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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Nov 28, 2015 11:56:27 GMT -5
Hmm... Are they literally taking that quote from The Dark Knight and "living long enough to become the villain" here? Christopher Nolan must have been a huge WCW fan. Ric Flair buying Shane and Stephanie's half of the then-WWF through a consortium is very similar to how Bruce Wayne bought controlling stake in Wayne Enterprises through various dummy companies and blind trusts ("it's all very technical") at the end of Batman Begins. So maybe that was the last night he watched after becoming frustrated with the invasion story line and threw himself into his work (i.e. writing the Batman Begins screenplay).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 28, 2015 12:47:53 GMT -5
"Also, that new American Godzilla movie looks to be huge. Could beat out Titanic."
Meltz was hit and miss.*
*He never said this.**
**Probably.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 13:02:27 GMT -5
Those that don't learn from history... ...are destined to keep trying to rewrite history by claiming some dumb, meaningless segment with a jeep was a huge deal. Hey, hey, did you know WCW actually put WWE out of business in 2006? No you didn't, because one shot of Triple H's mighty tank rewrote history.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 28, 2015 13:04:00 GMT -5
Admittedly, having Cena get his win back and whatnot was a poor move as usual. But overall Owens is doing pretty well, booked quite strongly with plenty of potential. That said, guy is better as a babyface, and in my opinion is held back by his somewhat derivative heel role. As much as I know people do dig it. "Fight Owens Fight", much like "We Want Sasha", it goes to show even in this role the crowd respects him. And I've preferred him as a babyface personally. So if they keep booking him as they are lately (an IC champ who beats lots of people), I say just turn him face at an opportune time and we've got a great fighting champion. I can't see him really being much of a face. I can see them booking him against heels while cutting the same "I'm going to bury your entire gimmick"-style promos like the one he did on Ryback, and while plenty of people would consider that face-ish, I wouldn't. I can't either. Maybe a tweener but he's just too good at being a prick.
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 28, 2015 14:33:12 GMT -5
I still maintain that RVD in 2001 was, in a way, the beginning of WWE's downfall. He was THE most over guy around, despite the fact that he was technically a heel he was getting bigger reactions than babyfaces like The Rock and Kurt Angle. If this were a few years prior, Vince would have recognized this, put the title on RVD, and raked in the dough.
Instead they half-heartedly pushed RVD to the main event level to placate the fans, kept the title on Austin, and within 6 months RVD was completely cooled off after dull feuds with William Regal and Goldust and essentially branded as a midcarder 4 life.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 28, 2015 15:14:12 GMT -5
...are destined to keep trying to rewrite history by claiming some dumb, meaningless segment with a jeep was a huge deal. Hey, hey, did you know WCW actually put WWE out of business in 2006? No you didn't, because one shot of Triple H's mighty tank rewrote history. It was like when Superboy punched reality in DC. Except replace Superboy with Dr. Manhattan because HHH and penis size
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Post by benstudd on Nov 29, 2015 22:20:27 GMT -5
I still maintain that RVD in 2001 was, in a way, the beginning of WWE's downfall. He was THE most over guy around, despite the fact that he was technically a heel he was getting bigger reactions than babyfaces like The Rock and Kurt Angle. If this were a few years prior, Vince would have recognized this, put the title on RVD, and raked in the dough. Instead they half-heartedly pushed RVD to the main event level to placate the fans, kept the title on Austin, and within 6 months RVD was completely cooled off after dull feuds with William Regal and Goldust and essentially branded as a midcarder 4 life. I remembered this quite well. It was the moment they stopped listening to the fans. Two years later, Cena joined the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 22:26:10 GMT -5
Those that don't learn from history... ...are destined to keep trying to rewrite history by claiming some dumb, meaningless segment with a jeep was a huge deal. You can't blame them that Formation of the alliance to end hulkamania segment was cash money.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 29, 2015 22:28:38 GMT -5
I remember 99" nobody wanted Triple H to get a massive push, guys at the top were still over, still seemed on a separate tier from the rest of the stacked midcard, but WWE gave Trips the headline push and it eventually worked. Seems like they've tried replicating that formula for 15+ years with MEH results.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 29, 2015 23:13:06 GMT -5
I remember 99" nobody wanted Triple H to get a massive push, guys at the top were still over, still seemed on a separate tier from the rest of the stacked midcard, but WWE gave Trips the headline push and it eventually worked. Seems like they've tried replicating that formula for 15+ years with MEH results. Hunter was good but he was your usual mid-carder who had a few brushes with top guys. It's like Vince turned around and said "we're pushing YOU" cause there was nobody else. Rock was gone, Austin injured. Foley was getting beat up physically. They needed a new Top guy. And when they pushed Hunter, Good God they went all the way with it and they never got side-tracked. Meanwhile WCW kept pushing the same old guys and they stumbled hard. And they kept changing game plans. That was the difference right there between the two companies. WWF did it the right way. I'm thinking if Reigns was the guy they in mind had all along, he should have been the guy joining the Authority way back. And they should have run him hard since where he would now be established as their main guy. Also it would have been more entertaining having a big heel who's not cowardly. But they have kept on stumbling with his booking.
