Jim Cornette Loves Him some Lucha Underground

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[A Platypus Rave]

This should surprise no one that knows anything about Jim's philosophy when it comes to wrestling.

[Marksus]

He lost me as soon as I saw the double negative.

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Spoken like a guy that not only does not get it but still wishing on a star that everything was like smokey mountain.

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Corny's disapproval of LU just reinforces how awesome that show truly is.

[AdamAFL was sooooo wrong]

And people wonder why Steen found it so difficult to work with this man. He can't accept anything outside of his perfect bubble of what wrestling should be. I love SMW more than most but jesus Cornette, move on.

[JTG Fan]

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

I haven't personally watched any LU yet, but from everything I've heard they don't hide the fact that they're not a traditional promotion but a TV show that features wrestling

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I like Cornette but he sounds ridiculously out of touch when complaining that no one believes it's real. It's crazy that adults ever believed it was real in the first place and Cornette should consider that a stroke of luck more than anything, now that the jig is up it's up to the wrestling industry to adapt as best they can because there is no getting that back. Lucha Underground is as valid as any exploration of the art form of wrestling.

I don't hate the Eddie Edwards/Davey Richards matches the way most people do here but I'd be curious to see how he reconciles a match like that happening under his watch and thinking he has any ground to stand on in terms of believability.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Is it after 1986? Corny ain't interested

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Jesus christ, Jim. No one in 2016 is EVER going to believe it's real again. Ever. At most you can hope for "This is all bullshit but that one thing this guy said is real." The best thing you can hope for is making the best possible version of wrestling, figuring out what makes it fun and using those parts as good as you possibly can. THAT'S what Lucha Underground excels at. Everyone loves it because it's the first wrestling program of the new millennium to embrace wrestling without being ashamed of it on some level ("Sports entertainment" or "This isn't that sports entertainment garbage!" were the only two message statements in the 00's it seemed).

Just enjoy it for what it is.

[Burst]

Yeah, at some point in the last few years Corny seems like he's gotten even more calcified and bitter about the very, very specific idealized form of wrestling in his head.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if there's ever any new wrestling that he likes that was made without his direct input.

[Hit Girl]

Wrestling will never ever be taken seriously as a "sport" again. With that in mind, I can understand why LU have chosen to simply go in a different direction. It's an alternative product. It's supposed to be distinct.

[Mozenrath]

Vince Russo is a dumb, out-of-touch racist.

Wait.

[BorneAgain]

The more Cornette speaks about the business, the more his rants against Russo seem like a case of broken clock syndrome rather than any astute understanding of the business. It almost feels like the two of them have opposite problems with the former knowing what you have to do with execution to make wrestling work but having outdated core ideas; and the latter having some coherent bullet points about what wrestlers and stories should be, but absolutely awful at carrying them out in any way.

Lucha Underground works because it establishes an interesting universe and sticks to its rules. It doesn't have an old presentation/format that few people are into (like Cornette's booking) nor does it constantly screw with people's heads and confuse the audience with contradictory characters/stories (like Russo's).

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He honestly thinks we can put the genie back in the bottle and actually try to make people believe pro wrestling is legitimate. That's f***ing dumb.

[HMARK Center]

On the one hand, I feel for guys like Jim Cornette and in some ways Bret Hart, guys who came up in a much healthier wrestling industry, saw things done in a way that made a lot of people a pretty good living, and then watched as everything they knew was swept off the table in the blink of an eye, leaving a much less healthy, much more top-heavy wrestling industry where less and less people make a living.

On the other, especially with Cornette, there comes a point where you have to reconcile with the fact that the cat is out of the bag; I've heard Cornette say before "wrestling is dead" (with regards to wrestling as he knew it), but he still loses his cool over newer stuff that's trying newer things, so he's clearly not over it. Kayfabe's dead, and it isn't coming back. Yes, the biggest money tends to be in getting a crowd, even a jaded smark crowd, to buy in to what they're seeing and feel that it's real even for a minute, but Lucha Underground clearly feels that a new direction is needed. And why shouldn't they experiment? The wrestling industry in the US and Canada today is sickly, at best, the wasteland left behind by the short-sighted nuclear fallout that came from the Monday Night War; it's fair to say that a new direction and new vision may be needed.

[Rudy Gobert Fadeaway]

WE NEED REAL WRESTLING LIKE DAVEY RICHARDS AND MIKE BENNETT

[bmfjules]

Things I enjoy hearing Jim Cornette talk about: old time wrestling, whether his own career or anything from the old school days of the territories(listening to him talk about Sputnik Monroe on Austin's podcast for instance was a pure joy), and a little bit about the stupidity of guys like Russo, or Jim Herd back in the 90s etc, or LOLTNA stuff occasionally.

Things I don't enjoy hearing Jim Cornette talk about: any and everything else.

[Rudy Gobert Fadeaway]

THIS IS WHAT IS GONNA SAVE THE BUSINESS