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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 30, 2015 13:36:50 GMT -5
Dean still has his weakness he's had since the indies: his offense tends to be sloppy and never really kicks it up a notch. He doesn't have that extra gear guys like Daniel Bryan have. Funny enough, Roman is gaining one.
Dean's a way better seller/bumper though, that's never been a problem for him.
Roman has been more entertaining in the ring for me for a while now. But Dean is better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 13:53:46 GMT -5
easily Dean. No question about it.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 30, 2015 14:05:32 GMT -5
The rebound clothesline needs to have a limit put on it.
Great move, but feels forced as all hell these days
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 30, 2015 14:18:19 GMT -5
Probably Reigns. I'd say Reigns is better in the big matches and shines in tags. Ambrose has a more solid base line, he doesn't seem to reach the same heights but the chances are he'll have the better bog standard Raw singles match.
I think Ambrose is at his best when he gives the impression he's lost in the moment and is making things up as he goes along, unfortunately a lot of his current offence negates that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 14:46:58 GMT -5
Probably Reigns. I'd say Reigns is better in the big matches and shines in tags. Ambrose has a more solid base line, he doesn't seem to reach the same heights but the chances are he'll have the better bog standard Raw singles match. I think Ambrose is at his best when he gives the impression he's lost in the moment and is making things up as he goes along, unfortunately a lot of his current offence negates that. Yeah, Ambrose's offensive style seems so opposed to his supposedly reckless unhinged attitude. It's very tidy and workmanlike, I do this then I do this then I do this then I do this, and he ends up doing 5 spots in a minute, and takes these spots that should be once in a while things (rebound lariat, funky diving elbow to standing opponent) and makes them every match things.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 30, 2015 14:57:42 GMT -5
he ends up doing 5 spots in a minute, and takes these spots that should be once in a while things (rebound lariat, funky diving elbow to standing opponent) and makes them every match things. That's probably not his doing as it is a very WWE thing that everyone has their specific spots that they do. Reigns almost always does the running dropkick on the outside, Bryan would do the corner flip over, like 20 people have a plancha or a suicide dive... like every spot you think of when you think of a Ric Flair match... etc. Because it's their spots and they want people to be conditioned to pop for them...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 15:04:49 GMT -5
he ends up doing 5 spots in a minute, and takes these spots that should be once in a while things (rebound lariat, funky diving elbow to standing opponent) and makes them every match things. That's probably not his doing as it is a very WWE thing that everyone has their specific spots that they do. Reigns almost always does the running dropkick on the outside, Bryan would do the corner flip over, like 20 people have a plancha or a suicide dive... like every spot you think of when you think of a Ric Flair match... etc. Because it's their spots and they want people to be conditioned to pop for them... I know that, but it's not really what I meant. Everyone's got their routine, but Ambrose does so many spots in such a short time frame, like he's rushing through them. I know it's likely WWE's doing, probably their way of making him seem more frantic and unhinged, but to me it has the opposite effect and it's he's checking off a to-do list. The way Reigns' spots are paced works a lot better, and I think it gives fans more chance to react.
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Post by superchamp on Oct 30, 2015 15:14:56 GMT -5
There's not much in it, but I'd still give the nod to Ambrose. Reigns has been better this year but I'd put that down to being given more opportunities. I'm sure Ambrose would have very good matches with Brock and Bryan too. Granted, a lot of my favourite Reigns matches are with people who Ambrose hasn't wrestled - but Reigns matches with Wyatt have been significantly better than Ambrose's. I agree there's definitely not much in it, but I'd give the nod to Reigns for this reason.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Oct 30, 2015 15:21:22 GMT -5
There's not much in it, but I'd still give the nod to Ambrose. Reigns has been better this year but I'd put that down to being given more opportunities. I'm sure Ambrose would have very good matches with Brock and Bryan too. Granted, a lot of my favourite Reigns matches are with people who Ambrose hasn't wrestled - but Reigns matches with Wyatt have been significantly better than Ambrose's. I agree there's definitely not much in it, but I'd give the nod to Reigns for this reason. Eh, I didn't think they were anything special. Both Ambrose and Reigns' matches with Wyatt were decent but ultimately forgettable.
