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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 3, 2016 12:15:05 GMT -5
The best coverage of that trial IMO was the Howard Stern show. He would send out his guy to interview people in New York and you'd get the most repulsive feedback imaginable, most of which blamed OJ's ex wife for either exaggerating the beatings he gave her, or outright justifying that a man sometimes needs to beat his wife. Stern basically thought this warped mindset would be shared by the jury, and I think he was right. The fact it took the jury such a relatively short period of time to come back with a verdict pretty much proved they didn't give two shits about any scientific evidence, much of which they probably wouldn't have understood at all. You gotta remember things like, his blood wasn't there. Oh, it was everywhere, but because the cops f***ed it so bad, it wasn't admissible. It wasn't like the jury ignored it, it wasn't there as far as the law is concerned. There's more, but that's the big one, jury came back with the right verdict, even if he totally did it. I'm 99% sure OJ did it, but the fact of the matter is, OJ's lawyers did their job and the prosecution ROYALLY f***ed up theirs.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 3, 2016 13:02:15 GMT -5
I have read about the case and seen documentaries. Was it ever confirmed that his blood was a match though? The reason I ask is because once again Nicole and Ron Goldman were relatively young, athletic, and at some point adrenaline would've pushed them to act and fight back. I'd think OJ would have more than a cut on his middle finger. He'd have some bruises, lots of scratches, and would've at least looked like he been through a struggle.
Of course I definitely don't know it all and if he did do it then he didn't do it alone. One of the most common theories I've read is they believe his son Jason did committed the murders. Are they doing a repeat of the show? Or was it just one episode type of deal that chronicles the trial?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 3, 2016 13:18:43 GMT -5
I remember watching the NBA Finals with my grandmother (may she rest in peace) as a kid when the news of the Bronco chase broke. I didn't get really hype over football until middle school, so I knew of OJ's success as a running back, but to me it was surreal enough seeing Nordberg from The Naked Gun being charged with murder.
I followed the trial moderately, but from what I observed I was convinced he was guilty as shit and I still am.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 3, 2016 14:12:29 GMT -5
Only thing that I am convinced of is OJ is most likely guilty of knowing who committed the murders and is afraid to say who.
Paul Mooney said it best with his opinion: "OJ has to be the quickest person I know who could kill two people, not get a drop of blood on him, and still catch the Red Eye?! I don't kill anyone and I am always late for my flight."
I just find it hard to believe that someone like him could kill two people in a horrific fashion and not show any form of a struggle during the tragedy. Of course I could be wrong and maybe he did do it, however, in the end we're all just spectators offering our opinion regarding the circumstances. This isn't like the Michael Jackson case where it was obvious that it was about money. The sad reality of both OJ and even MJ is none of us were there, no one knows what happened, and the only ones who know are the ones who were actually there.
Much like MJ, I believe OJ is definitely innocent of murder and I haven't been convinced otherwise. He's maintained he had nothing to do with it from the beginning. But what ultimately even makes me think otherwise to a degree is the book "If I Did It". If I was accused of murder and was acquitted, there's no way I would write a hypothetical book on how I would've committed an actual murder.
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Post by domrep on Feb 3, 2016 14:43:12 GMT -5
Only thing that I am convinced of is OJ is most likely guilty of knowing who committed the murders and is afraid to say who. Paul Mooney said it best with his opinion: "OJ has to be the quickest person I know who could kill two people, not get a drop of blood on him, and still catch the Red Eye?! I don't kill anyone and I am always late for my flight." I just find it hard to believe that someone like him could kill two people in a horrific fashion and not show any form of a struggle during the tragedy. Of course I could be wrong and maybe he did do it, however, in the end we're all just spectators offering our opinion regarding the circumstances. This isn't like the Michael Jackson case where it was obvious that it was about money. The sad reality of both OJ and even MJ is none of us were there, no one knows what happened, and the only ones who know are the ones who were actually there. Much like MJ, I believe OJ is definitely innocent of murder and I haven't been convinced otherwise. He's maintained he had nothing to do with it from the beginning. But what ultimately even makes me think otherwise to a degree is the book "If I Did It". If I was accused of murder and was acquitted, there's no way I would write a hypothetical book on how I would've committed an actual murder. 6'1'' former football player towering over someone like Nicole Brown Simpson? The cut on his finger, the blood and gloves around his house? The DNA evidence pointed to him doing it.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Feb 3, 2016 14:51:25 GMT -5
I'm kinda of the opinion that his son did it tbh.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Feb 3, 2016 14:54:36 GMT -5
