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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 2, 2015 13:27:05 GMT -5
And the starting QB for your Cleveland Dumpster Fires is Austin Davis. Why in the blue f*** did they draft Manziel then? They drafted him because they had plans for him to be a starter, but he has found himself to be more of a locker room liability from last year and he was under zero tolerance this year, which he failed.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 2, 2015 14:04:15 GMT -5
Then do what Peter King said cut him if you not going to play him stop wasting everyone's time
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 2, 2015 14:05:34 GMT -5
Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports "barring any significant changes" Brock Osweiler will be the Broncos' starting quarterback the remainder of the season for "however long it goes."
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 2, 2015 14:24:28 GMT -5
The osweiler SI cover shows you can spot bad officiating even on accident.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 2, 2015 14:36:57 GMT -5
What sucks is, you could clearly see Manizel getting better. Somebody else brought this up but his instincts were finally starting to adapt to playing at this level. Maybe he wasn't gonna be an elite "Tom Brady" level of QB but he could be something.
If he's such a problem behind the scenes, cut his ass. To just not play him simply out of spite (especially when you don't really got any better options and your season is practically done) is real stupid and wasteful.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 2, 2015 14:53:38 GMT -5
What sucks is, you could clearly see Manizel getting better. Somebody else brought this up but his instincts were finally starting to adapt to playing at this level. Maybe he wasn't gonna be an elite "Tom Brady" level of QB but he could be something. If he's such a problem behind the scenes, cut his ass. To just not play him simply out of spite (especially when you don't really got any better options and your season is practically done) is real stupid and wasteful. Don't get me wrong, I'm not absolving Manziel of fault for his actions. However, Cleveland knew what he was when they drafted him. They DESPERATLEY need a franchise QB, their season is shot anyway, so why not have him play the last 5 games and see what you have? The alternative is drafting yet *another* QB and hitting the reset button for the 30th time
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 2, 2015 14:55:24 GMT -5
The osweiler SI cover shows you can spot bad officiating even on accident. Yikes.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 2, 2015 15:00:16 GMT -5
Cowboys signed QB Kellen Moore off their practice squad.
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Post by JTH on Dec 2, 2015 16:02:57 GMT -5
Why is everyone making a deal of this. Johnny was the 3rd string, starter's out. Now he's the backup.
End of story, what more is there to even discuss?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 2, 2015 16:06:10 GMT -5
Why is everyone making a deal of this. Johnny was the 3rd string, starter's out. Now he's the backup. End of story, what more is there to even discuss? Because he's guy Cleveland invested a #1 pick in, and more imporantly, he's better than both of the guys ahead of him
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 2, 2015 16:12:51 GMT -5
What sucks is, you could clearly see Manizel getting better. Somebody else brought this up but his instincts were finally starting to adapt to playing at this level. Maybe he wasn't gonna be an elite "Tom Brady" level of QB but he could be something. If he's such a problem behind the scenes, cut his ass. To just not play him simply out of spite (especially when you don't really got any better options and your season is practically done) is real stupid and wasteful. There might be more to it than that. The team is a mess in general and has had a number of off-field issues affect their team. Keeping him on the roster and benching him might seem wasteful and stupid, but it might be a move to send a message to the team in an attempt to get ahold of the roster. Think about it; Is Austin Davis a better option than Manziel? No, he isn't, but since the season is a loss anyways you lose little to play him and might gain something by doing so. Not cutting Manziel and making him hold the clipboard under those circumstances makes it obvious that even he will be held accountable in the future going forward. It also means that if Manziel isn't above being held accountable, then no one on the team is above it and the team is demonstrating it in the most obvious way possible. Would cutting Manziel also send that message? Sure, but this is a more attention-grabbing and that might be what the team wants. Besides, not cutting him means that you still have options. Perhaps this could be a humbling experience that forces him to grow up, in which case the team might be able to use him in the future. If not, they can at least get something from any one of a handful of teams (most likely the Cowboys) for Manziel, something they could not do if they simply cut him.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 2, 2015 16:18:33 GMT -5
No one is going to trade for him they know they can get him on the cheap when he is a FA
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 2, 2015 16:19:03 GMT -5
There a reason why the Browns have been a joke since 99
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Post by bob on Dec 2, 2015 16:23:01 GMT -5
I can see Jerry Jones forking over a 7th rounder for Johnny.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 2, 2015 16:49:15 GMT -5
No one is going to trade for him they know they can get him on the cheap when he is a FA That depends on if he clears waivers. If he is waived and someone else with a higher waiver priority claims him you are SOL. If you want him you can offer a minimal trade for him, at the very least.
