Are fans turning against Reigns again?

[Pushed to the Moon]

It seemed like they'd pretty much washed away most of the negativity around him after the Royal Rumble debacle by teaming him up with Ambrose again but these monologues they're having him do seem to be getting nothing but whats and boring chants. It might have been expected in Chicago but this week didn't seem like an especially smarky crowd. He still gets some good reactions in his matches though(although sometimes I can't tell if it's boos or they're copying his roar thing haha).

Anyone else feel kinda sorry for him? (Leaving aside all the money and fame and dream job blah blah blah) What's to be done with ol' Romeycakes?

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

They started respecting him again and then somehow people got into their head he's killing Ambrose heat or trying to feed off of it. He had a really good streak of like 6 PPV matches in a row where he was killing it and getting respect back. The fact that he hasn't really sniffed the title to much since Mania shows what direction WWE wants to go in and I believe people see it coming.

Reigns won't get his "proper respect" until he turns heel and than the eventual face turn again down the road.

[Deleted]

I think in places, but it's going to come back in full-force when they inevitably have him win the Rumble again and do the Mania chosen one thing again. Why I really figure they should just have him win the belt now since you wouldn't have that delaying the inevitable, and I don't see how him winning the title at Mania would make or break him becoming a top guy. Basically the only big names that've won their first title at Mania are Austin, Michaels, and Cena and the only one you could really argue it was key to the character was Michaels who, y'know, wasn't a success story in that role.

[Allie Kitsune]

Oct 20, 2015 18:17:59 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

They started respecting him again and then somehow people got into their head he's killing Ambrose heat or trying to feed off of it. He had a really good streak of like 6 PPV matches in a row where he was killing it and getting respect back. The fact that he hasn't really sniffed the title to much since Mania shows what direction WWE wants to go in and I believe people see it coming.

Reigns won't get his "proper respect" until he turns heel and than the eventual face turn again down the road.

And either :

A) Tells someone in creative to stop writing long-winded promos that don't fit who he is

or

B) Learns how to cut those long-winded promos that creative loves so much.

[Deleted]

Roman REigns has far too decent a car for fans to turn on him.

Have you seen it? IT'S SO DECENT!


no way

[Deleted]

The hate died down, but when they're in certain cities it's going to be there, and whenever he's about to get a big accolade, it's going to be there. Too many guys the fans chose have gotten the shaft over and over, and it's made the crowd more hostile and cynical than ever.

You notice they don't have these problems on NXT for the most part, despite their live crowds being the smarkiest of WWE fans. NXT has goodwill. The goodwill of the main roster has been pissed away.

[Gerard Gerard]

Feel like a lot of Reigns' appeal in nerfed by how the WWE seem hell-bent on having a one-size-fits-all model of a main eventer, rather than tailoring the main event around the strengths of the talent.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Oct 20, 2015 18:22:40 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Oct 20, 2015 18:17:59 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

They started respecting him again and then somehow people got into their head he's killing Ambrose heat or trying to feed off of it. He had a really good streak of like 6 PPV matches in a row where he was killing it and getting respect back. The fact that he hasn't really sniffed the title to much since Mania shows what direction WWE wants to go in and I believe people see it coming.

Reigns won't get his "proper respect" until he turns heel and than the eventual face turn again down the road.

And either :

A) Tells someone in creative to stop writing long-winded promos that don't fit who he is

or

B) Learns how to cut those long-winded promos that creative loves so much.

They keep treating rise a guy up the card and fit him into a mold which doesn't work. As we all know WWE doesn't try to hide guys weaknesses as much as possible and so they expect you to become a star just by working at it. If they keep his words short and sweet he's golden. When he does long winded promos like that it should mean something.

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Until Reigns goes heel it's going to happen every single year around this time until after WM season ends. It's going to be clockwork because the moment fans see the dude you know what they'll think? They'll think "here comes Reigns about to ascend to the Golden Boy spot once more" and then they'll boo. This week wasn't when it started again either, it happened weeks ago. It's like if they keep trying to put Luger in the main position spot year after year without understanding that you need to have him do something else before he gets respect. Reigns isn't going to keep getting better in the ring and then fans will respect him. Fans will overall respect him when he finds himself only after becoming a heel.