I think that even if his son did it, O.J. knew about it, which just makes him accessory after the fact meaning he still belongs in jail.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 3, 2016 15:33:13 GMT -5
Only thing that I am convinced of is OJ is most likely guilty of knowing who committed the murders and is afraid to say who. Paul Mooney said it best with his opinion: "OJ has to be the quickest person I know who could kill two people, not get a drop of blood on him, and still catch the Red Eye?! I don't kill anyone and I am always late for my flight." I just find it hard to believe that someone like him could kill two people in a horrific fashion and not show any form of a struggle during the tragedy. Of course I could be wrong and maybe he did do it, however, in the end we're all just spectators offering our opinion regarding the circumstances. This isn't like the Michael Jackson case where it was obvious that it was about money. The sad reality of both OJ and even MJ is none of us were there, no one knows what happened, and the only ones who know are the ones who were actually there. Much like MJ, I believe OJ is definitely innocent of murder and I haven't been convinced otherwise. He's maintained he had nothing to do with it from the beginning. But what ultimately even makes me think otherwise to a degree is the book "If I Did It". If I was accused of murder and was acquitted, there's no way I would write a hypothetical book on how I would've committed an actual murder. 6'1'' former football player towering over someone like Nicole Brown Simpson? The cut on his finger, the blood and gloves around his house? The DNA evidence pointed to him doing it. Exactly my point. He is a former football player but he's also taking on two people. He may tower of them in totality, but there's still going to be more than just a cut on his finger. There would've had to have been some bruises and considering the fact that they said Nicole was extremely fit and athletic, with her doing massive stairmaster workouts, and Ron being pretty young and fit too, OJ would've been in a fight with two adrenaline stricken individuals. That's all I am saying.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Feb 3, 2016 15:38:39 GMT -5
"The blood on the Bronco. The cuts on his hands. The Jay Leno monologues. Oh my God, he did do it!"
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Post by wisdomwizard on Feb 3, 2016 15:48:33 GMT -5
You gotta remember things like, his blood wasn't there. Oh, it was everywhere, but because the cops f***ed it so bad, it wasn't admissible. It wasn't like the jury ignored it, it wasn't there as far as the law is concerned. There's more, but that's the big one, jury came back with the right verdict, even if he totally did it. I'm 99% sure OJ did it, but the fact of the matter is, OJ's lawyers did their job and the prosecution ROYALLY f***ed up theirs. Yup, even to this day there are too many people out there that keep putting prosecutors on pedestals as white knights of justice while defense attorneys are scum of the earth just because they do their job. That's not to say defense lawyers aren't dirty, there's plenty of them out there who do witness tampering, cover up evidence pointing to their clients etc. But by and large, even in public cases where the DA and prosecution should have had a slam dunk and screw up like in the Casey Anthony case to name just one; they never get scrutiny from the public or called out on their incompetence. I'm not sure I'll ever get around to watching Making a Murderer, but I am glad it has seemed to open at least some of people's eyes about just how utterly corrupt or wrong DAs and prosecutors can be.
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Post by Cela on Feb 3, 2016 17:27:51 GMT -5
6'1'' former football player towering over someone like Nicole Brown Simpson? The cut on his finger, the blood and gloves around his house? The DNA evidence pointed to him doing it. Exactly my point. He is a former football player but he's also taking on two people. He may tower of them in totality, but there's still going to be more than just a cut on his finger. There would've had to have been some bruises and considering the fact that they said Nicole was extremely fit and athletic, with her doing massive stairmaster workouts, and Ron being pretty young and fit too, OJ would've been in a fight with two adrenaline stricken individuals. That's all I am saying. Stairmaster workouts... yep. There is a difference between being in shape and being armed and in Football shape. For comparison. I'm a 6' 2" 240 guy who does Jiu Jitsu. I am in decent shape and considered the ox of my friend group. I roll with middleweight (185)/light heavyweight (205) pro fighters from time to time. I get rag dolled and spend the entire time playing defense. OJ was an an elite athlete taking part in a training program to make him compete against other pro athletes who wanted to take his head off an hour at a time. Now, OJ at peak was 212 lbs of pure muscle. Let's assume OJ had gained a bit of weight after retiring and was around 250-280 lbs. Based on a quick google, Ron Goldman was a decent in shape 170 lbs. Nicole was 129. It would be like grown man vs. 8 year olds.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 3, 2016 18:21:51 GMT -5
