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Post by walterharrow on Jan 4, 2016 23:22:16 GMT -5
Vince and the Authority really look stupid coming out of this show. They don't want Reigns as champion, so why not just strip him of the belt? Or why didn't Vince add a stip where Reigns loses the belt if he is Disqualified (which would prevent him from attack Vince)?
I always hate when authority figure are desperate for a champion to lose but never actually just take the belt off of them
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jan 4, 2016 23:22:16 GMT -5
But, why would it matter? He has just as much odds as the other participants. If they want to go that route, they can have Vince offer a hefty bonus for being the one to eliminate Roman like he did with Austin in 1999. I just think that in the end why wouldn't everyone want to eliminate the champion when he has the belt? Eliminating him means there is a new champion... But, you still have everyone else in the match. The only ones who should be worrying about there being a new WWE Champion are The Wyatts (anyone but you, Roman) and The McMahons. Everyone else shouldn't give a shit whether there is a new one in particular unless it's themselves. If I'm someone like Ryback, I'm not going to deliberately try to eliminate Roman just so there will be a new WWE Champion. I want to eliminate anyone I can, so I have less people to worry about.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 4, 2016 23:22:39 GMT -5
Nah, Trips will be entrant 31 just to add more screw job to it all. Which leads to the question : Which poor sucker is going to screw over Brock and die by Brock's hand at Wrestlemania for the transgression? Need a job? Call Bray Wyatt.
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Post by darkjourney on Jan 4, 2016 23:24:13 GMT -5
Reigns just isn't that over to really warrant winning the title back in the ME at Mania. I don't see that changing between now and then honestly. No matter how hard they try If anything all this overcoming the odds thing being so contrived will make whatever crowd support he's garnered disappear again fairly quickly I think. I think what they are doing with Reigns would have done wonders for Punk or Bryan when they were at their peak. Where was all this effort with Vince back in 2011 when this type of angle would have made Punk red hot?
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Post by darkjourney on Jan 4, 2016 23:25:42 GMT -5
Vince and the Authority really look stupid coming out of this show. They don't want Reigns as champion, so why not just strip him of the belt? Or why didn't Vince add a stip where Reigns loses the belt if he is Disqualified (which would prevent him from attack Vince)? I always hate when authority figure are desperate for a champion to lose but never actually just take the belt off of them It probably would be so awful if this wasn't "authority experiment trying to screw baby face champ over part 30000000" They have replayed, and rehashed this angle 50 times in the last 15 years
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 23:25:59 GMT -5
You know...
Ambrose/Owens was scheduled for the Royal Rumble but now we see their match is happening on SD this week...
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jan 4, 2016 23:28:03 GMT -5
Nah, Trips will be entrant 31 just to add more screw job to it all. Which leads to the question : Which poor sucker is going to screw over Brock and die by Brock's hand at Wrestlemania for the transgression? The Wyatts
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 23:29:14 GMT -5
Now in gif form
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 23:31:20 GMT -5
If anything all this overcoming the odds thing being so contrived will make whatever crowd support he's garnered disappear again fairly quickly I think. I think what they are doing with Reigns would have done wonders for Punk or Bryan when they were at their peak. Where was all this effort with Vince back in 2011 when this type of angle would have made Punk red hot? Part of me kind of admires Vince because he had Reigns pretty much where he wanted him, and now he's throwing him back in the fire where things went really, catastrophically bad for him last time, and now it just seems like he's going on a "told ya so" world tour of doing everything he did last year but trying to get the opposite result. Who knows if it'll work out or not, conveniently I think all of the popular alternatives are either not as hot anymore or injured so maybe it'll be okay. But if it's not they run the risk of going right back to where they started. This definitely has my interest.
