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Post by Doogie Bowser, MD on Jan 18, 2016 15:42:56 GMT -5
Many were so sure that the San Diego Padres were going to move to DC in 1974 that Topps initially printed their entire baseball card set that year to put the Padres roster on a team simply named "Washington". Think it was just the first two series of cards, not all of them. Back then, the cards came out in something like 7 series of printing. 1974 was the first year that Topps released their entire baseball card set at once. It was also the first year that they released a complete factory set in one package. The "Washington Nat'l Lea." error cards were part of the initial print run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 18:08:36 GMT -5
Think it was just the first two series of cards, not all of them. Back then, the cards came out in something like 7 series of printing. 1974 was the first year that Topps released their entire baseball card set at once. It was also the first year that they released a complete factory set in one package. The "Washington Nat'l Lea." error cards were part of the initial print run. Huh, learn something new...thank you.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 18, 2016 22:29:52 GMT -5
I thought of a move that has been forgotten and one that had little to no fan outcry. The Boston Braves move to Milwaukee after the 1952 season. The Braves became the first team to draw over 2,000,000 fans a season in working class Midwestern Milwaukee. Of course 13 seasons later attendance was down and the southern market attracted the team away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 21:46:11 GMT -5
I thought of a move that has been forgotten and one that had little to no fan outcry. The Boston Braves move to Milwaukee after the 1952 season. The Braves became the first team to draw over 2,000,000 fans a season in working class Midwestern Milwaukee. Of course 13 seasons later attendance was down and the southern market attracted the team away. When you only draw 200,000 in a pennant chasing year, fans pretty much dared them to move.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 21, 2016 12:42:43 GMT -5
I thought of a move that has been forgotten and one that had little to no fan outcry. The Boston Braves move to Milwaukee after the 1952 season. The Braves became the first team to draw over 2,000,000 fans a season in working class Midwestern Milwaukee. Of course 13 seasons later attendance was down and the southern market attracted the team away. When you only draw 200,000 in a pennant chasing year, fans pretty much dared them to move. In Milwaukee? I know the Braves drew well through 1959 with the Pennant Chase with the Dodgers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 19:59:19 GMT -5
When you only draw 200,000 in a pennant chasing year, fans pretty much dared them to move. In Milwaukee? I know the Braves drew well through 1959 with the Pennant Chase with the Dodgers. No, Boston.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Feb 7, 2016 18:48:49 GMT -5
All of them. Being European it's the one thing I can't get my head around with American sport.
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Post by Clover Star on Feb 7, 2016 19:05:37 GMT -5
Gary Bettman has about as much business running the NHL as Billy Joel does running a driving school. Bettman is a crappy commissioner but he's far from the worst commissioner or NHL President ever. The one thing I give him credit for was creating parity in the league and actually having the balls to lockout an entire season to make sure there is a salary cap. I do give him credit that he seems to learn from his mistakes from relocations and expansions of not being so short sighted and rushing a move anymore. Seriously he granted an expansion to Tampa Bay before they had arena plans and was a front for the Yakuza and had an owner nobody has ever met who may had never existed. Or relocating Winnipeg straight to Phoenix in an arena that was terrible for hockey and couldn't be converted to be hockey friendly arena hence the mess in Glendale. the arena in Glendale is an awesome facility, and they regularly sell out games there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 19:42:10 GMT -5
Bettman is a crappy commissioner but he's far from the worst commissioner or NHL President ever. The one thing I give him credit for was creating parity in the league and actually having the balls to lockout an entire season to make sure there is a salary cap. I do give him credit that he seems to learn from his mistakes from relocations and expansions of not being so short sighted and rushing a move anymore. Seriously he granted an expansion to Tampa Bay before they had arena plans and was a front for the Yakuza and had an owner nobody has ever met who may had never existed. Or relocating Winnipeg straight to Phoenix in an arena that was terrible for hockey and couldn't be converted to be hockey friendly arena hence the mess in Glendale. the arena in Glendale is an awesome facility, and they regularly sell out games there. Rarely. They always are in the bottom 3 of least amount of sellouts every year and when they do its because they are against Canadian teams or popular American teams where it almost becomes a home game for the road team. Plus it's easier to sell out games when you have the cheapest tickets and get free jerseys for showing up. Not denying the building is awesome and there is a passionate fanbase for sure but let's not kid ourselves. I sort of subscribe to the theory Phoenix might been a success story if they stayed in Phoenix
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Post by Clover Star on Feb 7, 2016 19:55:38 GMT -5
just saying, I live in Phoenix, I've followed the Coyotes since they came down here. Every highlight I see from home games on the local news, the place is always packed. They don't always sell out, no, but it's more often than you think. They sell out more games than the Phoenix Suns do nowadays.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 8, 2016 13:00:33 GMT -5
Arizona actually has the third worst attendance percentage in the NHL, averaging about 77% capacity. Columbus and Carolina are the only worse ones.
Granted I'm not exactly one to talk since my team is next at 83%.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2016 10:08:39 GMT -5
Ask my Grandfather he'd say the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to LA.
He never forgave the franchise for that...