Someone said it best weeks ago when they compared Reigns to a guy who's a great friend who's trying to constantly get in your pants. He tries and you're like "no" and then he backs down. He starts acting like a great friend again but then he tries again and you're like "no!!" again, so on and so forth.

It won't stop until he gets a girlfriend, changes as a person and then comes back when you finally see who he truly is rather than the guy trying to get in your pants.

[Deleted]

I say this as someone who only sees Reigns as a bruiser/bodyguard type guy and not a main draw - but really they're not booing Reigns, they're booing what WWE believes is the pinnacle of wit and coolness.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Oct 20, 2015 18:24:56 GMT -5 @lovehater said:

The hate died down, but when they're in certain cities it's going to be there, and whenever he's about to get a big accolade, it's going to be there. Too many guys the fans chose have gotten the shaft over and over, and it's made the crowd more hostile and cynical than ever.

You notice they don't have these problems on NXT for the most part, despite their live crowds being the smarkiest of WWE fans. NXT has goodwill. The goodwill of the main roster has been pissed away.

NXT looks to help their guys with whatever they are doing. It is still developmental at the end of the day but guys are honing their craft and the sad part is once they get called up they won't get that same care and attention. Enzo and Cass is going to get over on their mic work alone when they get called up but I fear one smart ass in the crowd saying Enzo "can't work" and the cycle begins.

[barelybeastmode]

Oct 20, 2015 18:22:40 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Oct 20, 2015 18:17:59 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

They started respecting him again and then somehow people got into their head he's killing Ambrose heat or trying to feed off of it. He had a really good streak of like 6 PPV matches in a row where he was killing it and getting respect back. The fact that he hasn't really sniffed the title to much since Mania shows what direction WWE wants to go in and I believe people see it coming.

Reigns won't get his "proper respect" until he turns heel and than the eventual face turn again down the road.

And either :

A) Tells someone in creative to stop writing long-winded promos that don't fit who he is

or

B) Learns how to cut those long-winded promos that creative loves so much.

This so much.  I couldn't stop cringing during that phony sounding promo on Bray last night.  Short and sweet is best for Reigns.

[Woo]

It's the WWE's fault. We all said that if they pushed Reigns too fast too soon it could turn the fans against him forever like it did with Cena and it seems to have happened. They've tried to hold off on his push since Mania but for many fans the damage is already done.

If they just keep Reigns in the upper midcard for a year or two longer they might still be able to salvage him. Oddly had they waited until the Rumble next year in 2016 like most of us wanted them to do then he might have been accepted, but because they tried to rush it at this year's Rumble they might have to wait until 2017 now before the fans accept him.

[Allie Kitsune]

Oct 20, 2015 18:34:17 GMT -5 Woo said:

It's the WWE's fault. We all said that if they pushed Reigns too fast too soon it could turn the fans against him forever like it did with Cena and it seems to have happened. They've tried to hold off on his push since Mania but for many fans the damage is already done.

If they just keep Reigns in the upper midcard for a year or two longer they might still be able to salvage him. Oddly had they waited until the Rumble next year in 2016 like most of us wanted them to do then he might have been accepted, but because they tried to rush it at this year's Rumble they might have to wait until 2017 now before the fans accept him.

The problem is that WWE doesn't have enough of an Upper Midcard to really keep someone there for 2 years without them becoming stagnant and boring.

And because of the way WWE books, all it takes is 2 or 3 losses in a row, and you hit that perilous drop towards jobber-dom. You drop from Rusev/Owens level to Stardust/Barrett level.

[Woo]

Oct 20, 2015 18:56:59 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Oct 20, 2015 18:34:17 GMT -5 Woo said:

It's the WWE's fault. We all said that if they pushed Reigns too fast too soon it could turn the fans against him forever like it did with Cena and it seems to have happened. They've tried to hold off on his push since Mania but for many fans the damage is already done.

