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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 22, 2015 23:41:34 GMT -5
They think putting Golden Boy through Daniel Bryan style heartbreak will bring the haters around. To WWE everything's a concept, they don't take into account that different things work for different people. Reigns will NEVER get Bryan-style sympathy, it's rare that anyone does. The only way he's going to become a universally loved face is to have a heel run, and they just won't do it. Other than the heel turn I think your spot on. I don't even think he needs the heel turn, he had it in Shield and it got him over, they just need to stop trying to make him some hybrid of Cena and Bryan. They want him to be Cena on the mic and in the ring but give him Bryan style booking and character growth. Quiet cool badass worked. The guy that looked to Dean before a match one night and talked beating the hell out of each other and then the loser buying the beers worked. But they just want to go away from that to re-create Cena and then create their own Bryan to prove it was all them and not Bryan.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 22, 2015 23:43:36 GMT -5
Roman needs to be Diesel or Goldberg or like that.
He can be cool badass really well; he doesn't have enough range for anything else.
It's weird that seemingly don't want to do that.
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Post by RIHT on Nov 22, 2015 23:47:29 GMT -5
The main event wasn't good at all. They did the finisher nearfall spots way to early, and Reigns's finishing spear was too anticlimactic. The crowd didn't even boo so much, they were just unpleasantly surprised and confused.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 23:48:38 GMT -5
They think putting Golden Boy through Daniel Bryan style heartbreak will bring the haters around. To WWE everything's a concept, they don't take into account that different things work for different people. Reigns will NEVER get Bryan-style sympathy, it's rare that anyone does. The only way he's going to become a universally loved face is to have a heel run, and they just won't do it. Other than the heel turn I think your spot on. I don't even think he needs the heel turn, he had it in Shield and it got him over, they just need to stop trying to make him some hybrid of Cena and Bryan. They want him to be Cena on the mic and in the ring but give him Bryan style booking and character growth. Quiet cool badass worked. The guy that looked to Dean before a match one night and talked beating the hell out of each other and then the loser buying the beers worked. But they just want to go away from that to re-create Cena and then create their own Bryan to prove it was all them and not Bryan. I don't know what their thing is with not wanting people to be dominant. Roman's appeal is that he's a fast, strong berserker constantly flinging himself at his enemies in various creative ways. They have Goldberg and they keep trying to make him the Rock.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 22, 2015 23:53:32 GMT -5
I've made comparisons in the past that Reigns is 2015's answee ro 2004's Randy Orton. He's the guy the company can see no wrong in who was popular within the constrains of the stable he was largely protected by (though moreso Reigns), and floundered immediately after they split him off. Orton also had a stop start title win where he lost the belt almost immediately after winning it, but was never able to get the fans behind him. There the WWE chose a new face without considering what the fans really wanted and it blew up in their face. It took years for Orton to build himself back up to the point where fans were willing to pay money to see him, and even then it was only fleeting. This whole Reigns push is so similar to that situation it's eerie. To be fair with Orton, he probably would've been way better off if they'd had him turn on Triple H and take over Evolution becoming the new top heel. Instead this guy who's spent months being a weaselly prick cheating left and right and talking about how awesome he is, who just a week before winning the belt was talking about how everyone in the crowd is pathetic and never accomplished anything by 24 like what he was about to do, to making him a pathetic loser who came out all mopey-eyed to the Evolution theme after being kicked out then spat in Triple H's face and ran away like a pussy. Likewise, Reigns would be much better off as a heel right now too.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 22, 2015 23:59:50 GMT -5
462 days since an face had an run with the belt
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 23, 2015 0:03:39 GMT -5
462 days since an face had an run with the belt Even if you count Cena and Bryan that's still only like 3-4 months a bayface has been champion out of what the 2 and a half years the authority has been around
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 23, 2015 0:04:37 GMT -5
462 days since an face had an run with the belt Well, technically it's about an hour and 20 minutes, but I get the idea.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 23, 2015 0:09:49 GMT -5
I've made comparisons in the past that Reigns is 2015's answee ro 2004's Randy Orton. He's the guy the company can see no wrong in who was popular within the constrains of the stable he was largely protected by (though moreso Reigns), and floundered immediately after they split him off. Orton also had a stop start title win where he lost the belt almost immediately after winning it, but was never able to get the fans behind him. There the WWE chose a new face without considering what the fans really wanted and it blew up in their face. It took years for Orton to build himself back up to the point where fans were willing to pay money to see him, and even then it was only fleeting. This whole Reigns push is so similar to that situation it's eerie. In addition to that, there's also the "the WWE tries to force him into a certain role for what the new face is supposed to be, and even though it's clear this isn't the right fit for them, WWE would rather force this square peg into a round hole until it takes...doubled since in both cases, there's a perfectly good square hole right next to them which works far better and would be just as successful, but WWE is so stubborn that they refuse to accept that and would rather force them into this position...and it becomes clear that even if they could succeed if only they let him be who he actually is, they'd rather he fail as "their" guy than succeed as something else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:56:38 GMT -5
Either way, I don't think much summarizes the Roman Reigns push more than the visual of him limping to the back while crying, covered in confetti while the crowd booed.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 23, 2015 5:17:23 GMT -5
462 days since an face had an run with the belt more proof that WWE is now WCW.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 23, 2015 5:18:13 GMT -5
I find it funny that after all their efforts to make him into their new golden boy, when he finally wins the title, they completely undermine him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 5:21:03 GMT -5
I find it funny that after all their efforts to make him into their new golden boy, when he finally wins the title, they completely undermine him. The logic is they think this... ... plus this... ... equals this... ... without realizing that when you change the variables you change the end result.
