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Post by CM Parish on Nov 12, 2015 19:37:28 GMT -5
i'm assuming the network exclusive brock house shows did good numbers Pretty sure both house shows with him on have sold out, and any more with him on will sell out too.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 12, 2015 20:13:43 GMT -5
Sold out and most viewed on the network
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Post by lemonyellowson on Nov 12, 2015 20:25:26 GMT -5
There are people on here saying Brock working more dates is a bad thing?? Come on now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 20:28:54 GMT -5
RAW renamed to Monday Night Lesnar brought to you by Jimmy Johns.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 12, 2015 20:37:41 GMT -5
There are people on here saying Brock working more dates is a bad thing?? Come on now. Yes. I want to see new talents being pushed, not see WWE continue time and again to rely on the established old guard.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 12, 2015 20:37:20 GMT -5
New stars, Shnew stars; all hail Brock.
Dude was gone for YEARS, and is legitimately the most exciting guy they've got. Gimme more o' that please.
Him being around doesn't exclude them building guys at all; and as was mentioned, he's a once in a lifetime talent.
Whether he's there or not, your lower card guys aren't getting screen time anyway, so I can't begin to feel badly about dudes that have one one hundredth of his talent not somehow getting make believe hypothetical screen time they'd never garner even if he wasn't around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 20:43:11 GMT -5
WWE in a nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 20:45:03 GMT -5
There are people on here saying Brock working more dates is a bad thing?? Come on now. I enjoy his work, but my big issue with Lesnar is how all logic of the show just completely drops when he's around and they constantly have to awkwardly shoehorn in reasons both for him to show up and for him to leave. Like his title reign, it was godawful because he just vanished for months at a time, they threw out all normal wrestling logic (like just loudly screeching about how he was going to WrestleMania on him retaining at the Rumble, like having to defend the title in between wasn't even a slight possibility), and he barely actually did anything. And I'm just sick to death of part-timers in general. If he was the only one, fine, but having to deal with the parade of him, Triple H, Taker, Jericho, RVD, Rock when he feels like it, Sting, and whoever else has just made me hate all of them at this point.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 12, 2015 20:51:36 GMT -5
New stars, Shnew stars; all hail Brock. Dude was gone for YEARS, and is legitimately the most exciting guy they've got. Gimme more o' that please. Him being around doesn't exclude them building guys at all; and as was mentioned, he's a once in a lifetime talent. Whether he's there or not, your lower card guys aren't getting screen time anyway, so I can't begin to feel badly about dudes that have one one hundredth of his talent not somehow getting make believe hypothetical screen time they'd never garner even if he wasn't around. But it does keep them from building new guys. Right now WWE has such a void in talent that they have to fill the TV time that WOULD HAVE gone to Cena, Orton, Rollins etc. with SOMETHING. Just let guys like Reigns, Ambrose and Wyatt, have the top spots by default. Let every other featured guy get their normal spots, and then fill the gaps in as needed. Look, no one here is saying that a random lowercard guy could get rocket pushed to the Main Event if Brock weren't around. BUT, if WWE weren't overrelying on Brock, then maybe guys like Owens, Ziggler, and Ryback can have those main event spots instead of hanging around the upper mid-card, then guys in the mid card like Miz, Barrett, Cody and Neville can move into the upper mid card, guys who should be mid card at best won't be slumming it on the C-shows, and guys who are at the very lest good enough to be on the C-shows every other week can actually get some kind of TV time. Brock's presence just creates a trickle down effect that hurts everyone because everyone who SHOULD be higher than they are is instead forced to take a spot from someone directly under them.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 12, 2015 20:52:53 GMT -5
Can Brock possibly lift the mass of humanity that is the Big Show?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 12, 2015 21:12:32 GMT -5
