|
Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 25, 2016 21:22:51 GMT -5
F*** that dude. He should be happy he was on the Rumble card at all. If someone higher in the totem pole, more talented, or someone who could flat out be more marketed as eye candy to the gay community came out as gay, he'd be out on his ass. This thing you have of "I wish there was a hotter guy to be the first openly gay superstar" is, without question, one of the most disgusting and horribly offensive things I've ever read in my time on this board.
|
|
|
Post by Ashy Larry on Jan 25, 2016 21:47:08 GMT -5
F*** that dude. He should be happy he was on the Rumble card at all. If someone higher in the totem pole, more talented, or someone who could flat out be more marketed as eye candy to the gay community came out as gay, he'd be out on his ass. You're right. Darren Young did the whole "I'm gay" thing as a publicity stunt and it didn't do anything for him. Titus is a good guy and Darren probably is as well but the guy's very bland as a wrestler. Him saying he was gay kinda saved him from being reduced to a member of the Social Outcasts but he's still extremely bland as a performer. I found your comment more funny than infuriating since it's the truth that a bland guy like Darren has managed to stay around this long because of a TMZ publicity stunt. If it were up to me, him Titus and all the other bland guys that showed up (and that includes Show and Henry, more so Show than Mark Henry) wouldn't have been booked (in their place would be some NXT wrestlers who people haven't even heard of just to get them some good exposure). I don't agree about the hotter gay guy thing but Darren if not for the "I'm gay" thing would have been future endeavored sooner or a job guy. He was bland before he came out as well lol.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 22:14:48 GMT -5
F*** that dude. He should be happy he was on the Rumble card at all. If someone higher in the totem pole, more talented, or someone who could flat out be more marketed as eye candy to the gay community came out as gay, he'd be out on his ass. This thing you have of "I wish there was a hotter guy to be the first openly gay superstar" is, without question, one of the most disgusting and horribly offensive things I've ever read in my time on this board. And someone here once said that WCW/nWo Revenge was "just okay". So that's saying something.
|
|
|
Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 25, 2016 22:20:55 GMT -5
It doesnt help that he's really not that good of a wrestler. At least Titus who totally sucks is tall and jacked and charasmatic in his goofy way. I don't think Young is a bad wrestler, he's in that same league as Viktor or any combination of BAM or The Mechanics where they are simply serviceable workers who can work with anyone, but with little to no charisma of their own. Dude, both of the Mechanics are phenomenal workers. I frequently see Scott Dawson referred to as one of the top ten talents in NXT and their whole gimmick is just old school assholes and they've been doing well in pretaped interviews where they just walk in on other peoples promos and being dicks. EDIT: Also Viktor is actually pretty good, he's just weighed down by the anchor called Konnor.
|
|
Sparkybob
King Koopa
I have a status?
Posts: 10,990
|
Post by Sparkybob on Jan 25, 2016 23:21:45 GMT -5
They probably needed a body to be in the pre show and they wanted Titus in the rumble so oh well.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 23:22:22 GMT -5
This thing you have of "I wish there was a hotter guy to be the first openly gay superstar" is, without question, one of the most disgusting and horribly offensive things I've ever read in my time on this board. And someone here once said that WCW/nWo Revenge was "just okay". So that's saying something. I just threw up in my mouth a little.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 23:35:15 GMT -5
And someone here once said that WCW/nWo Revenge was "just okay". So that's saying something. I just threw up in my mouth a little. I'll be honest, I felt gross typing it. I thought for sure we'd have a filter to clean it up a little bit.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 25, 2016 23:45:46 GMT -5
F*** that dude. He should be happy he was on the Rumble card at all. If someone higher in the totem pole, more talented, or someone who could flat out be more marketed as eye candy to the gay community came out as gay, he'd be out on his ass. This thing you have of "I wish there was a hotter guy to be the first openly gay superstar" is, without question, one of the most disgusting and horribly offensive things I've ever read in my time on this board. Has nothing to do with my preference. That's just probably the way Vince thinks. Would he care if Darren was gay if one of his pushed talents came out? If Actual Cena came out as gay, there'd be no point in keeping his not as over and nowhere near as talented lookalike around. Like I said, he was lucky to be on the Rumble card at all.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 0:27:58 GMT -5
F*** that dude. He should be happy he was on the Rumble card at all. If someone higher in the totem pole, more talented, or someone who could flat out be more marketed as eye candy to the gay community came out as gay, he'd be out on his ass. I don't get the source of your hatred for him. You hate him because he came out? And you think he was using this as a crutch to save his career and since you don't find him hot or talented he's on your forever shit list? I'm just glad we live in a era where a untalented bland guy like Darren Young can comeout in a industry with a dark history of carnies and homophobic hillbilly fans to much support and not get the 1991 Sgt. Slaughter death threats heat. Also we will never have another thread about what if we have a openly gay wrestler ever again since we already know thanks to Darren Young. Also how the f*** isn't he marketable to the gay community? John Cena probably has a huge following in the gay community and he's practically a well groomed black Cena with facial hair!
