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Post by keezy on Jan 26, 2016 17:08:47 GMT -5
I don't think Young is a bad wrestler, he's in that same league as Viktor or any combination of BAM or The Mechanics where they are simply serviceable workers who can work with anyone, but with little to no charisma of their own. Dude, both of the Mechanics are phenomenal workers. I frequently see Scott Dawson referred to as one of the top ten talents in NXT and their whole gimmick is just old school assholes and they've been doing well in pretaped interviews where they just walk in on other peoples promos and being dicks. EDIT: Also Viktor is actually pretty good, he's just weighed down by the anchor called Konnor. My comment on The Mechanics wasn't necessarily negative, they're good workers but they don't exactly get reactions like Gable and Jordan who work a similar strictly work based gimmick but as faces. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 26, 2016 18:02:21 GMT -5
He was off on injury during the summer of 2014 when the release happened, and WWE doesn't shitcan people when they're injured, because that is the looking bad they're afraid of. Like I said, it's not even that they would have fired him; the accusaiton being made was simply that WWE was just going to not sign him to another schedule when he just up and said "I'm gay", and then magically WWE was supposedly too afraid of having a guy who was gay be no longer employed with them just by the natural terms of a contract. Even though around the time that this news came out, not only were the PTP having a tag title match at Summerslam, but this was when the whole Abraham Washington story was going. They had just given these dudes a manager, but allegedly saw nothing in him and were going to fire him two months later? Also, while I haven't heard these rumours, it sounds like something very, very easily made the f*** up, especially if that came from one of the lower-end, scummier news sites. Darren being made the face in the breakup seems like a total stretch when that's kind of a coinflip thing and just in general, Titus is the better talker and they probably had hope for Darren being likable. I'll concede that the face turn of the PTP might have been due to the news, but that's hardly "he's only there because he's gay". Are you really bringing forth "people get an ironic kick out of Curtis Axel" as a reason for WWE to be keeping that guy around? That is about eight different kinds of a reach. They broke up the PTP because they break up every tag team in hopes of it going somewhere. It didn't work, Slater Gater was a thing that happened, and then they reunited the team since nobody was doing anything. WWE does that a lot. I'm not even saying that that's a reason I believe, it's just that it's something I could buy more than the allegations being made here that he is only employed because he's gay and came out just so that WWE would be apparently forced to sign him again. I don't even particularly like either guy, and I agree with you about Darren being a f***ing dumbass on social media. But it kind of comes off like his biggest crime is not being the "right" gay guy. Also, I really hate to do this, but in another thread you're talking about you just wish people could ignore the social media dickery of a guy you like, while in here you're laying on real thick how much you dislike Darren for his own dickery. I mentioned Axel because I find him to be a bland performer, but he's such a goober that he stands out in a way that Darren doesn't. Same with other guys mentioned in his thread like the Ascension or the Mechanics. They have decent personas while Darren is just "that black guy with the wacky hair who looks like Cena" And as for the Riley comparisons, I'll admit that it's hypocritical but I feel the same about him; A-Ry just puts this passion and energy in his limited in ring performances that I really haven't seen in D-Young, he can sell and emote better too. I wish people could ignore Riley's social media dickery because I find him more valuable as a talent and legit believe he has no venom towards his peers, he's just kinda stupid and lame. Darren is just pure bitchassness while You can at least get a laugh out of how lame Riley can be. And "the right gay guy" isn't "the wrestler I like", "the wrestler who looks the best in his speedo" or "the wrestler I have a crush on", or even "the underutilized wrestler that I wish could be gay so he could use that as a crutch". It's the wrestler who is talented and over enough that "gay" isn't the first thing you think about when his name is mentioned. But as far as keeping guys, you're citing Axel's perceived level of suck as being great enough to keep him around. And that's not really something that makes a lot of sense as far as the company actually wanting to keep him around. WWE holds onto plenty of guys long after their use by date when it comes to having their chance to get over. Dudes often spin their wheels and are just "around" for years afterward; there's a whole stable of one right now. Whether intended or not, there is a lot of homophobia in the sentiment that he's only kept around because he's gay, especially when your reasoning for other guys comes off as a major stretch. I'm sorry that you are disappointed by how untalented the first ever openly gay active wrestler on the roster is, but that isn't exactly something he did wrong, and you are heaping on a ludicrous amount of hate onto him for it. At the end of the day it's still being angry about him not being "the right gay guy", and that is really not a good look in any circumstance. It doesn't matter how good a guy is, when you're the first (X) wrestler, it's going to draw attention and define you. Hell, anything can go on to define you. It's why despite being one of the best workers in the world, AJ Styles' homophobia remains something brought up in almost every thread. Michael Hayes was part of one of the hottest tag teams of the '80s, but today people only remember him as a punchline for jokes about racism and Rosa Mendes. Hulk Hogan will literally never again not be tied to racism and he is Hulk f***ing Hogan. Anybody in Darren's position would have immediately been "the gay wrestler" no matter how well they worked. But honestly, the weird "Alex Riley has heart and all of these good things that I wish people would notice instead of writing him off, but Darren Young is a shitty person with no redeeming factors who doesn't belong on my TV" logic kind of seals the fact that I feel nothing is really going to get through to you. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 26, 2016 18:12:52 GMT -5
Darren Young still got his WWE job because he is a meat & potatoes wrestler which WWE needs to fit into utility roles on the roster. Not because he is an openly gay man. There was a reason why guys like Kane, Bob Holly, and Mark Henry kept their jobs log after their freshness passed. You need people like that to either help those you want to elevate or fill a spot needed to flesh out the roster. Not everyone gets to be the superstar but the background players are the ones who have the longer careers until someone else comes along to fill their role.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 26, 2016 18:21:00 GMT -5
Darren Young is ok. He's been entertaining in PTP. He's a perfectly serviceable dude, and is on the level he should be at on the card. Decent wrestler.
