This board after NXT:TO as opposed to after anything WWE

[Mister Pigwell]

Such a difference.
TakeOver happens and we get a tapings spoilers thread and everything is positive and fun and awesome and we all fantasy book and get excited about the future.

Then we get a Raw and it all falls to hell.

No point really and I'm not sure why I'm bringing it up, but this kind of interaction we all have afterward is one of my favorite parts of these NXT shows happening. Monday night it'll be business as usual, but dammit until then it's like a WWE Board Holiday.

[Big Poppa Pumpkin]

It does prove we are more than just a bunch of nerds complaining about everything, at least.

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

NXT tells pretty simple stories and has plenty of goodwill to go off of.

The stuff that happens on Raw? Well we appreciate the good stuff (New Day, Rusev), but it's just overwhelmed the mediorce and bad.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Nah, we're just fakin' it. Some guy proved it in another thread. We only like NXT because Vince doesn't have anything to do with it. It's a fact.

[FinalGwen]

One thing that's particularly interesting is that even with decisions that we don't agree with, the matches are so well planned that everyone looks good from them, so it's not treated as the end of the world. Pretty much everyone wanted Gable and Jordan to beat Rhyno/Corbin, but it was so well done and such a starmaking performance for Corbin and Gable alike that there's none of that deflated sense of 'well, that's it, then'.

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Oct 9, 2015 2:13:43 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

One thing that's particularly interesting is that even with decisions that we don't agree with, the matches are so well planned that everyone looks good from them, so it's not treated as the end of the world. Pretty much everyone wanted Gable and Jordan to beat Rhyno/Corbin, but it was so well done and such a starmaking performance for Corbin and Gable alike that there's none of that deflated sense of 'well, that's it, then'.

Given that they went with Joe/Balor to win the whole thing, it makes sense that they needed solid heels to actually beat in the finals. Gable and Jordan in the finals would have split the crowd, and thus would have diluted their triumphant babyface celebration.

[Mozenrath]

I think part of it is that NXT's new folks we don't get as much time to get bored with, plus they're in school. We are more patient.

WWE's got its own problems. Company f***s up a lot, sure, but not enough to make people give up. Just loudly protest they did, and yet they linger.

To be fair, most I'd imagine are either just invested enough to where actual quitting is difficult, or they change their minds, but it doesn't really help an already irritable fanbase.

[schma]

I suspect with WWE it's partly that they're the only major game left and that's why people stick around. But then I'm not able to watch regularly as I don't have cable and I can't get the network without cable here (damn Rogers). Probably helps that I miss a lot of the worst stuff and get the highlights. From what I hear though, I wish I wasn't missing out on NXT.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

When it's good, it's good

When it's not... it's usually RAW/PPV Related...

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Oct 9, 2015 2:25:24 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I think part of it is that NXT's new folks we don't get as much time to get bored with, plus they're in school. We are more patient.

WWE's got its own problems. Company f***s up a lot, sure, but not enough to make people give up. Just loudly protest they did, and yet they linger.

To be fair, most I'd imagine are either just invested enough to where actual quitting is difficult, or they change their minds, but it doesn't really help an already irritable fanbase.

Patience is one of the key things here. NXT gets an amount equally inverse to the amount WWE DOESN'T get, to the point where someone not being pushed RIGHT NOW in WWE is never going be pushed EVER. Any change that happens in WWE has to be INSTANT and WIDESPREAD, to the point of people being fired instead of just eased down the card (like with the "Divas Revolution"... How much of our fantasy booking involved just straight-up FIRING The Bella Twins, hm?).

I get that WWE haven't earned the right to patience, but we have to be realistic here. Any major change that will happen will not happen instantly.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Without NXT I think a lot of our more chill members would have left because of how negative it can get after the main shows.

I think a lot of people believe in wrestling again now because of NXT.

[Professor Chaos]

Smackdown is usually enyoyable to me. The New Day opening promo tonight was more enjoyable than any anything on RAW in recent memory.

[thelonewolf527]

In all fairness to Raw, there's been pretty decent Raw's in the past with the same kind of negativity we're seeing now when the show actually is pretty mundane and boring.

[Madagascar Fred]

Oct 9, 2015 2:40:29 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Without NXT I think a lot of our more chill members would have left because of how negative it can get after the main shows.

I think a lot of people believe in wrestling again now because of NXT.

Without NXT I'd have stopped watching wrestling altogether around fall/winter 2013 til at least now

[King Devitt]

Oct 9, 2015 2:40:29 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Without NXT I think a lot of our more chill members would have left because of how negative it can get after the main shows.

I think a lot of people believe in wrestling again now because of NXT.

This sums it up perfectly. I'm excited about watching wrestling again b/c of NXT. NJPW did it for me a few years back with Bullet Club and Nakamura, but as far as wrestling getting good again in American mainstream NXT has been a treat to watch. A show that goes out of its way to listen and reward its fans....whodathunk that'd work.....

I have two friends who won't watch any other wrestling, and have never watched wrestling before, that come over and watch NXT Specials because it's that entertaining.

[Ruthless Pessimism]

I think there's so much negativity after RAW because of all the people who said they were "done" with RAW, only to have someone come to their house and force them to come back and watch again week after week at gunpoint. I mean that's got to be what's happening, right?

[Woo]

Wrestling fans aren't a negative group of people. Wrestling fans do not like to complain at all and when the product is good they do not. Wrestling fans are no different to fans of any other TV show. When it's good they are happy and talk about the show with friends, discuss itonline, create forums and websites dedicated to it. When it's bad they complain because they want the show to improve. People complained about TNA's mistakes and told them how to improve their product and they did not listen and are in dire straits as a result. The people complaining are the people who love the WWE the most. Rather than stop watching altogether and give up like most people have their loyalty and love of the company prevents them from doing so.

The mistake the WWE have made is one of pride. They have laughed, insulted, sneered and belittled their fans for decades. Vince McMahon even created the Jamison character that was the Bushwackers manager as a joke to mock us for it. The WWE have acted like they were invincible, that they were too big to fall and have operated on the belief, despite all the evidence against it, that no matter how much they take their loyal fanbase for granted that they will still watch next week.

NXT gives the fans what they want and in return they recieve nothing but praise from the fans. That's how wrestling, actually no that's how any company, should operate.

[Bang Bang Bart]

Oct 9, 2015 3:16:27 GMT -5 Professor Chaos said:

Smackdown is usually enyoyable to me. The New Day opening promo tonight was more enjoyable than any anything on RAW in recent memory.

The only knock on SmackDown these days seems to be that it's largely treated as a "Practice Raw" where angles rarely matter and matches are often just repeated on Raw the following week.

[Bo Rida]

That's after a show featuring an unnecessary rematch in the main-event, thrown together pairings beating two established teams, a long-suffering fan favourite losing yet another big match and the continuing desecration of kayfabe's corpse.

On paper that sounds like a disaster, imagine the reaction to a main-roster show committing those offences, well you don't need to.

It just goes to show that NXT has built up a lot of trust and goodwill that the main-roster product pissed away a long time ago.
It's no wonder as they made that rematch seem like a necessary final chapter and ensured the tag-teams looked strong in defeat.
We trust that Jordan, Gable, The Mechanics and Breeze will be fine in a way we don't when Cesaro loses. We trusted Sasha vs Bayley would do something different in a way we wouldn't for a PPV headlined by Orton vs Sheamus.

[Heinz Doofenschmirtz]

I've said it before nut NXT makes me feel like I'm a teenager watching UWF (Watts). Wrestlers I like having fun matches with cool angles. The titles mean something. It's incredibly old school.