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Post by Totorob101 on Nov 23, 2015 5:26:49 GMT -5
Simply Put i dont believe Reigns will ever be accepted as WWE champion by a lot of fans, heel or face. People just hate the guy.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Nov 23, 2015 5:27:39 GMT -5
For all the Lex Luger comparisons, I don't ever recall him being outright hated like this... They just liked Bret Hart more. Yeah, somehow, history has been way harsher on Luger. If you go back and watch those shows, he's over, but the fans CLEARLY just wanted Bret more. I'd say comparing Reigns to Luger is giving him too much credit. Speaking as a fan who watched the WWF religiously back then, this is true. I liked both, but I liked Bret more because that All-American gimmick was so forced even a 9-year-old mark like me could have seen it and that Bret was just a better wrestler and deserved it. This is the same scenario, only I don't really like Reigns. I feel a little sorry for him because he could be over but isn't and that's mainly WWE's fault. But, Bryan is clearly the better wrestler and deserved it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 23, 2015 5:27:22 GMT -5
It's yet another case of what I've been saying for ages.
Why would Roman, or any other face, even bother to compete for the WWE title?
They know the odds are ridiculously stacked against them. To the point where it's not really worth it.
As soon as he won the title, why didn't he immediately run out of the ring and get into a waiting car? He must have known Sheamus was waiting in the wings.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Nov 23, 2015 5:29:41 GMT -5
If they do go the full Daniel Bryan-style route for him, he'll be a four-time champion by WM.
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Post by Hanzo on Nov 23, 2015 5:29:25 GMT -5
You can only choke so many times I've been wanting to tell this to the Georgia Bulldogs football coaching staff for years now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 5:31:25 GMT -5
Simply Put i dont believe Reigns will ever be accepted as WWE champion by a lot of fans, heel or face. People just hate the guy. I think he could be. I mean, his cousin they like to leech off of when convenient comes to mind, at two different periods in his career he's received that level of backlash and was able to recover from it and become one of the biggest stars in history. Roman's no Rock by any stretch of the imagination in the charisma department but aiming much, much lower then, Tommy Dreamer. ECW fans wanted to lynch him at a point, he eventually won their hearts and kind of became the face of the movement. All it'd take to salvage Reigns is good booking catered to his strengths. They're just not doing that because they think every single main event face has to be John Cena. But he's not John Cena, he's Roman Reigns, and they need to find what it is that makes Roman Reigns work, what there is to like about him, and what he can do that no one else can.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 23, 2015 6:13:09 GMT -5
Simply Put i dont believe Reigns will ever be accepted as WWE champion by a lot of fans, heel or face. People just hate the guy. I think he could be. I mean, his cousin they like to leech off of when convenient comes to mind, at two different periods in his career he's received that level of backlash and was able to recover from it and become one of the biggest stars in history. Roman's no Rock by any stretch of the imagination in the charisma department but aiming much, much lower then, Tommy Dreamer. ECW fans wanted to lynch him at a point, he eventually won their hearts and kind of became the face of the movement. All it'd take to salvage Reigns is good booking catered to his strengths. They're just not doing that because they think every single main event face has to be John Cena. But he's not John Cena, he's Roman Reigns, and they need to find what it is that makes Roman Reigns work, what there is to like about him, and what he can do that no one else can. They don't even know what makes John Cena work, anymore.
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