New stars, Shnew stars; all hail Brock. Dude was gone for YEARS, and is legitimately the most exciting guy they've got. Gimme more o' that please. Him being around doesn't exclude them building guys at all; and as was mentioned, he's a once in a lifetime talent. Whether he's there or not, your lower card guys aren't getting screen time anyway, so I can't begin to feel badly about dudes that have one one hundredth of his talent not somehow getting make believe hypothetical screen time they'd never garner even if he wasn't around. But it does keep them from building new guys. Right now WWE has such a void in talent that they have to fill the TV time that WOULD HAVE gone to Cena, Orton, Rollins etc. with SOMETHING. Just let guys like Reigns, Ambrose and Wyatt, have the top spots by default. Let every other featured guy get their normal spots, and then fill the gaps in as needed. Look, no one here is saying that a random lowercard guy could get rocket pushed to the Main Event if Brock weren't around. BUT, if WWE weren't overrelying on Brock, then maybe guys like Owens, Ziggler, and Ryback can have those main event spots instead of hanging around the upper mid-card, then guys in the mid card like Miz, Barrett, Cody and Neville can move into the upper mid card, guys who should be mid card at best won't be slumming it on the C-shows, and guys who are at the very lest good enough to be on the C-shows every other week can actually get some kind of TV time. Brock's presence just creates a trickle down effect that hurts everyone because everyone who SHOULD be higher than they are is instead forced to take a spot from someone directly under them. I disagree with your entire premise. We'll just leave it at that. And regardless, I'm a Brock mark. Even if I thought your assertion was true, and I don't, I wouldn't care that much as a huge Brock fan.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 12, 2015 21:16:49 GMT -5
So basically, they're doing all they can to avoid having to push new talent. Rollins and Reigns are new talent who are getting pushed. Ambrose is likely going into the main event with them soon, heel or face. And depending what happens with Undertaker, Wyatt may get there behind him. You're arguments are null and void.
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Post by Stu on Nov 12, 2015 21:29:59 GMT -5
New stars, Shnew stars; all hail Brock. Dude was gone for YEARS, and is legitimately the most exciting guy they've got. Gimme more o' that please. Him being around doesn't exclude them building guys at all; and as was mentioned, he's a once in a lifetime talent. Whether he's there or not, your lower card guys aren't getting screen time anyway, so I can't begin to feel badly about dudes that have one one hundredth of his talent not somehow getting make believe hypothetical screen time they'd never garner even if he wasn't around. But it does keep them from building new guys. Right now WWE has such a void in talent that they have to fill the TV time that WOULD HAVE gone to Cena, Orton, Rollins etc. with SOMETHING. Just let guys like Reigns, Ambrose and Wyatt, have the top spots by default. Let every other featured guy get their normal spots, and then fill the gaps in as needed. Look, no one here is saying that a random lowercard guy could get rocket pushed to the Main Event if Brock weren't around. BUT, if WWE weren't overrelying on Brock, then maybe guys like Owens, Ziggler, and Ryback can have those main event spots instead of hanging around the upper mid-card, then guys in the mid card like Miz, Barrett, Cody and Neville can move into the upper mid card, guys who should be mid card at best won't be slumming it on the C-shows, and guys who are at the very lest good enough to be on the C-shows every other week can actually get some kind of TV time. Brock's presence just creates a trickle down effect that hurts everyone because everyone who SHOULD be higher than they are is instead forced to take a spot from someone directly under them. Dude, you've been going on forever about pushing new talent and junk. Just give it a rest
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 12, 2015 21:37:34 GMT -5
So basically, they're doing all they can to avoid having to push new talent. Like them or not, Rollins and Reigns are new talent who are getting pushed. I like Rollins for the most part and I would like to like Reigns if WWE didn't make that so difficult. But there are so many guys who could stand to be better off than they are, yet aren't because WWE stubbornly chooses to cling to the stars of the Attitude/RA Eras. The Shield and Wyatt are the only "millenials" that Vince likes, while everyone else is largely ignored. Maybe Reigns' "chosen one" status would be easier for some to accept if others were getting the chance to shine as well.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 12, 2015 21:42:09 GMT -5
People still would bitch
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 12, 2015 21:43:14 GMT -5