|
|
|
Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 26, 2016 0:34:28 GMT -5
Darren Young is a guy who is pretty much a lesson about social media. His view about WWE going to Saudia Arabia was 100% correct and hey, I applaud him for doing it because it needed to be said. The problem being that he said it under a WWE contract and, outside of PTP, he's nothing. So they took away PTP and now he's nothing. I hate it but, I say this for all media related stuff, he's a gay pro wrestler. Nobody is going to care that WWE suddenly lost their openly gay advocate. I thought it was the incident with the Total Divas cameraman that was the beginning of the end of his push.
|
|
|
Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 26, 2016 9:11:00 GMT -5
This thing you have of "I wish there was a hotter guy to be the first openly gay superstar" is, without question, one of the most disgusting and horribly offensive things I've ever read in my time on this board. Has nothing to do with my preference. That's just probably the way Vince thinks. Would he care if Darren was gay if one of his pushed talents came out? If Actual Cena came out as gay, there'd be no point in keeping his not as over and nowhere near as talented lookalike around. Like I said, he was lucky to be on the Rumble card at all. But that makes no kind of sense because it's not like D-Young is getting any kind of a push. He's just there. It's a bad argument, even ignoring the de-humanizing comments you've made in the past.
|
|
|
Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 26, 2016 9:39:18 GMT -5
PTP still tag together; Darren only came back late in December after not wrestling since August due to an unspecified something. Wikipedia says they last teamed a couple weeks ago on the India tour. I think it's down to both Titus being involved in that Stardust "story" that they didn't want to interrupt, and also just in general them clearly being higher on Titus than on Darren.
|
|
Reflecto
Hank Scorpio
The Sorceress' Knight
Posts: 6,847
|
Post by Reflecto on Jan 26, 2016 12:49:04 GMT -5
You're right. Darren Young did the whole "I'm gay" thing as a publicity stunt and it didn't do anything for him. Titus is a good guy and Darren probably is as well but the guy's very bland as a wrestler. Him saying he was gay kinda saved him from being reduced to a member of the Social Outcasts but he's still extremely bland as a performer. I found your comment more funny than infuriating since it's the truth that a bland guy like Darren has managed to stay around this long because of a TMZ publicity stunt. If it were up to me, him Titus and all the other bland guys that showed up (and that includes Show and Henry, more so Show than Mark Henry) wouldn't have been booked (in their place would be some NXT wrestlers who people haven't even heard of just to get them some good exposure). I don't agree about the hotter gay guy thing but Darren if not for the "I'm gay" thing would have been future endeavored sooner or a job guy. He was bland before he came out as well lol. Wasn't there whispers around the time he came out that Young chose that time to do it because his contract was set to expire that October and WWE had informed him they didn't plan to renew it, so he chose that time basically daring WWE not to re-sign him after that?
|
|
|
Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 26, 2016 15:29:54 GMT -5
Hasn't WWE only done like one major spring cleaning spree since 2013? I find it really hard to believe that he is there solely because he's gay, given that WWE has plenty of other guys there who aren't really over and whom they don't really do much with, but who are employed long enough for people to question why they still are. It comes off as very petty and even slightly homophobic to claim that the gay guy who's spinning his wheels is only there because he's gay, but not to make such excuses for all of the not-publicly-gay people who are spinning their wheels. He wasn't even being fired, they just weren't resigning him. There'd have been no major public shit-taking if they'd just kept on with this alleged plan. The more realistic "keeping Darren Young on" excuse I'd buy is that he's kept around almost entirely so that Titus can remain on the show and prominent without having to sink or swim as an untalented singles guy.
