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Post by foxylady79 on Nov 13, 2015 0:16:45 GMT -5
Time for the part-time hoss to run over the roster again? Maybe he'll even add a third move to his stunning suplex-F5-repeat ad nausem ***** matches-won't that be exciting!
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Post by schma on Nov 13, 2015 1:41:20 GMT -5
If they'd done this when he had the belt I'd maybe be more excited. I really didn't like his reign since most of the time I forgot who was champ. Hopefully they don't give him the belt again. I get that he's a once in a generation and a monster and all that but if they aren't using him to elevate talent, I can't be all that excited for him to be around more. Given the current situation, this would be the perfect time to build some guys up and give them the ball to see how they do.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Nov 13, 2015 3:36:25 GMT -5
Time for the part-time hoss to run over the roster again? Maybe he'll even add a third move to his stunning suplex-F5-repeat ad nausem ***** matches-won't that be exciting! Wow you have some vendetta against Lesnar.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 13, 2015 8:13:27 GMT -5
And they're continuing along the WCW/TNA path, throwing money at part timers because of their mostly theoretical starpower rather than taking a chance on people there for the long haul. They're paying more to stay exactly where they are and it's not working. But once upon a time it worked in WCW cause they were so successful that they didn't mind throwing money at Hall and Nash for example. It's when you do badly and you do that, when you're desperate that it can be dangerous. Like around late 99, when WCW was in the do-do and they begged Hogan to come back after the Russo fiasco. Hogan was such in a position of force that he asked the moon and got it. And it never did anything for them going forward. As for TNA, it was strategic. They paid nobody big money other than guys like Hogan, Sting and Angle and half the salary was paid by Spike. When you're small potatoes, it's not a horrible idea to spend a little money for one markee name.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 13, 2015 8:36:03 GMT -5
And they're continuing along the WCW/TNA path, throwing money at part timers because of their mostly theoretical starpower rather than taking a chance on people there for the long haul. They're paying more to stay exactly where they are and it's not working. But once upon a time it worked in WCW cause they were so successful that they didn't mind throwing money at Hall and Nash for example. It's when you do badly and you do that, when you're desperate that it can be dangerous. Like around late 99, when WCW was in the do-do and they begged Hogan to come back after the Russo fiasco. Hogan was such in a position of force that he asked the moon and got it. And it never did anything for them going forward. As for TNA, it was strategic. They paid nobody big money other than guys like Hogan, Sting and Angle and half the salary was paid by Spike. When you're small potatoes, it's not a horrible idea to spend a little money for one markee name. The 'half their salaries being paid by Spike' thing was untrue, Spike asked TNA to get big names and TNA did so on their own dime, which is why they went from making a profit to hemorrhaging money when Hogan, Bischoff and co came to town.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 13, 2015 8:47:36 GMT -5
But once upon a time it worked in WCW cause they were so successful that they didn't mind throwing money at Hall and Nash for example. It's when you do badly and you do that, when you're desperate that it can be dangerous. Like around late 99, when WCW was in the do-do and they begged Hogan to come back after the Russo fiasco. Hogan was such in a position of force that he asked the moon and got it. And it never did anything for them going forward. As for TNA, it was strategic. They paid nobody big money other than guys like Hogan, Sting and Angle and half the salary was paid by Spike. When you're small potatoes, it's not a horrible idea to spend a little money for one markee name. The 'half their salaries being paid by Spike' thing was untrue, Spike asked TNA to get big names and TNA did so on their own dime, which is why they went from making a profit to hemorrhaging money when Hogan, Bischoff and co came to town. But why weren't they hemorrhaging money when they had Nash, Sting, Angle, Booker, Steiner, etc...? I mean that's a lot of salaries there. That being said my example was more about Sting and Angle and Christian that to me were good investements for a small company. (while it was mistake for the others they got for sure)
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 13, 2015 8:58:00 GMT -5
The 'half their salaries being paid by Spike' thing was untrue, Spike asked TNA to get big names and TNA did so on their own dime, which is why they went from making a profit to hemorrhaging money when Hogan, Bischoff and co came to town. But why weren't they hemorrhaging money when they had Nash, Sting, Angle, Booker, Steiner, etc...? I mean that's a lot of salaries there. That being said my example was more about Sting and Angle and Christian that to me were good investements for a small company. (while it was mistake for the others they got for sure) They were, but they had righted the ship, they finally had enough broadcast deals that they were making money only for it all to come apart when they hired the entire Hulkamania tour. Angle and Christian were both great investments but they quickly got into the situation that the WWE are in now, where they assume because those guys moved the needle a little if they keep doing the same thing and splashing the cash they'll climb ever higher when it doesn't work like hat, shock debuts stop being shocking and the big name talents they're paying for get stale fast and they're paying more and more to stay right where they are.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 13, 2015 10:31:06 GMT -5
What WWE should do is take this opportunity and have newer guys work with Brock, and thus elevating them. Win or lose, a strong performance with Brock can only be viewed as a good thing. But they likely won't, cause they are dumb like that.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Nov 13, 2015 10:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Nov 13, 2015 11:25:06 GMT -5
What WWE should do is take this opportunity and have newer guys work with Brock, and thus elevating them. Win or lose, a strong performance with Brock can only be viewed as a good thing. But they likely won't, cause they are dumb like that. This, this, this, 1000000000000000000000x this. Brock doesn't care about wins and losses--dude just wants to make money. The idea that Brock wouldn't be willing to put over some younger, fresher guys seems off to me. The more Bork, the better, I say.