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Post by moondoggie on Jan 4, 2016 23:34:19 GMT -5
Now in gif form Nice try covering that up Vince. Blame Dunn for that lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 23:36:05 GMT -5
I think what they are doing with Reigns would have done wonders for Punk or Bryan when they were at their peak. Where was all this effort with Vince back in 2011 when this type of angle would have made Punk red hot? Part of me kind of admires Vince because he had Reigns pretty much where he wanted him, and now he's throwing him back in the fire where things went really, catastrophically bad for him last time, and now it just seems like he's going on a "told ya so" world tour of doing everything he did last year but trying to get the opposite result. Who knows if it'll work out or not, conveniently I think all of the popular alternatives are either not as hot anymore or injured so maybe it'll be okay. But if it's not they run the risk of going right back to where they started. This definitely has my interest. Exactly what I think. Apparently reports said that Vince was extremely happy the crowd likes Reigns now because they "finally see what he sees and he showed them", that's not the problem. The problem is that Vince's mindset seems to have gone back to "ok, let's try this again now what you see what I wanted you to see" so we're doing it all over again. We're going to get Reigns winning WM with the fireworks all around him, the announcer saying "new WWE Champion Roman Reigns" type of celebration like he's won the title again I mean if he loses the belt soon then he'll already be a 3-time champion. I like the fact it's unpredictable but what I dislike is the idea that I know the winner of the Rumble will either be Reigns, Triple H, Cena or Lesnar. All the others just don't have a shot and rather than it being about who overcomes it's more about who beats Reigns and becomes champion. Rather than the Rumble and the title match being 2 separate entities, it's more about them being 1 now. On the other hand, if this is a setup for an Ambrose turn I'd appreciate it more. We'll see.
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Post by darkjourney on Jan 4, 2016 23:37:52 GMT -5
I think what they are doing with Reigns would have done wonders for Punk or Bryan when they were at their peak. Where was all this effort with Vince back in 2011 when this type of angle would have made Punk red hot? Part of me kind of admires Vince because he had Reigns pretty much where he wanted him, and now he's throwing him back in the fire where things went really, catastrophically bad for him last time, and now it just seems like he's going on a "told ya so" world tour of doing everything he did last year but trying to get the opposite result. Who knows if it'll work out or not, conveniently I think all of the popular alternatives are either not as hot anymore or injured so maybe it'll be okay. But if it's not they run the risk of going right back to where they started. This definitely has my interest. Tough to say if it will work. Like another poster said, it feels so contrived and obvious they are trying to make make Reigns into the next Cena. There will probably be alot of blacklash and resentment towards Reigns after Mania if they go through with the "Cena overcoming the odds" booking part 2.0
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jan 4, 2016 23:41:01 GMT -5
It's not probably going to happen but if we get to the thirtieth man and then hear Ride of the Valkyries.......that roof will be launched into the stratosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 23:42:33 GMT -5
Part of me kind of admires Vince because he had Reigns pretty much where he wanted him, and now he's throwing him back in the fire where things went really, catastrophically bad for him last time, and now it just seems like he's going on a "told ya so" world tour of doing everything he did last year but trying to get the opposite result. Who knows if it'll work out or not, conveniently I think all of the popular alternatives are either not as hot anymore or injured so maybe it'll be okay. But if it's not they run the risk of going right back to where they started. This definitely has my interest. Exactly what I think. Apparently reports said that Vince was extremely happy the crowd likes Reigns now because they "finally see what he sees and he showed them", that's not the problem. The problem is that Vince's mindset seems to have gone back to "ok, let's try this again now what you see what I wanted you to see" so we're doing it all over again. We're going to get Reigns winning WM with the fireworks all around him, the announcer saying "new WWE Champion Roman Reigns" type of celebration like he's won the title again I mean if he loses the belt soon then he'll already be a 3-time champion. I like the fact it's unpredictable but what I dislike is the idea that I know the winner of the Rumble will either be Reigns, Triple H, Cena or Lesnar. All the others just don't have a shot and rather than it being about who overcomes it's more about who beats Reigns and becomes champion. Rather than the Rumble and the title match being 2 separate entities, it's more about them being 1 now. On the other hand, if this is a setup for an Ambrose turn I'd appreciate it more. We'll see. It's too bad that Seth is out because it would be pretty cool if Seth returned with an anti-Authority chip on his shoulder and gave Reigns an assist in the Rumble and then it's Shield vs. the World like old times, have Reigns retain in the end, and have a Shield triple threat at Mania with a tinge of "is this some long con from the Authority to get the title back on Seth or is this gonna be a straight up match?" kind of deal. Maybe an all face triple threat is a bad idea but the Shield factor as well as the mystique of Seth Rollins' true motives might counter-balance that.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jan 4, 2016 23:52:11 GMT -5
Now in gif form Nice try covering that up Vince. Blame Dunn for that lol Vince: "Kevin Dunn, YYYYOOOU'RRREEEE FFFFIIIRRREEE..." KD: "*starts sobbing* But but but my daddy saved a bunch your old tapes from a fire!" Vince: "*sighs* Dammit...nevermind." HHH: *thinks to self* "God love him, but I can't wait until Vince dies or steps down so I can take over and fire Beaver Teeth!"