It just comes across like some very hot territory to walk on and is very loaded in its accusations.
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 26, 2016 15:39:01 GMT -5
Hasn't WWE only done like one major spring cleaning spree since 2013? Yeah, generally they just wait till contracts to run out instead of just straight releasing people nowadays.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 26, 2016 15:46:28 GMT -5
Hasn't WWE only done like one major spring cleaning spree since 2013? I find it really hard to believe that he is there solely because he's gay, given that WWE has plenty of other guys there who aren't really over and whom they don't really do much with, but who are employed long enough for people to question why they still are. It comes off as very petty and even slightly homophobic to claim that the gay guy who's spinning his wheels is only there because he's gay, but not to make such excuses for all of the not-publicly-gay people who are spinning their wheels. He wasn't even being fired, they just weren't resigning him. There'd have been no major public shit-taking if they'd just kept on with this alleged plan. The more realistic "keeping Darren Young on" excuse I'd buy is that he's kept around almost entirely so that Titus can remain on the show and prominent without having to sink or swim as an untalented singles guy. It just comes across like some very hot territory to walk on and is very loaded in its accusations. If Darren Young were a heterosexual, he might've been gone with the rest of the guys that got cut. It's not homophobia so much as an indictment on WWE being so PR obsessed that they are afraid of coming off as homophobic themselves if they released Darren or even portrayed him in any type of negative fashion (hence why the PTPs were made face and why Titus was the heel in their breakup). Most of those other "not publicly gay guys who aren't really over" are better or stand out more than Darren in one aspect or another, whether it's being better in the ring, better at talking, or more charismatic. Even someone like Curtis Axel who I think sucks, manages to suck so spectacularly that it's hilarious. If Darren is being kept around for that reason to "keep Titus' suckage from being exposed", then why toss the guy in a singles program and why act as if Darren barely exists while both guys team up with other people? And low key filler matches on RAW is a good enough way to keep Titus on TV. Just because they want to use him doesn't mean he has to be pushed to a title program or an upper mid card spot where he has to sink or swim. That "Next Big Thing or Nothing" mentality is what tanked a lot of guys who would've been serviceable otherwise. And keeping Titus protected this is such an important endeavor, then pair him with someone else. I used to f*** with both PTPs, and I used to defend them when people said they "weren't over except for little scattered clusters of people doing the Millions of Dollars dance". But then Darren became a little mitch over his boyfriend getting blurred out on Swerved, then he put another gay dude on blast on social media just for having the audacity to find him attractive, then they got a tag title run, not on their merits, but because Batista bitched on Twitter about Titus not getting a push (gee, wonder why?). Plus the way that Titus rag dolls people around to the point where they could seriously get hurt. F*** all of that.
|
|
|
Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 26, 2016 15:52:43 GMT -5
Darren Young is a guy who is pretty much a lesson about social media. His view about WWE going to Saudia Arabia was 100% correct and hey, I applaud him for doing it because it needed to be said. The problem being that he said it under a WWE contract and, outside of PTP, he's nothing. So they took away PTP and now he's nothing. I hate it but, I say this for all media related stuff, he's a gay pro wrestler. Nobody is going to care that WWE suddenly lost their openly gay advocate. I thought it was the incident with the Total Divas cameraman that was the beginning of the end of his push. There was also the incident where he went off on WWE for blurring his boyfriend on some network show (implying WWE was embarrassed of him) when it turned out that there was a mix up and his boyfriend had not signed the releases for that production company. The dude has shown himself to not be the smartest person on the roster to put it nicely.
