racist", I somehow doubt that lol.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 16, 2015 13:43:55 GMT -5
The thing is that the racist revelation gives him MORE ammo against Gawker in the lawsuit. Because now he can claim that them recording him cost him his job and reputation. Gawker didn't record it, Bubba the love sponge and his ex wife did, there's no evidence that Gawker leaked the racist tirade, they may not even have had a copy of that part as there were three separate DVDs of Hogan material which they needed to sue the FBI to gain access to.
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Post by jmule on Sept 16, 2015 15:29:43 GMT -5
I'm telling you it's BOOKER T's fault!
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Post by Main Eventer on Sept 16, 2015 16:05:40 GMT -5
Hogan: "I can't believe they would let New Day hold the tag straps brother."
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 16, 2015 16:13:10 GMT -5
Hey umm...just recalled that video of Vince saying "what up mah n****?" To Cena. WWE ever catch any shit about that? Nah Part of the show. A senile old man trying to sound hip.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 16, 2015 16:28:25 GMT -5
"I was asked to replace Ice Cube in NWA brother but I refused to say the 'N' word, jack"
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 16, 2015 16:33:20 GMT -5
Part of me wishes WWE had given him the chance to deliver a tearful speech in the middle of the ring asking his Hulkamaniacs for forgiveness.
Would have been funny, especially if Bo showed up.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Sept 16, 2015 17:25:33 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar in an ESPN interview said "I don't like gays. Write that down in your little notebook. I don't like gays."
It's completely arbitrary who is punished or paid. They now praise insane bigot Ultimate Warrior as one of their favorite saint legends. I personally don't doubt Hogan when he says he's not a racist guy, but I don't know him personally. But this whole judging and exiling everybody thing feels cherrypicked and a bit nutty.
I'm sure plenty of our favorite wrestlers have some backwards views we might not like. Anyways, I personally feel a bit for Hogan in all this, even though he obviously has some problems. Not defending what he said, just the way it went how this coming out immediately ruined his career, in contrast to other things wrestlers have said, feels a bit odd.
While we could be cynics and say Hogan is lying about having changed, what if what he's saying is true? Is it not an option? I know he lies about stuff, but it feels a bit cavalier the way people condemn Hogan completely.
Also to clarify, I'm not saying being racist is just some backwards quirk to ignore. But he doesn't seem like a raving racist, and Virgil for example defended him and said he was always a friend. Just pointing out it's not a neat and clean easy thing here.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 16, 2015 17:57:25 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar in an ESPN interview said "I don't like gays. Write that down in your little notebook. I don't like gays." It's completely arbitrary who is punished or paid. They now praise insane bigot Ultimate Warrior as one of their favorite saint legends. I personally don't doubt Hogan when he says he's not a racist guy, but I don't know him personally. But this whole judging and exiling everybody thing feels cherrypicked and a bit nutty. Neither Lesnar or Warrior were with the WWE at that time so there was no danger of their comments reflecting on the company the way Hogan's would had he remained on their payroll. It may not seem fair, but the WWE needed to let him go because his comments could cost them both fans and sponsors.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Sept 16, 2015 18:02:45 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar in an ESPN interview said "I don't like gays. Write that down in your little notebook. I don't like gays." It's completely arbitrary who is punished or paid. They now praise insane bigot Ultimate Warrior as one of their favorite saint legends. I personally don't doubt Hogan when he says he's not a racist guy, but I don't know him personally. But this whole judging and exiling everybody thing feels cherrypicked and a bit nutty. Neither Lesnar or Warrior were with the WWE at that time so there was no danger of their comments reflecting on the company the way Hogan's would had he remained on their payroll. It may not seem fair, but the WWE needed to let him go because his comments could cost them both fans and sponsors. In Both Lesnar and Hogan's case, the quote is years old. What difference is there in the old Hogan quote getting press randomly, and some TMZ site randomly saying "Oh hey, WWE guy Brock Lesnar said he doesn't like gays!". Just pointing out, while unlikely that old interview would get press now, if it happened... wouldn't it be pretty much the same thing? And so it feels arbitrary how these things happen. And I'm less talking about WWE, I know they're a business, I'm talking about the fans and how they see these things. If you're completely shunning Hogan for example, why not Brock? Because it wasn't a media story lately? Where do you draw the lines? Me, I draw the line by avoiding it completely, and just knowing I don't know any of these entertainers. And just hope for the best.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 17, 2015 5:11:50 GMT -5
In Both Lesnar and Hogan's case, the quote is years old. What difference is there in the old Hogan quote getting press randomly, and some TMZ site randomly saying "Oh hey, WWE guy Brock Lesnar said he doesn't like gays!". Just pointing out, while unlikely that old interview would get press now, if it happened... wouldn't it be pretty much the same thing? And so it feels arbitrary how these things happen. And I'm less talking about WWE, I know they're a business, I'm talking about the fans and how they see these things. If you're completely shunning Hogan for example, why not Brock? Because it wasn't a media story lately? Where do you draw the lines? Me, I draw the line by avoiding it completely, and just knowing I don't know any of these entertainers. And just hope for the best. Time heals all wounds, it seems, I had written a paragraph about how Brock's comments about 'not liking gays' were phrased in a more adult way than Hogan's tirade, but having found the original article, he didn't, he went off on a hate filled rant at someone first but the reporter didn't care to report that fully, if he did transcribe it I'm sure people would be less forgiving as it would all seem more real. It would have cost ESPN or the reporter in question a lot of good will from him and the NFL so not giving the full details of his comments and the language used smacks of cowardice on their part, yes the beginning mentioned it, but the rest was an absolute puff piece on Lesnar. 11 years worth of dust had settled over the whitewash of that article and many people don't know of the rant that came before, just the 'I don't like gay people' part, like it was an off the cuff comment. As for the fans, I can't speak for anyone but myself and I could never stand Lesnar, even without the homophobia he sounds like a horrendous person based on his comments (He seemed like a prick in interviews around the time of his UFC stint) and his actions (Toward animals especially), the only time he's genuinely seemed sympathetic is when he quit because of the horrendous backstage atmosphere, and I stopped being a fan of Warrior in his third run in the WWF, he still seemed like a bit of a tool up until recent years in his youtube videos, people have stopped hating on him because he's dead, that happens with many celebrities, look how Whitney Houston suddenly became an all time great.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 17, 2015 5:21:12 GMT -5
Hey umm...just recalled that video of Vince saying "what up mah n****?" To Cena. WWE ever catch any shit about that? Nah Part of the show. A senile old man trying to sound hip. Yeah, it's not like he was calling Bobby Lashley a n***** who was a thief etc.
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