Big Poppa Pumpkin
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Dec 28, 2015 1:22:24 GMT -5
Mr Kennedy
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Phil Parent
El Dandy
Your Favourite Teacher
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Post by Phil Parent on Dec 28, 2015 1:23:11 GMT -5
Stan Hansen.
But he wasn't intentionally unsafe, he just didn't see anything, hence the sack of Idahos every match.
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Post by funakifan88 on Dec 28, 2015 2:17:21 GMT -5
Whenever Titus O'Neil tosses a guy from the sidewalk slam position I cringe.
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Honeybear Lyder
ALF
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Dec 28, 2015 2:22:41 GMT -5
The Dynamite Kid, ask Mick Foley. As for Vader, it's only his punches that were stiff, according to Ric Flair. He protected his opponents during all the other moves like suplexes or moonsaults.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 3:15:50 GMT -5
Goldberg was unsafe. But it wasn't intentional. According to Brett he blames Kevin Sullivan and other agents praising Goldberg backstage on his squash matches even when he hurt someone when they should of been scolding him. Goldberg was still very much of a rookie and wasn't getting in shit but rather being praised even if he hurt someone
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Dec 28, 2015 3:22:57 GMT -5
Goldberg was unsafe. But it wasn't intentional. According to Brett he blames Kevin Sullivan and other agents praising Goldberg backstage on his squash matches even when he hurt someone when they should of been scolding him. Goldberg was still very much of a rookie and wasn't getting in shit but rather being praised even if he hurt someone I was going to make the same point. He was put on TV with minimal training, often against smaller guys & he wasn't taught well in terms of protecting his opponents.
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魔界5号
Hank Scorpio
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Post by 魔界5号 on Dec 28, 2015 4:49:26 GMT -5
Brian Cage. He was pretty good back in like, 2012 when he was a ripped dude but was still pretty lean and capable of working. Now since he got on steroids his work has gotten sloppier and sloppier and not to mention he looks grotesque. I genuinely thought he'd broken Aerostar's neck at BOLA with that Steiner Screwdriver.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 28, 2015 5:33:09 GMT -5
Seriously, is Brian Cage's gimmick just that he's a roid freak and....everyone's cool with it? The f*** is up with that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 5:49:41 GMT -5
80's wrestlers consistently mention how wrestling Kevin Von Erich felt like being in an actual fight.
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Post by Frizzle Fry on Dec 28, 2015 5:49:48 GMT -5
Brian Cage. I more surprised that someone acept work this kind of spot
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 28, 2015 6:44:28 GMT -5
RVD is still potatoing people after decades in the wrestling business so I'm going to go with him.
Bret doesn't blame Goldberg, he blames lack of concussion awareness in the sport and the Power Plant, which was basically a Warrior factory. People left there with amazing bodies but were sorely lacking when it comes to fundamentals of wrestling like protecting your opponent and WCW giving Goldberg the same treatment they did with the Giant did him no favours at all as he didn't learn as much as he could have along the way. There's a reason the most successful non Goldberg Powerplant graduates are those who were basically retrained elsewhere like the Giant and Nash.
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thirteen3
Dennis Stamp
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Post by thirteen3 on Dec 28, 2015 6:47:16 GMT -5
Gran Akuma was pretty damn sloppy. His 450 was atrocious and he botched often.
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ICBM
King Koopa
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Post by ICBM on Dec 28, 2015 7:23:34 GMT -5
80's wrestlers consistently mention how wrestling Kevin Von Erich felt like being in an actual fight. Yeah he laid it in there pretty legit. To be fair though the Freebirds did too. Go back and watch the six man strap match from the sportatorium in 83. Then watch a strap match from one of the big three later. The birds and the von erichs were laying in the leather headless of where the blow landed.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 28, 2015 8:59:26 GMT -5
Goldberg was unsafe. But it wasn't intentional. According to Brett he blames Kevin Sullivan and other agents praising Goldberg backstage on his squash matches even when he hurt someone when they should of been scolding him. Goldberg was still very much of a rookie and wasn't getting in shit but rather being praised even if he hurt someone Exactly. Unsafe is unsafe. The thread doesn't specify intent. Also, Bret wasn't an isolated incident. He f***ed Kronik up pretty bad in Japan too off the top of my head.
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Post by paperbackhero on Dec 28, 2015 9:55:03 GMT -5
There is zero consistantly unsafe workers.
There are workers that have been unsafe.
Big Viscera...thousands of matches...injured guys in a few. Not consistant, imo.
Not many guys havt injured someone. Be it missing a catch, botching a move, miscommunication, etc. Sting, Austin, Rock, Hart...heck, all guys have, even if the recipient doesnt go public with it. It happens.
Vader broke a guys back with a powerbomb. Flair said Vader was safe with him. Who to believe?
One man's stiff, is another man's unsafe.
If someone injured me, id probably deem them unsafe, in that instance...but when guys have had decades of matches, consistantly would mean injuries happening often.
I have issue with the idea that guys are consistantly unsafe....doubt theyd be around if they were.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 28, 2015 9:59:27 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio in his (ongoing) twilight years. NO...this isn't a joke/knock about That Incident. But after that, he injured Chris Masters in an indy match as well.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 28, 2015 10:47:31 GMT -5
The Nasty Boys, two fat slugs who simply couldn't be trusted in and outside the ring. They had a long track record of stiffing guys but somehow got a chance at a nostalgia run in the WWE but blew it by stiffing Grew McIntyre and Dave Taylor in their tryout match, they then got a third chance in TNA but blew that by being asses at a company event in front of Spike TV execs.
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Burst
El Dandy
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Post by Burst on Dec 28, 2015 11:01:50 GMT -5
We talking guys who shoot or are purposely stiff, or we talking guys who are just careless and bad workers? I was talking more the latter; guys with a tendency to either half-ass or be sloppy with dangerous moves like the Border Toss, or just seem to have absolutely no concern for the well-being of their opponent. Going back to the trust thing, just guys you wouldn't trust to work safely with you, whether from poor ringwork or unnecessary stiffness. Stiffness, I have no problem with it if both wrestlers know beforehand or agree to it beforehand. Stan Hansen for example, pretty much everyone knew his stiffness was because of his terrible sight, and were able to work around it. Matches where the two workers agree to work stiff also don't bug me, such as pretty much any Finlay vs Regal match. It's guys that potato their opponent regardless or when asked not to that embody the sloppiness/carelessness in the sense of "can't even be bothered to throw proper worked punches when asked to".
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Post by gatordone on Dec 28, 2015 11:05:04 GMT -5
I remember Bret Hart once saying that he would never work with Steve Mongo McMichael because he was careless in the ring.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 28, 2015 11:24:21 GMT -5
I remember Bret Hart once saying that he would never work with Steve Mongo McMichael because he was careless in the ring. I wonder how much training Mongo actually received before they put him out there, he went from bad commentator to bad wrestler and the commentators had to gush over how much he improved, doing basic things.
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