|
|
|
Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 26, 2016 16:34:54 GMT -5
Hasn't WWE only done like one major spring cleaning spree since 2013? I find it really hard to believe that he is there solely because he's gay, given that WWE has plenty of other guys there who aren't really over and whom they don't really do much with, but who are employed long enough for people to question why they still are. It comes off as very petty and even slightly homophobic to claim that the gay guy who's spinning his wheels is only there because he's gay, but not to make such excuses for all of the not-publicly-gay people who are spinning their wheels. He wasn't even being fired, they just weren't resigning him. There'd have been no major public shit-taking if they'd just kept on with this alleged plan. The more realistic "keeping Darren Young on" excuse I'd buy is that he's kept around almost entirely so that Titus can remain on the show and prominent without having to sink or swim as an untalented singles guy. It just comes across like some very hot territory to walk on and is very loaded in its accusations. If Darren Young were a heterosexual, he might've been gone with the rest of the guys that got cut. It's not homophobia so much as an indictment on WWE being so PR obsessed that they are afraid of coming off as homophobic themselves if they released Darren or even portrayed him in any type of negative fashion (hence why the PTPs were made face and why Titus was the heel in their breakup). Most of those other "not publicly gay guys who aren't really over" are better or stand out more than Darren in one aspect or another, whether it's being better in the ring, better at talking, or more charismatic. Even someone like Curtis Axel who I think sucks, manages to suck so spectacularly that it's hilarious. If Darren is being kept around for that reason to "keep Titus' suckage from being exposed", then why toss the guy in a singles program and why act as if Darren barely exists while both guys team up with other people? And low key filler matches on RAW is a good enough way to keep Titus on TV. Just because they want to use him doesn't mean he has to be pushed to a title program or an upper mid card spot where he has to sink or swim. That "Next Big Thing or Nothing" mentality is what tanked a lot of guys who would've been serviceable otherwise. And keeping Titus protected this is such an important endeavor, then pair him with someone else. I used to f*** with both PTPs, and I used to defend them when people said they "weren't over except for little scattered clusters of people doing the Millions of Dollars dance". But then Darren became a little mitch over his boyfriend getting blurred out on Swerved, then he put another gay dude on blast on social media just for having the audacity to find him attractive, then they got a tag title run, not on their merits, but because Batista bitched on Twitter about Titus not getting a push (gee, wonder why?). Plus the way that Titus rag dolls people around to the point where they could seriously get hurt. F*** all of that. He was off on injury during the summer of 2014 when the release happened, and WWE doesn't shitcan people when they're injured, because that is the looking bad they're afraid of. Like I said, it's not even that they would have fired him; the accusaiton being made was simply that WWE was just going to not sign him to another schedule when he just up and said "I'm gay", and then magically WWE was supposedly too afraid of having a guy who was gay be no longer employed with them just by the natural terms of a contract. Even though around the time that this news came out, not only were the PTP having a tag title match at Summerslam, but this was when the whole Abraham Washington story was going. They had just given these dudes a manager, but allegedly saw nothing in him and were going to fire him two months later? Also, while I haven't heard these rumours, it sounds like something very, very easily made the f*** up, especially if that came from one of the lower-end, scummier news sites. Darren being made the face in the breakup seems like a total stretch when that's kind of a coinflip thing and just in general, Titus is the better talker and they probably had hope for Darren being likable. I'll concede that the face turn of the PTP might have been due to the news, but that's hardly "he's only there because he's gay". Are you really bringing forth "people get an ironic kick out of Curtis Axel" as a reason for WWE to be keeping that guy around? That is about eight different kinds of a reach. They broke up the PTP because they break up every tag team in hopes of it going somewhere. It didn't work, Slater Gater was a thing that happened, and then they reunited the team since nobody was doing anything. WWE does that a lot. I'm not even saying that that's a reason I believe, it's just that it's something I could buy more than the allegations being made here that he is only employed because he's gay and came out just so that WWE would be apparently forced to sign him again. I don't even particularly like either guy, and I agree with you about Darren being a f***ing dumbass on social media. But it kind of comes off like his biggest crime is not being the "right" gay guy. Also, I really hate to do this, but in another thread you're talking about you just wish people could ignore the social media dickery of a guy you like, while in here you're laying on real thick how much you dislike Darren for his own dickery.
|
|
Allie Kitsune
Crow T. Robot
Always Feelin' Foxy.
Celestial Princess in Exile.