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Feb 11, 2016 17:17:19 GMT -5
Gary Bettman has about as much business running the NHL as Billy Joel does running a driving school. Bettman is a crappy commissioner but he's far from the worst commissioner or NHL President ever. The one thing I give him credit for was creating parity in the league and actually having the balls to lockout an entire season to make sure there is a salary cap. I do give him credit that he seems to learn from his mistakes from relocations and expansions of not being so short sighted and rushing a move anymore. Seriously he granted an expansion to Tampa Bay before they had arena plans and was a front for the Yakuza and had an owner nobody has ever met who may had never existed. Or relocating Winnipeg straight to Phoenix in an arena that was terrible for hockey and couldn't be converted to be hockey friendly arena hence the mess in Glendale. I would totally watch a Slap Shot remake if it turned out the Charlestown Chiefs were a front for the Yakuza.
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Post by The Mark of Mark on Mar 8, 2016 23:47:52 GMT -5
The Colts in the middle of the night I'd say the Kings going from Kansas City to Sac, but that move was more or less justified. Doesn't keep me from getting a little misty eyed though. Hate to agree with you, but you're right. I wasn't around at the time, but from what people tell me, they had a decent following until they started playing in Kemper Arena. Kemper was always a terrible location. Having been to many KC Blades games in my youth (IHL team) and quite a few WWE events, I can confirm that it is also a terrible building. Glad we have the Sprint Center to go to for big events these days.
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Post by ICBM on Mar 16, 2016 10:45:56 GMT -5
Houston Oilers...still hurts.
New Orleans Jazz moving to Utah. Being fair Utah has done an amazing job with them and they have lots of great fans. Still I think a name change at least, would have been appropriate
The Raiders should go to SA but won't. San Antonio won't get a franchise. Jerry would block every attempt unless he was an investor
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 23, 2016 2:03:04 GMT -5
Houston Oilers...still hurts. New Orleans Jazz moving to Utah. Being fair Utah has done an amazing job with them and they have lots of great fans. Still I think a name change at least, would have been appropriate The Salts? They they could be Salty if they lose. Or make their opponents such. Naaaah, the Tabernacles.
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Post by ICBM on Mar 23, 2016 6:07:58 GMT -5
The fightin Joe Smith's
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Mar 23, 2016 10:55:02 GMT -5
The Expos had to get the hell out of Montreal at the end because the fans were not showing up anymore and it got to the point where the last year, they had to share games with Puerto Rico in an attempt to get people into the building for the games. There were lots of reasons for that though... - It all started with the 1994 season being stopped and the WS cancelled. The Expos were the best team in baseball and MLB recognized them as such and gave us a bullshit pennant deal that says "Best Team In Baseball 1994" the first time the Blue Jays came to do an exhibition. The stadium was full then but the strike pissed the fans off. - After the season, the team was dismantled in a firesale, and that wouldn't be the last time, we got used to see our good players develop and leave because the ownership didn't want to spend any money because... - They didn't get their downtown stadium. They could have stayed in the Big O but people didn't want to go because... - The ownership group had told the fans the stadium was lousy, ugly, that it was a bad experience overall. If the people trying to get you to go to a show and then told you "You know, the place where we do the show is horrendous. And by the way, our ace outfielder just left for Denver and we got nothing back, enjoy what we had in AAA to replace him" - Eventually, that local ownership group sold to Jeffrey Loria. Need I go on? I will. - Loria at first wasn't so bad. Then, he overpriced the media rights and the Expos weren't on radio or TV anymore. Fans lost track of them His own stadium plans didn't work. - Then the firesales resumed. - Then, that convulated sale happened where MLB got the Expos from Loria, who bought the Marlins and the owner of the Marlins bought another team. - Loria took with him the Expos coaches, all the scouting data, and all the team equipment and office furniture. Anything that wasn't bolted down or a player he left with. Expos staff were hosted by the Habs for a week. - MLB installed two good, honest people in charge of the team: Omar Minaya and Frank Robinson. The team had an uptick, carried by Vladimir Guerrero we were in the running for a playoff spot, while being on life support then.... - MLB refused to pay so that the Expos could do what every other team could, expand the rosters late in the season. It's said that Minaya VERY STRONGLY motherf***ed the MLB Commissioner for it. The team slowly slid in the rankings as fatigue and frustration took over. That was the final nail. - Then to add insult to injury, Guerrero left. - MLB kept pissing on the coffin and sent the team to Puerto Rico for half the home games. With Selig out of office, everybody sees the kind of clusterf*** this was. And now there are talks of bringing a team back, I hope it happens. -------- Nordiques leaving was more simple: Owners couldn't fund a new arena, so the team left. Only reason, the place was full enough. Know this is a couple of months old--but didn't Walker want to stay in Montreal, since he was Canadian and loved it there? I remember watching the Triumph and Tragedy of the 1994 Expos and reading Jonah Keri's book, and Walker was the one guy that wanted to stay--and the one guy that they got NOTHING for in return (granted, the trades that got rid of Ken Hill, John Wetteland, and Marquis Grissom were pretty awful in their own right). What happened to the Expos was a tragedy.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Mar 23, 2016 18:58:10 GMT -5
Sorry for Expos fans but I'm glad they moved to DC. Not only did it give me a team to root for but DC had already lost two teams to Minnesota and Texas.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Mar 25, 2016 23:42:59 GMT -5
Shane Douglas to the WWF in 1995.
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