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Post by superchamp on Oct 30, 2015 15:27:32 GMT -5
Granted, a lot of my favourite Reigns matches are with people who Ambrose hasn't wrestled - but Reigns matches with Wyatt have been significantly better than Ambrose's. I agree there's definitely not much in it, but I'd give the nod to Reigns for this reason. Eh, I didn't think they were anything special. Both Ambrose and Reigns' matches with Wyatt were decent but ultimately forgettable. I really liked Reigns' match with Wyatt at the PPV (can't remember which one, there's too damn many) which Harper interfered in, and their recent Hell in a Cell. Ambrose's matches with him nothing particularly stands out, other than the shitty finishes - which isn't their fault. But I still think without the finishes I didn't find any of their matches engaging at all. Thinking about it, I can reel off a few Reigns matches that I thought were pretty awesome - I can't think of a single Ambrose match that I can say the same for. All largely forgettable. And in terms of being given the opportunity to put on a decent match, they're both pretty much equal in that regard. Ambrose wrestled Rollins in a Hell in a Cell and a Ladder match headlining two different PPVs, and neither of those matches were anything I thought was particularly great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 15:41:35 GMT -5
Eh, I didn't think they were anything special. Both Ambrose and Reigns' matches with Wyatt were decent but ultimately forgettable. I really liked Reigns' match with Wyatt at the PPV (can't remember which one, there's too damn many) which Harper interfered in, and their recent Hell in a Cell. Ambrose's matches with him nothing particularly stands out, other than the shitty finishes - which isn't their fault. But I still think without the finishes I didn't find any of their matches engaging at all. Thinking about it, I can reel off a few Reigns matches that I thought were pretty awesome - I can't think of a single Ambrose match that I can say the same for. All largely forgettable. And in terms of being given the opportunity to put on a decent match, they're both pretty much equal in that regard. Ambrose wrestled Rollins in a Hell in a Cell and a Ladder match headlining two different PPVs, and neither of those matches were anything I thought was particularly great. The ladder match with Seth was great, I'd say better than any of Reigns' PPV matches this year. But I think I'm in the minority on that. And the lumberjack match he had with Seth was a true spectacle. They're sort of opposite to me, in that I like Dean more in gimmick matches and Reigns more in normal matches, for the most part. Dean's had some really good straight up matches with Rollins as well though.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 30, 2015 15:45:25 GMT -5
Ambrose had two great match with rollins,one being hell in a cell and a good ladder match with rollins too.
Everything else he had was filler ,Reigns has been given all "Big Matches" feels.
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Post by superchamp on Oct 30, 2015 16:18:54 GMT -5
I really liked Reigns' match with Wyatt at the PPV (can't remember which one, there's too damn many) which Harper interfered in, and their recent Hell in a Cell. Ambrose's matches with him nothing particularly stands out, other than the shitty finishes - which isn't their fault. But I still think without the finishes I didn't find any of their matches engaging at all. Thinking about it, I can reel off a few Reigns matches that I thought were pretty awesome - I can't think of a single Ambrose match that I can say the same for. All largely forgettable. And in terms of being given the opportunity to put on a decent match, they're both pretty much equal in that regard. Ambrose wrestled Rollins in a Hell in a Cell and a Ladder match headlining two different PPVs, and neither of those matches were anything I thought was particularly great. The ladder match with Seth was great, I'd say better than any of Reigns' PPV matches this year. But I think I'm in the minority on that. And the lumberjack match he had with Seth was a true spectacle. They're sort of opposite to me, in that I like Dean more in gimmick matches and Reigns more in normal matches, for the most part. Dean's had some really good straight up matches with Rollins as well though. The Lumberjack match was really good actually, I forgot about that
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Post by AwamoriRock on Oct 30, 2015 16:51:44 GMT -5
I'm sure Dean is technically better in some way but I find Reigns more fun to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 17:14:13 GMT -5
Ambrose by a country mile.
Reigns has improved, but if you watch his match with Owens on SD yesterday you can see he's still having issues with generally putting a match together - nothing major, but just the nuances that Dean has already picked up.
Reigns has a weak kickout that looks super fake and he doesn't quite have that ability to remain "in the moment" during the match. There are times where he as an expression on his face that makes it look he's either lost or thinking really hard what to do next in the match. Like with Batista - these things will come after another few years in the business.
Reigns is a good replacement for Batista - and once he ratchets up the "Bruh-man Reigns" aspect of his character he'll become a guy you love to hate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 17:26:06 GMT -5
Something else about an Ambrose match compared to a Reigns one. With Ambrose, when he's in peril I can see it, he actually looks as though he's on his last leg. When he makes a comeback it looks like a "real comeback" and by that I mean he looks to have gained a second wind and he's hitting the opponent with all he's got, he was about to die but all of a sudden he enters "fight or flight" mode, you know, a last ditch effort. With Reigns I don't get that. I never really get the idea that he's on his last legs nor do I think of his comeback as a legit comeback. It just looks as though he's in the motions revving up for the end. Part of it could be because of their booking but another part of it is because of psychology.
With that said, if Reigns turned heel and went on the offensive, say he played up the "alpha male, head of the table, chosen one" aspect of his character, I could see it working out better in that case. It's just really hard to root for a babyface when they're supposed to be in peril and you can't really feel that peril. They either have to cut that out of his character and make him more of a Goldberg or somehow tear down his "I'm that dude, I'm a monster and you know it" side of his character and make him more believable to be in trouble during a match.
Just something I've noticed.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 30, 2015 17:54:48 GMT -5
I like Reigns' moveset more, and I like that he tends to be more hard-hitting, especially in there with hard-hitting opponents.
But Dean is so much easier to build sympathy for during the course of a match.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 30, 2015 18:47:13 GMT -5
I really never thought Ambrose was that good even back on the indies.
Reigns this year has had some club bangers.
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Post by Clawley Race on Oct 30, 2015 21:46:35 GMT -5
I think I've liked more Reigns matches, but I think that people are trying their best to make Roman look good (and strong) while Dean is just having normal matches.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Oct 30, 2015 22:46:39 GMT -5
The people who say it's Dean without question are fans of the guys or/and haters of the other. Yes there is "question" because Reigns improved a lot and Dean not so much even if he was the better man when they debuted. 2 years ago, yes Dean. 1 year ago...Dean. Now? Hard to say.
I would be more excited to see matches between Reigns and Cesaro, Rusev or Owens for exemple. So to me it's Roman.
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