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Post by Gremlin on Nov 13, 2015 11:44:27 GMT -5
I wish Michael Cole getting F5'd out of his shoes was a weekly segment. Worth every penny of that salary.
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Post by Regal Stretch on Nov 13, 2015 11:59:12 GMT -5
WWE's greatest period involved taking a chance on repackaging and taking a chance on The Ringmaster, Rocky Maivia, Hunter Hearst Helmsley etc. For shits and giggles, would it not make sense to try and replicate this method rather than the one that sunk WCW?
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 13, 2015 12:27:22 GMT -5
Good, they need some high profile names right now. They have high profile talent. They need to use it. They have so many guys who should be main eventing slumming it in the upper midcard. And it's negatively affecting the entire roster because everyone is forced to take a spot from someone directly below them. Let Ambrose, Reigns or whoever be the top talents so that everyone under them can have a chance to move up as well Who would Brock even feud with with all those increased dates? It's obvious they don't see anyone as "worthy" of working with Brock unless it's a squash match. I'd argue that Rusev, Samoa Joe and to a lesser extent, Kevin Owens, could all be worthy challengers to Bork. They don't have to beat him and if booked right, will go over even more, even with a loss. But...who knows?
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 13, 2015 12:30:15 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar is a once in a generation talent, there's no reason for the WWE not to sign him for more dates if he's up for it. Some of us need to take a step back and enjoy Brock's run for what it is, because once he's gone there will likely never be another wrestler with the size, strength, agility, believability, and wrestling ability that Brock has. Brock has ended the streak and squashed John Cena, so I'd laugh my ass off if he had to sell for and make 90% of the mid-card guys look good. Off hand the only ones that I could believe as going toe to toe would be Rusev, Cesaro, maybe Owens, Ambrose in a never say die type deal, and Reigns(wherever he falls in the pecking order these days)probably a few others that I forgot but still. Moral of the story don't blame Brock being around for not building up new stars, blame the WWE for not building up anyone during his absences. Does he have a son? Any chance he's a wrestler? If so, Bork can be surpassed.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Nov 13, 2015 19:32:33 GMT -5
There are people on here saying Brock working more dates is a bad thing?? Come on now. Yes. I want to see new talents being pushed, not see WWE continue time and again to rely on the established old guard. When the established old guard in this case is a one of a kind, legit uber-athlete, who has amazing matches and didn't even have a long initial run.... He was around what two - three years before he left, I can't see how it is possibly an issue. He is fresher on wwe to than most guys. Who of the new guys can go like lesnar, draw like lesnar and bring as much legitimacy as lesnar? None. Every wrestling fan on the planet should be glad he is sticking about as he is a one off, the likes of which will never be seen again and there is not one young guy coming through that brings as much to the table as lesnar does.
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Post by knightboat on Nov 13, 2015 19:41:33 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on Lesnar. Is he part time? Yes, but is he a part timer who shows up multiple times a year? Yes. Who's a better part timer? The Rock? Most entertaining man in all of entertainment but at most he's going to show up twice a year. Even look at someone who's not a "part timer" Triple H. How many matches does he work a year? One? Two? Lesnar is more full time wrestler than that. Also it may be the mark coming out in me, but I love Lesnar. He was a main eventer who didn't wear out his welcome due to him leaving. Also he's a dude who legit could kill anyone on the roster, and 99.99999% of people in the world. He was a damn UFC heavyweight champion. Watching him is like watching someone like Andre The Giant back in the day. He's an attraction. He spikes ratings and buys. Should the WWE push new people? Obviously they should, but if they haven't for the past few years, do you really think that Lesnar is the problem? They could have created 20 new stars before Lesnar ever came back and they passed. Lesnar isn't the reason they pass on pushing people. If Lesnar wasn't here, Cena wouldn't have taken a break and would be a part of 6 segments a week. It's not Lesnar's fault, it's the writing and booking team's fault that when two guys go out they are trying to figure out how to book a main event.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 14, 2015 12:41:24 GMT -5
I will never get sick of Brock, but give him some new f***ing opponents please. Imagine how much it gets someone over if they actually stand up to Brock. Rollins was a weaselly heel so Brock had to kill him, but a plucky babyface like Cesaro? Someone like that nearly beating Brock would mean almost as much as actually beating him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 14, 2015 12:58:02 GMT -5
Time for the part-time hoss to run over the roster again? Maybe he'll even add a third move to his stunning suplex-F5-repeat ad nausem ***** matches-won't that be exciting! I don't even care that you're being sarcastic.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 14, 2015 13:11:22 GMT -5
Time for the part-time hoss to run over the roster again? Maybe he'll even add a third move to his stunning suplex-F5-repeat ad nausem ***** matches-won't that be exciting! I don't even care that you're being sarcastic. "I tell you what I'd do. Two F5s at the same time."
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