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Post by JTH on Dec 2, 2015 16:51:12 GMT -5
Why is everyone making a deal of this. Johnny was the 3rd string, starter's out. Now he's the backup. End of story, what more is there to even discuss? Because he's guy Cleveland invested a #1 pick in, and more imporantly, he's better than both of the guys ahead of himJosh McCown broke the Browns' single game passing yards record with that worst set of skills' players everyone complains about, Johnny can barely score points with the same set of players. What's the out lire? The QB. No, Johnny is not better than Josh McCown.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 2, 2015 16:56:50 GMT -5
Because he's guy Cleveland invested a #1 pick in, and more imporantly, he's better than both of the guys ahead of himJosh McCown broke the Browns' single game passing yards record with that worst set of skills' players everyone complains about, Johnny can barely score points with the same set of players. What's the out lire? The QB. No, Johnny is not better than Josh McCown. Josh is a 13 year NFL vet who got every first team rep and has the complete love and trust of the coaching staff. Manziel is a second year player who is not wanted and ran the scout team until this year. So yeah, Josh can slide in and look amazing but he is still like 1-9 on the year. Maybe if all things were close to equal or Josh didn't show that he is still the same loser from Tampa and every other team before I'd buy that.
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Post by JTH on Dec 2, 2015 17:18:19 GMT -5
Josh McCown broke the Browns' single game passing yards record with that worst set of skills' players everyone complains about, Johnny can barely score points with the same set of players. What's the out lire? The QB. No, Johnny is not better than Josh McCown. Josh is a 13 year NFL vet who got every first team rep and has the complete love and trust of the coaching staff. Manziel is a second year player who is not wanted and ran the scout team until this year. So yeah, Josh can slide in and look amazing but he is still like 1-9 on the year. Maybe if all things were close to equal or Josh didn't show that he is still the same loser from Tampa and every other team before I'd buy that. They're 31st in the league in points allowed (26 PPG), only in front of the Saints who we've laughed at all year. The D is garbage. They let a Backup Pick 6 Specialist QB go rough shot on them all Monday Night. I stood up for Joe Flacco when his D is playing like crap all year, and I'll stand up for McCown in this case too. He was set up to be the whipping boy regardless of what happened. Blaming the QB for being 1-9 with a Defense that bad is absurd.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 2, 2015 17:31:49 GMT -5
Josh is a 13 year NFL vet who got every first team rep and has the complete love and trust of the coaching staff. Manziel is a second year player who is not wanted and ran the scout team until this year. So yeah, Josh can slide in and look amazing but he is still like 1-9 on the year. Maybe if all things were close to equal or Josh didn't show that he is still the same loser from Tampa and every other team before I'd buy that. They're 31st in the league in points allowed (26 PPG), only in front of the Saints who we've laughed at all year. The D is garbage. They let a Backup Pick 6 Specialist QB go rough shot on them all Monday Night. I stood up for Joe Flacco when his D is playing like crap all year, and I'll stand up for McCown in this case too. He was set up to be the whipping boy regardless of what happened. Blaming the QB for being 1-9 with a Defense that bad is absurd. And the 12 other seasons of where he has one season about .500 and that was 3-2 in Chicago? McCown sucks this is not something said lightly or without factual back up. He is the worst starter in the NFL. He is 20 games under .500 as a starter and was run out of Tampa of all places just last year. Everything the coaching staff is doing is not to win and not to put the best team on the field, they want to punish everyone on the team by thumbing their nose at ownership. That is why that team is a dumpster fire. They were given pieces to win and threw them away because of some bullshit stupidity.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 2, 2015 17:33:36 GMT -5
The Browns are shitty.
Really shitty.
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