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Post by psychokiller on Jan 28, 2016 2:24:17 GMT -5
It's just weird that he had to lose to all the part time guys when that's the last thing they should have been doing to a guy of his caliber. It was extremely bad in 2013 where he lost 4 PPV matches to part timers. Looking back it's just mind boggling for why they did that.
Lost to HHH at Night of Champions 2011 - This was the worst one of them all since it was right after the pipe bomb promo that was the beginning of Punk turning into a big star. It definitely ruined his momentum a bit for having to lose for no reason here when he should have definitely won.
Lost to The Rock at Royal Rumble 2013 & Elimination Chamber 2013 - The matches were both pretty mediocre to begin with. I wish they could have just had the Rumble match itself for the title if they wanted to put the title on The Rock. Than they could have had the Mania 29 main event be The Rock vs. John Cena vs. CM Punk triple threat match for the title. Cena could have pinned The Rock "to get his win back" if they wanted. While Punk could say he never got pinned so he can have an excuse & wouldn't look that weak.
Lost to The Undertaker at WrestleMania 29 - I think if they were planning on having the streak end eventually, Punk would have been a great option to end it. It likely would have kept Punk around long term possibly instead of him deciding to leave in 2014. It would show Punk that WWE is really behind him to give him one of the biggest wins in WWE history. I'm okay with Lesnar being the one ending the streak due to the great way he was booked afterwards, but Punk would have been an even better option.
Lost to Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam 2013 - This one I don't have many problems with compared to all the other ones. I think Lesnar winning here was the right call due to Lesnar only being 2-2 since his comeback. He needed the win & Lesnar even needed help from Heyman to get the win so it didn't really hurt Punk losing here.
Batista winning Royal Rumble 2014 - This was pretty much the end for Punk where he knew that with Batista getting the Rumble win another part timer was coming in to take the Mania main event spot. His contract was going to be up in 6 months so he knew he wasn't going to be back after that anyway most likely & that was it.
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Post by gr1990 on Jan 28, 2016 2:31:35 GMT -5
They didn't see him as 'the guy,' but he was a big enough star that people would buy him having a chance in these matches. Regarding him leaving, I think the fact that physically he was in an awful state and (at least according to his account) WWE were constantly playing down his issues and forcing him to work through it all made his decision all the more easy. If he had a clean bill of health and felt he was being looked after, he might have stuck around to see what happened.
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Post by psychokiller on Jan 28, 2016 2:36:30 GMT -5
They didn't see him as 'the guy,' but he was a big enough star that people would buy him having a chance in these matches. Regarding him leaving, I think the fact that physically he was in an awful state and (at least according to his account) WWE were constantly playing down his issues and forcing him to work through it all made his decision all the more easy. If he had a clean bill of health and felt he was being looked after, he might have stuck around to see what happened. Yeah, that's probably the case. It's just weird though how they gave him a really long title run, yet they still didn't view him as an equal to the part time guys he had to lose to. Pretty much the proof is where they let Lesnar get the Taker win & not Punk which shows Vince viewed Punk beneath guys like Cena/Taker/Batista/Lesnar/HHH etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 2:41:59 GMT -5
In WWE's view, he "got" to lose to all the part-timers.
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Post by Paco on Jan 28, 2016 2:54:04 GMT -5
In WWE's view, he "got" to lose to all the part-timers. Yup, and now it's Bray Wyatt that gets that "rub". Ugh. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 28, 2016 6:46:31 GMT -5
In the WWE's eyes working with a part timer is enough, they could squash you in 5 minutes on Raw and Vince/Hunter would see that as somehow being good for you because they're a name and you're not, when in the real world, it's things like this that help to ensure guys lower down the totem pole never get to become names.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 28, 2016 7:23:42 GMT -5
In WWE's view, he "got" to lose to all the part-timers. Yup, and now it's Bray Wyatt that gets that "rub". Ugh. But hey, Wyatt didn't even have to pipebomb. |
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Post by TGM on Jan 28, 2016 7:27:45 GMT -5
Punk is so overated.
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Post by tms on Jan 28, 2016 7:38:21 GMT -5
Not really; he's lost quite a bit of weight. |
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 28, 2016 8:00:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the two Punk vs. Rock matches were where WWE really screwed up with Punk. He didn't need to turn heel, he didn't need to face Rock at all, and his title reign didn't need to end there just so we could get a Cena vs. Rock rematch that nobody wanted. That, and the HHH match (even though I don't agree with Punk blaming HHH directly for that) are why I don't blame him for leaving the way he did.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 28, 2016 8:25:49 GMT -5
One guy who could make look other guys strong.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Jan 28, 2016 8:33:46 GMT -5
I thought everyone lost to the part timers
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 28, 2016 8:35:42 GMT -5
I understand the disappointment from Punk on not being in the main event or Wrestlemania, and I think that's fair for him but he did get a REALLY LONG title reign and was put over just about everyone else. He got clean wins over Cena, which nobody else got.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 28, 2016 8:41:50 GMT -5
I understand the disappointment from Punk on not being in the main event or Wrestlemania, and I think that's fair for him but he did get a REALLY LONG title reign and was put over just about everyone else. He got clean wins over Cena, which nobody else got. He never once had a clean win over Cena |
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 28, 2016 8:49:46 GMT -5
I understand the disappointment from Punk on not being in the main event or Wrestlemania, and I think that's fair for him but he did get a REALLY LONG title reign and was put over just about everyone else. He got clean wins over Cena, which nobody else got. He never once had a clean win over Cena MITB 2011 was as clean as a win gets against Cena. Whether completely clean or not he was clearly presented as being on the same level as Cena and his greatest rival. |
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 28, 2016 9:20:19 GMT -5
He never once had a clean win over Cena MITB 2011 was as clean as a win gets against Cena. Whether completely clean or not he was clearly presented as being on the same level as Cena and his greatest rival. Bryan, Orton, Owens, HHH, Khali, Show, Brock, HBK, Batista and JBL all beat him cleaner. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 28, 2016 9:25:15 GMT -5
Rock winning the title was awesome so I don't care he lost, Lesnarwas a waaaayy better option to end the streak and he also should have lost to Lesnar at Summerslam.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 28, 2016 9:26:20 GMT -5
He was bulltproof because he had a mouth to back up his losses, and a lot of good will with fans so it didn't matter as a character, it just made for a very, very tedious experience as a fan
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Jan 28, 2016 11:55:06 GMT -5
MITB 2011 was as clean as a win gets against Cena. Whether completely clean or not he was clearly presented as being on the same level as Cena and his greatest rival. Bryan, Orton, Owens, HHH, Khali, Show, Brock, HBK, Batista and JBL all beat him cleaner. Don't forget Del Rio a few months ago at Hell in a Cell! Also, it was very fluky, but Sheamus' win in the tables match was clean. I don't believe Orton has ever beaten him clean, at least not in a one-on-one match. He pinned him at Wrestlemania 24 in a triple threat match only after Triple H pedigreed him. And I wouldn't call the Money in the Bank win for Punk a truly clean win, but it wasn't entirely unclean either. It was a weird grey area. But yes, he needs an asterisk next to all of his wins over Cena whereas a few other guys don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 11:57:47 GMT -5
The same reason Bray Wyatt does now - he's someone they want to push, but they see more value in the guys who were around ten or twenty years ago than in the day-to-day ones.
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