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Post by BigJerichool222 on Sept 28, 2015 1:17:15 GMT -5
So what was the real reason behind throwing Mankind in at the last minute to transition to Triple H the next night? Was it that Austin didn't want to put HHH over or was it because Jesse Ventura didn't want to raise the hand of a heel in victory? Was there ever a definitive answer?
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Post by the2ndevil on Sept 28, 2015 1:19:49 GMT -5
So what was the real reason behind throwing Mankind in at the last minute to transition to Triple H the next night? Was it that Austin didn't want to put HHH over or was it because Jesse Ventura didn't want to raise the hand of a heel in victory? Was there ever a definitive answer? I've always heard it was because Jesse was already under a lot of scrutiny for doing the show, period, so him raising the bad Guy's hand in victory would have made it a lot worse, so they allowed Mick to play the stop gap. At least Mick got a USA Today cover out of it. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 28, 2015 1:22:36 GMT -5
That buildup was pure WWF Russo. I mean, the match was still Austin v Chyna until the go-home RAW.
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Post by 4real on Sept 28, 2015 1:26:57 GMT -5
I don't ever remember there being a confirmed answer but I guess it's the Ventura one. At least I hope it is as I could understand his point of view whilst not having time for Austin's.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Sept 28, 2015 5:29:28 GMT -5
What a TRAINWRECK storyline, still amazed how 1999 made such good business with such poor stories and a mediocre-at-best (from an inring talent standpoint) roster
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 28, 2015 5:32:45 GMT -5
Didn't one of Foley's books claim that Austin's knees were hurt as well, so between Ventura taking heat for doing the match and Austin's health, they needed Foley to keep the match from falling apart?
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Post by PKO on Sept 28, 2015 6:15:59 GMT -5
The Ventura story makes sense, but I'm sure I've heard that Austin didn't want HHH to beat him...or is that just rumour?
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Post by MrElijah on Sept 28, 2015 6:28:54 GMT -5
Didn't one of Foley's books claim that Austin's knees were hurt as well, so between Ventura taking heat for doing the match and Austin's health, they needed Foley to keep the match from falling apart? What heat Ventura got? This is the first time I'm hearing about it. |
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Post by auph10imitated on Sept 28, 2015 6:32:05 GMT -5
Austin said on his podcast that if it was him not wanting to put HHH over he does not remember it, and he had no issues working with or putting HHH over at any other time so he would be suprised if that was the case, but he doesnt remember the reasoning behind it all. So while I believed that story all these years, the mix of the Ventura story and Russo being in charge makes more sense in hindsight.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 7:20:45 GMT -5
I remember Austin made an appearance on MTV around this time (some show with Carson Daly that wasn't TRL) and HHH was there as well, and while they tried to build tension for Austin and HHH, the storyline still had Chyna in the main event. It just seemed weird. Austin kept bringing up that Chyna was in the main event, too. Russoific would be an understatement.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Sept 28, 2015 7:22:12 GMT -5
This is the first match Stone Cold starting wearing two, rather than one, knee braces. This is because he injured his other knee. Because of this to make the match good, he needed another guy in there to take the pressure off him. Most of "classic anti hero" Austin always had the one knee brace  From Summerslam 1999, and then when he returned in 2000, the heel turn (with multiple colour braces) and then through to the rest of his career he had two, as he now had two bad wheels:   |
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 28, 2015 9:57:42 GMT -5
I don't buy the Austin refusing to job thing, considering he did actually job to HHH at No Mercy 1999 in the rematch. In Foley's book he said he was added because Austin was hurting and a classic singles match wasn't going to happen. He was booked to go over because Ventura thought it would be odd to raise the heel's hand at the end. The bigger question is this: Why take the title off Foley immediately? It's not like they had any serious ideas for the main event at this point, just an ill fated initial HHH push with him being bested by Chyna, then Vince, and jobbing to Big Show. It just cheapened the SS main event when Foley jobbed the next night. Give him a couple of months with the title and put it on HHH at the Rumble in 2000, then retire Foley at No Way Out.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Sept 28, 2015 10:00:49 GMT -5
Crowd reaction to the end will always be hilarious.