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 5, 2016 12:40:28 GMT -5
I'm not understanding how this crowd is bad? They seem responsive to everything that's happening. FAN: Where all crowds are bad. No exceptions.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 5, 2016 12:57:21 GMT -5
I just feel the need to repeat the fact that Vince is friggin' jacked
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Post by hbkid718 on Jan 5, 2016 12:59:11 GMT -5
Here are the facts about the 1st Raw of 2016:
- Though every match but Ziggler VS Slater was a re-match from 2015, since it is a new year, nothing counts as a re-match as everything starts fresh - Neville VS Kevin Owens was the 1st Raw opener of 2016 - Titus O’Neil VS Stardust was both men’s 1st match of 2016 - Becky Lynch VS Charlotte was the 1st Diva’s Match of 2016 - Ryback VS The Big Show was the 1st No Contest of 2016 - The Usos VS The League of Nations was the 1st Tag Team Match on Raw in 2016 - Dolph Ziggler VS Heath Slater was Slater’s 1st match on Raw since 2014, as he never wrestled on Raw in 2015 & was his 1st win since defeating Adam Rose on Superstars on May 29, 2015 - The Dudley Boyz & Kalisto VS The New Day was the 1st 6-Man Tag Team Match of 2015 - Roman Reigns VS Sheamus was the 1st World Heavyweight Championship Match of 2016 & both men’s 1st main event of 2016
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Post by kevin on Jan 5, 2016 13:08:23 GMT -5
Here are the facts about the 1st Raw of 2016: - Though every match but Ziggler VS Slater was a re-match from 2015, since it is a new year, nothing counts as a re-match as everything starts fresh - Neville VS Kevin Owens was the 1st Raw opener of 2016 - Titus O’Neil VS Stardust was both men’s 1st match of 2016 - Becky Lynch VS Charlotte was the 1st Diva’s Match of 2016 - Ryback VS The Big Show was the 1st No Contest of 2016 - The Usos VS The League of Nations was the 1st Tag Team Match on Raw in 2016 - Dolph Ziggler VS Heath Slater was Slater’s 1st match on Raw since 2014, as he never wrestled on Raw in 2015 & was his 1st win since defeating Adam Rose on Superstars on May 29, 2015 - The Dudley Boyz & Kalisto VS The New Day was the 1st 6-Man Tag Team Match of 2015 - Roman Reigns VS Sheamus was the 1st World Heavyweight Championship Match of 2016 & both men’s 1st main event of 2016 Rynack should have won by DQ the No Contest vs DQ line needs to be a lot clearer.
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Post by hbkid718 on Jan 5, 2016 13:15:48 GMT -5
WWE officially called it a No Contest, so that's what I go by. Also, the referee never rang the bell when Ryback was attacked. He left the ring. If the bell would've rang, then Ryback would've won by DQ. Also, The Wyatts attacked both Ryback & Big Show, therefore it's a No Contest and not a DQ win for Ryback. The same thing happened in NXT when Baron Corbin attacked Finn Balor & Apollo Crews. He attacked both men, so it was a No Contest, not a DQ win for one.
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