If they just keep Reigns in the upper midcard for a year or two longer they might still be able to salvage him. Oddly had they waited until the Rumble next year in 2016 like most of us wanted them to do then he might have been accepted, but because they tried to rush it at this year's Rumble they might have to wait until 2017 now before the fans accept him.

The problem is that WWE doesn't have enough of an Upper Midcard to really keep someone there for 2 years without them becoming stagnant and boring.

And because of the way WWE books, all it takes is 2 or 3 losses in a row, and you hit that perilous drop towards jobber-dom. You drop from Rusev/Owens level to Stardust/Barrett level.

Which is so true and yet silly as they have such a massive roster!


They could have him win the US title and have him feud and/or defend against Owens, Stardust, Neville, Fandango, Cesaro, Zayn, Breeze, Cena, Sheamus, Sandow, the Wyatt Family and Orton. That could at least tie him up till next year!

[Instant Classic]

Just when he talks.

[saintpat]

A year ago, I saw a lot of "RR is OK, but it's tooooo sooooooon, give him some time."

So they give him some time. He puts on some really good matches and he's given more promo opportunities -- nothing great, but IMO no worse than Daniel Bryan in his leadup to winning the big one (and they have the corpsing in common).

Now, that time rolls around again and it's back to "no, he's not ready" again.

A lot of people complain about WWE not creating new starts and are the first to do everything in their power to stop it when WWE tries ... because by "create new stars" what they really mean is "push my guy."

He's ready enough. Pull the trigger and see what happens.

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2015 19:10:34 GMT -5 saintpat said:

A year ago, I saw a lot of "RR is OK, but it's tooooo sooooooon, give him some time."

So they give him some time. He puts on some really good matches and he's given more promo opportunities -- nothing great, but IMO no worse than Daniel Bryan in his leadup to winning the big one (and they have the corpsing in common).

Now, that time rolls around again and it's back to "no, he's not ready" again.

A lot of people complain about WWE not creating new starts and are the first to do everything in their power to stop it when WWE tries ... because by "create new stars" what they really mean is "push my guy."

He's ready enough. Pull the trigger and see what happens.

It's less about time and more about how he's booked.

You can give Reigns 3 years before he gets the title but if he's booked exactly the same as he is now then don't expect all fans to all of a sudden be on board.

[andrew8798]

Oct 20, 2015 19:02:59 GMT -5 Woo said:

Oct 20, 2015 18:56:59 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

The problem is that WWE doesn't have enough of an Upper Midcard to really keep someone there for 2 years without them becoming stagnant and boring.

And because of the way WWE books, all it takes is 2 or 3 losses in a row, and you hit that perilous drop towards jobber-dom. You drop from Rusev/Owens level to Stardust/Barrett level.

Which is so true and yet silly as they have such a massive roster!


They could have him win the US title and have him feud and/or defend against Owens, Stardust, Neville, Fandango, Cesaro, Zayn, Breeze, Cena, Sheamus, Sandow, the Wyatt Family and Orton. That could at least tie him up till next year!

People would still be bitching if he would beat Owens or Cesaro

[andrew8798]

Oct 20, 2015 19:12:52 GMT -5 @kn said:

Oct 20, 2015 19:10:34 GMT -5 saintpat said:

A year ago, I saw a lot of "RR is OK, but it's tooooo sooooooon, give him some time."

So they give him some time. He puts on some really good matches and he's given more promo opportunities -- nothing great, but IMO no worse than Daniel Bryan in his leadup to winning the big one (and they have the corpsing in common).

Now, that time rolls around again and it's back to "no, he's not ready" again.

A lot of people complain about WWE not creating new starts and are the first to do everything in their power to stop it when WWE tries ... because by "create new stars" what they really mean is "push my guy."

He's ready enough. Pull the trigger and see what happens.

It's less about time and more about how he's booked.

You can give Reigns 3 years before he gets the title but if he's booked exactly the same as he is now then don't expect all fans to all of a sudden be on board.

Bryan had a good point just let him beat people him doing jobs for Show/Kane or Rollins not going to help him