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Post by blackmegaman on Nov 29, 2015 23:27:49 GMT -5
So wait if WWE is now WCW , what does that make TNA ?
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Post by kidglov3s on Nov 29, 2015 23:30:34 GMT -5
So wait if WWE is now WCW , what does that make TNA ? Paul Alperstein's AWF.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 29, 2015 23:32:00 GMT -5
It's almost creepy how much WWE now is like WCW during the start of its downfall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 0:18:12 GMT -5
So wait if WWE is now WCW , what does that make TNA ? Herb Abrams UWF meet Heroes of Wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 0:19:42 GMT -5
So wait if WWE is now WCW , what does that make TNA ? The fictional federation your cousin made as a kid with his action figures that was horrible.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 30, 2015 8:42:40 GMT -5
I remember 99" nobody wanted Triple H to get a massive push, guys at the top were still over, still seemed on a separate tier from the rest of the stacked midcard, but WWE gave Trips the headline push and it eventually worked. Seems like they've tried replicating that formula for 15+ years with MEH results. Hunter was good but he was your usual mid-carder who had a few brushes with top guys. It's like Vince turned around and said "we're pushing YOU" cause there was nobody else. Rock was gone, Austin injured. Foley was getting beat up physically. They needed a new Top guy. And when they pushed Hunter, Good God they went all the way with it and they never got side-tracked. Meanwhile WCW kept pushing the same old guys and they stumbled hard. And they kept changing game plans. That was the difference right there between the two companies. WWF did it the right way. I'm thinking if Reigns was the guy they in mind had all along, he should have been the guy joining the Authority way back. And they should have run him hard since where he would now be established as their main guy. Also it would have been more entertaining having a big heel who's not cowardly. But they have kept on stumbling with his booking. Thing is, HHH was pushed as a heel at least, not as the top face. So it's not exactly the same, hell at the time it was a good thing, they had all those main eventers, but you can always use another one especially when you need a heel to put against the top guys. HHH was never openly rejected, so even though it took 6 months for him to get real traction, he didn't go the way of Billy Gunn who they were also trying to push at the time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 30, 2015 11:32:48 GMT -5
Who won the war anway? Signs are another example, WWF used to mock WCW for needlessly censoring them and now do they do the same thing themselves. I still maintain that RVD in 2001 was, in a way, the beginning of WWE's downfall. While I agree he was probably the first example of that trend I think it was the HHH/Angle/Steph love triangle fizzling out that was the beginning. I think a lot of casual viewers started to drift away after that, they were the smart ones as that started a trend of many of the big stories having unsatisfying or even completely non-existent conclusions (Invasion, ECW revival, Nexus, who texted Nash, anon GM...).
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 30, 2015 12:01:02 GMT -5
Who won the war anway? Signs are another example, WWF used to mock WCW for needlessly censoring them and now do they do the same thing themselves. I still maintain that RVD in 2001 was, in a way, the beginning of WWE's downfall. While I agree he was probably the first example of that trend I think it was the HHH/Angle/Steph love triangle fizzling out that was the beginning. I think a lot of casual viewers started to drift away after that, they were the smart ones as that started a trend of many of the big stories having unsatisfying or even completely non-existent conclusions (Invasion, ECW revival, Nexus, who texted Nash, anon GM...). That's a great point too, and especially relevant to me because it's the storyline that really made me into a wrestling fan. Everyone wanted, and would have paid good money to see, Stephanie and Angle get together and for Triple H to be the badass babyface who gets his revenge on them.
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 30, 2015 12:15:58 GMT -5
So wait if WWE is now WCW , what does that make TNA ? Herb Abrams UWF meet Heroes of Wrestling. Needs more cocaine and booze.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 12:22:22 GMT -5
Who won the war anway? Signs are another example, WWF used to mock WCW for needlessly censoring them and now do they do the same thing themselves. While I agree he was probably the first example of that trend I think it was the HHH/Angle/Steph love triangle fizzling out that was the beginning. I think a lot of casual viewers started to drift away after that, they were the smart ones as that started a trend of many of the big stories having unsatisfying or even completely non-existent conclusions (Invasion, ECW revival, Nexus, who texted Nash, anon GM...). That's a great point too, and especially relevant to me because it's the storyline that really made me into a wrestling fan. Everyone wanted, and would have paid good money to see, Stephanie and Angle get together and for Triple H to be the badass babyface who gets his revenge on them. To be fair, they didn't really have a choice but to keep him a heel. There were a lot more top faces than there were heels at the time.
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