"YAAAaaaay?"
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 28, 2015 11:19:08 GMT -5
This is the first match Stone Cold starting wearing two, rather than one, knee braces. This is because he injured his other knee. Because of this to make the match good, he needed another guy in there to take the pressure off him. Most of "classic anti hero" Austin always had the one knee brace From Summerslam 1999, and then when he returned in 2000, the heel turn (with multiple colour braces) and then through to the rest of his career he had two, as he now had two bad wheels: Jesus, in that last pic Austin looks like an angry malfunctioning robot that's powering up. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Sept 28, 2015 12:02:41 GMT -5
Didn't one of Foley's books claim that Austin's knees were hurt as well, so between Ventura taking heat for doing the match and Austin's health, they needed Foley to keep the match from falling apart? What heat Ventura got? This is the first time I'm hearing about it. As the recently elected governor of Minnesota at the time, it was seen as him not taking his job seriously and that kind of stuff. |
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Post by Renslayer on Sept 28, 2015 12:40:12 GMT -5
What a TRAINWRECK storyline, still amazed how 1999 made such good business with such poor stories and a mediocre-at-best (from an inring talent standpoint) roster The thing about 1999 was that damn near all of their main eventers were dealing with injuries. Austin, Foley, Undertaker & some others all wrestled hurt. Also, HHH wasn't ready for the main event yet despite their best efforts. |
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Post by Woo on Sept 28, 2015 12:49:14 GMT -5
What a TRAINWRECK storyline, still amazed how 1999 made such good business with such poor stories and a mediocre-at-best (from an inring talent standpoint) roster The thing about 1999 was that damn near all of their main eventers were dealing with injuries. Austin, Foley, Undertaker & some others all wrestled hurt. Also, HHH wasn't ready for the main event yet despite their best efforts. Thankfully Russo always treated his midcard as a big deal which is one advantage 1999 has over now. |
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Post by karl100589 on Sept 28, 2015 14:27:39 GMT -5
I wondered why it was that Chyna got dropped from the Main Event altogether? I've heard rumours they gave her the choice of being made champion or doing Playboy, Austin didn't want to job to her, it all being a stunt from Russo to get TV viewers, which one is closest to the truth.
Part of me honestly wanted to see WWE go ahead and make her champion just to see what would have happened.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Sept 28, 2015 15:09:48 GMT -5
I wondered why it was that Chyna got dropped from the Main Event altogether? I've heard rumours they gave her the choice of being made champion or doing Playboy, Austin didn't want to job to her, it all being a stunt from Russo to get TV viewers, which one is closest to the truth. Part of me honestly wanted to see WWE go ahead and make her champion just to see what would have happened. No chance in hell would Vince have accepted Chyna becoming WWE champ (VinnyRu on the other hand.......). She did have a 2 month IC title run in October anyway |
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Post by BrianZane on Sept 28, 2015 15:51:21 GMT -5
So what was the real reason behind throwing Mankind in at the last minute to transition to Triple H the next night? Was it that Austin didn't want to put HHH over or was it because Jesse Ventura didn't want to raise the hand of a heel in victory? Was there ever a definitive answer? I've always heard it was because Jesse was already under a lot of scrutiny for doing the show, period, so him raising the bad Guy's hand in victory would have made it a lot worse, so they allowed Mick to play the stop gap. At least Mick got a USA Today cover out of it. Considering how little of a shit the main stream media gives about wrestling, EVEN AT THAT TIME, I have a hard time believing that him raising the heel's hand in victory was going to make a difference. It's not like Matt Lauer was going to go on air the next morning and say, "HOW COULD HE RAISE THE HAND OF THAT DASTARDLY TRIPLE H?!" As I understand it, Austin didn't want to give up the belt to Triple H, so Mankind's entry into the match was the compromise. |
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