Posts: 46,109
|
Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 26, 2016 17:02:26 GMT -5
He was off on injury during the summer of 2014 when the release happened, and WWE doesn't shitcan people when they're injured, because that is the looking bad they're afraid of. I mean shit, they sat on Evan Bourne's contract for two f***ing YEARS.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 26, 2016 17:08:47 GMT -5
If Darren Young were a heterosexual, he might've been gone with the rest of the guys that got cut. It's not homophobia so much as an indictment on WWE being so PR obsessed that they are afraid of coming off as homophobic themselves if they released Darren or even portrayed him in any type of negative fashion (hence why the PTPs were made face and why Titus was the heel in their breakup). Most of those other "not publicly gay guys who aren't really over" are better or stand out more than Darren in one aspect or another, whether it's being better in the ring, better at talking, or more charismatic. Even someone like Curtis Axel who I think sucks, manages to suck so spectacularly that it's hilarious. If Darren is being kept around for that reason to "keep Titus' suckage from being exposed", then why toss the guy in a singles program and why act as if Darren barely exists while both guys team up with other people? And low key filler matches on RAW is a good enough way to keep Titus on TV. Just because they want to use him doesn't mean he has to be pushed to a title program or an upper mid card spot where he has to sink or swim. That "Next Big Thing or Nothing" mentality is what tanked a lot of guys who would've been serviceable otherwise. And keeping Titus protected this is such an important endeavor, then pair him with someone else. I used to f*** with both PTPs, and I used to defend them when people said they "weren't over except for little scattered clusters of people doing the Millions of Dollars dance". But then Darren became a little mitch over his boyfriend getting blurred out on Swerved, then he put another gay dude on blast on social media just for having the audacity to find him attractive, then they got a tag title run, not on their merits, but because Batista bitched on Twitter about Titus not getting a push (gee, wonder why?). Plus the way that Titus rag dolls people around to the point where they could seriously get hurt. F*** all of that. He was off on injury during the summer of 2014 when the release happened, and WWE doesn't shitcan people when they're injured, because that is the looking bad they're afraid of. Like I said, it's not even that they would have fired him; the accusaiton being made was simply that WWE was just going to not sign him to another schedule when he just up and said "I'm gay", and then magically WWE was supposedly too afraid of having a guy who was gay be no longer employed with them just by the natural terms of a contract. Even though around the time that this news came out, not only were the PTP having a tag title match at Summerslam, but this was when the whole Abraham Washington story was going. They had just given these dudes a manager, but allegedly saw nothing in him and were going to fire him two months later? Also, while I haven't heard these rumours, it sounds like something very, very easily made the f*** up, especially if that came from one of the lower-end, scummier news sites. Darren being made the face in the breakup seems like a total stretch when that's kind of a coinflip thing and just in general, Titus is the better talker and they probably had hope for Darren being likable. I'll concede that the face turn of the PTP might have been due to the news, but that's hardly "he's only there because he's gay". Are you really bringing forth "people get an ironic kick out of Curtis Axel" as a reason for WWE to be keeping that guy around? That is about eight different kinds of a reach. They broke up the PTP because they break up every tag team in hopes of it going somewhere. It didn't work, Slater Gater was a thing that happened, and then they reunited the team since nobody was doing anything. WWE does that a lot. I'm not even saying that that's a reason I believe, it's just that it's something I could buy more than the allegations being made here that he is only employed because he's gay and came out just so that WWE would be apparently forced to sign him again. I don't even particularly like either guy, and I agree with you about Darren being a f***ing dumbass on social media. But it kind of comes off like his biggest crime is not being the "right" gay guy. Also, I really hate to do this, but in another thread you're talking about you just wish people could ignore the social media dickery of a guy you like, while in here you're laying on real thick how much you dislike Darren for his own dickery. I mentioned Axel because I find him to be a bland performer, but he's such a goober that he stands out in a way that Darren doesn't. Same with other guys mentioned in his thread like the Ascension or the Mechanics. They have decent personas while Darren is just "that black guy with the wacky hair who looks like Cena" And as for the Riley comparisons, I'll admit that it's hypocritical but I feel the same about him; A-Ry just puts this passion and energy in his limited in ring performances that I really haven't seen in D-Young, he can sell and emote better too. I wish people could ignore Riley's social media dickery because I find him more valuable as a talent and legit believe he has no venom towards his peers, he's just kinda stupid and lame. Darren is just pure bitchassness while You can at least get a laugh out of how lame Riley can be. And "the right gay guy" isn't "the wrestler I like", "the wrestler who looks the best in his speedo" or "the wrestler I have a crush on", or even "the underutilized wrestler that I wish could be gay so he could use that as a crutch". It's the wrestler who is talented and over enough that "gay" isn't the first thing you think about when his name is mentioned.
|
|