Like them or not, Rollins and Reigns are new talent who are getting pushed. I like Rollins for the most part and I would like to like Reigns if WWE didn't make that so difficult. But there are so many guys who could stand to be better off than they are, yet aren't because WWE stubbornly chooses to cling to the stars of the Attitude/RA Eras. The Shield and Wyatt are the only "millenials" that Vince likes, while everyone else is largely ignored. Maybe Reigns' "chosen one" status would be easier for people to accept if others were getting the chance to shine as well. The Shield and Wyatts are new talent and each of them deserve to be in the main event. Reigns has spent most of this year in the midcard. He's not being forced into the main event this time. They can do just fine with The Shield and Wyatts. If not and ratings are still down, then Ryback and others can get a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 21:53:27 GMT -5
I really don't care if people like Brock or think he deserves being pushed more with additional dates. That's personal preference which you're entitled to. What's a true fact that can't be disputed is that Brock is a part-timer and Brock does take up a spot to be used for other talent. You can bring Ambrose up to fill his spot, Owens, Cesaro, anybody that's lower can be brought up to fill whatever spot Brock's going to fill and it makes a new guy look better as a result. This company has an issue with building talent and when problems arise they always go back to the established guys to help with it rather than building guys up.
This isn't even about "well you have those other guys doing stuff and they're new" because at the end of the day you have Ambrose not really doing a thing, Owens, Cesaro, Ziggler even, these guys are guys who need to move up and are more than just being stranded in their current role.
Finally I'll say this, if after this tournament Ambrose is still in his current role with Rollins, Cena, Orton and Bryan out and they bring Brock back early? That's a major problem at the end of the day no matter how you cut it and the perfect example of not using a guy who not only has the connections in the storylines to move up, but also a guy who's had over a handful of main event matches this past year who needs something to do. Ambrose, besides Rollins, has literally main evented more ppvs this past year than anyone else and a guy like that still might be in his same current position for some reason? If people don't see this issue or if they try to look over it as "well it's just Brock" I don't know what to tell them.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 12, 2015 22:41:57 GMT -5
He's altering the deal. Pray he doesn't alter it any further. This deal is getting worse all the time.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 12, 2015 22:47:44 GMT -5
Thanks to this thread (for reasons I am not sure of) I now have Walk stuck in my head only with Bork replacing Walk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 0:01:46 GMT -5
I really don't care if people like Brock or think he deserves being pushed more with additional dates. That's personal preference which you're entitled to. What's a true fact that can't be disputed is that Brock is a part-timer and Brock does take up a spot to be used for other talent. You can bring Ambrose up to fill his spot, Owens, Cesaro, anybody that's lower can be brought up to fill whatever spot Brock's going to fill and it makes a new guy look better as a result. This company has an issue with building talent and when problems arise they always go back to the established guys to help with it rather than building guys up. This isn't even about "well you have those other guys doing stuff and they're new" because at the end of the day you have Ambrose not really doing a thing, Owens, Cesaro, Ziggler even, these guys are guys who need to move up and are more than just being stranded in their current role. Finally I'll say this, if after this tournament Ambrose is still in his current role with Rollins, Cena, Orton and Bryan out and they bring Brock back early? That's a major problem at the end of the day no matter how you cut it and the perfect example of not using a guy who not only has the connections in the storylines to move up, but also a guy who's had over a handful of main event matches this past year who needs something to do. Ambrose, besides Rollins, has literally main evented more ppvs this past year than anyone else and a guy like that still might be in his same current position for some reason? If people don't see this issue or if they try to look over it as "well it's just Brock" I don't know what to tell them. Agreed with this. It does take a spot, and having him in the reserve takes away some the urgency to build new stars. However, Brock's worth it. He's the only guy that is worth it in that whole crop of guys who work that kind of schedule. The problem isn't having a guy who works limited dates but gives you big matches and star power, the problem is having so many of them. In my view, it should be Brock, and only Brock, in that position.
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