And Mr. No Days Off is a pretty decent nickname.
He's certainly as talented as your Rileys, Adam Roses, etc. And that's not a slight against any of those dudes. They're all perfectly solid lowcard guys. And while I've never seen a Darren Young match and though "WOW THAT WAS GREAT!", I've never seen one that I thought was just awful and/or botch-filled either.
I've got no issue with him. He's alright by me.
And Titus is just entertaining.
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Post by Vern on Jan 26, 2016 18:53:17 GMT -5
I have absolutely no issue with Darren's sexuality, but I do believe that if he hadn't came out publicly he might have been released/not renewed by now. I'm not saying he planned it that way, but it is what it is. He's really low on the card (often not on it at all), a mediocre wrestler at best and a bit of an asshole. These aren't traits that are inclusive to someone keeping their job.
I don't think its a matter of WWE keeping him for lack of a "better gay" (that's moronic). That being said, I believe that him being openly gay WOULD keep him off the chopping block or helped him get renewed. Especially with Steph's sexuality being dictated by her PR fetish.
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Post by Zen411 on Jan 27, 2016 3:02:22 GMT -5
I met both prime time players at the gym when WWE was in town. This was before their original breakup and before d young came out. Titus was nice and personable and shook my hand and chatted with me briefly. I extended my hand to Darren who not only left me hanging but completely ignored me while he was more interested in applying lotion to his legs. It left a sour taste in my mouth for him.
Maybe he was having a bad day, maybe he's uncomfortable around fans. Idk. But I think maybe it's an indication of how he is behind the scenes and if the other guys don't like him they aren't going to protect him or push him.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 27, 2016 4:41:16 GMT -5
I met both prime time players at the gym when WWE was in town. This was before their original breakup and before d young came out. Titus was nice and personable and shook my hand and chatted with me briefly. I extended my hand to Darren who not only left me hanging but completely ignored me while he was more interested in applying lotion to his legs. It left a sour taste in my mouth for him. Maybe he was having a bad day, maybe he's uncomfortable around fans. Idk. But I think maybe it's an indication of how he is behind the scenes and if the other guys don't like him they aren't going to protect him or push him. Well, you did approach him at the gym. I know I didn't like to be interrupted at the gym so this sounds like the same. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 27, 2016 6:58:43 GMT -5
Darren Young still got his WWE job because he is a meat & potatoes wrestler which WWE needs to fit into utility roles on the roster. Not because he is an openly gay man. There was a reason why guys like Kane, Bob Holly, and Mark Henry kept their jobs log after their freshness passed. You need people like that to either help those you want to elevate or fill a spot needed to flesh out the roster. Not everyone gets to be the superstar but the background players are the ones who have the longer careers until someone else comes along to fill their role. It's kind of absurd, isn't it? People don't want talented guys they like to have to lose to talent higher up the card, they don't want traditional minor league jobbers used, but they don't feel semi credible guys like Darren Young and Curtis Axel should keep their jobs putting people over either as they see them as taking a roster slot from better talent. Fire the Darren Youngs and Axels and it'll be the likes of Neville and Sami Zayn jobbing cleanly in short matches on Raw. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 10:58:02 GMT -5
I met both prime time players at the gym when WWE was in town. This was before their original breakup and before d young came out. Titus was nice and personable and shook my hand and chatted with me briefly. I extended my hand to Darren who not only left me hanging but completely ignored me while he was more interested in applying lotion to his legs. It left a sour taste in my mouth for him. Maybe he was having a bad day, maybe he's uncomfortable around fans. Idk. But I think maybe it's an indication of how he is behind the scenes and if the other guys don't like him they aren't going to protect him or push him. Darren Young out of nowhere approached me in a bar and shook my hand giving me a bro hug saying thanks for coming out and left the bar. That's my story about darren young |
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