Exactly my point. He is a former football player but he's also taking on two people. He may tower of them in totality, but there's still going to be more than just a cut on his finger. There would've had to have been some bruises and considering the fact that they said Nicole was extremely fit and athletic, with her doing massive stairmaster workouts, and Ron being pretty young and fit too, OJ would've been in a fight with two adrenaline stricken individuals. That's all I am saying. Stairmaster workouts... yep. There is a difference between being in shape and being armed and in Football shape. For comparison. I'm a 6' 2" 240 guy who does Jiu Jitsu. I am in decent shape and considered the ox of my friend group. I roll with middleweight (185)/light heavyweight (205) pro fighters from time to time. I get rag dolled and spend the entire time playing defense. OJ was an an elite athlete taking part in a training program to make him compete against other pro athletes who wanted to take his head off an hour at a time. Now, OJ at peak was 212 lbs of pure muscle. Let's assume OJ had gained a bit of weight after retiring and was around 250-280 lbs. Based on a quick google, Ron Goldman was a decent in shape 170 lbs. Nicole was 129. It would be like grown man vs. 8 year olds. Believe me, I understand what you're saying. But even the weakest individuals can and would put up a massive fight once adrenaline becomes a factor. Those with nothing to lose are the ones who fight the hardest. Just saying that I feel certain angles aren't examined and I just pointed out that Nicole wasn't weak, stairmasters aren't a joke by any means, and Ron was relatively healthy and fit too. Two younger human beings against a man who was 46 at the time, experienced the rigors of an intense NFL career, had arthritis(spelling?) in his knees and hands, and I just feel that somewhere along the line there would've been more than just a cut on OJ's fingers. But this is one of those debates where one person believes one thing and another believes something else. No one will ever know the truth except for OJ, Nicole, and Ron.
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Post by BRV on Feb 3, 2016 18:25:48 GMT -5
I thought the first episode was awesome. If that were a show streaming on Netflix, Amazon Video, or Hulu, I would have immediately started watching the second episode, despite the fact that it was almost 11:30 at night. I don't know if it'll have staying power once they get into the courtroom and get bogged down with legalese and trivial court minutiae (which really dragged down the middle episodes of "Making a Murderer", to make a comparison), but they hit it out of the park with the first episode and I've got a feeling that the second episode - which apparently revolves entirely around the infamous Bronco chase - will be just as enthralling.
I think another reason why I was so impressed by it is because I had fairly low expectations going in due to the pairing of Brad Falchuk and Ryan Murphy being involved as executive producers. I was afraid that they'd put their patented weird, fetishized, overtly-sexual trademark all over the show and instead of being a gripping true crime story, but I was happy to see that wasn't the case. Hopefully it stays that way.
And since we're all opining on the case, yeah, O.J. Simpson was guilty as f***. The prosecution couldn't have screwed up any worse and there's a reason his legal team was nicknamed "the dream team". They did their jobs and made the prosecutors look like high school students in a mock courtroom. But that doesn't change my belief that he was 100 percent guilty. It was a gripping trial to watch and it would be even more intriguing now, in that it was a battle of one side blaming institutionalized racism and corrupt cops versus another side pointing the finger at a pattern of violence against women and athletes receiving preferential treatment. To watch that battle play out, especially in the age of social media, would be fascinating.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Feb 3, 2016 22:53:58 GMT -5
I was kinda hoping this thread would be about the show, which had an amazing ensemble performance in Episode 1. Cuba Gooding, Jr may not look like him, but he is acting his butt off. All around, memorable characters who get it in first episode.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 4, 2016 9:20:37 GMT -5
The OJ trial foreshadowed the darkness the Kardashian family would eventually bring upon the world. And in case you forgot that, the first part made sure to mention it often. It kind of reminds me of how the DVD release of Follow That Bird has Elmo on the cover. "Little Kimmy"? No....BIG POOCHIE!
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 4, 2016 10:08:11 GMT -5
I think another reason why I was so impressed by it is because I had fairly low expectations going in due to the pairing of Brad Falchuk and Ryan Murphy being involved as executive producers. I was afraid that they'd put their patented weird, fetishized, overtly-sexual trademark all over the show and instead of being a gripping true crime story, but I was happy to see that wasn't the case. Hopefully it stays that way. Aside from directing a couple of episodes, Murphy apparently has limited involvement in this. No writing credits. Thank goodness for that.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Feb 5, 2016 9:06:05 GMT -5
I saw part of the show the other day. I thought this was yet another documentary, but its a dramatic retelling. I guess I'll see the first episode and depending on that I may watch the rest. I still think this case gets way too much attention though. There are plenty of true crime cases involving domestic abuse that should have gotten the spotlight instead. But judging by the second season being Hurricane Katrina, it seems they're only interested and retelling prominent mainstream cases.
Speaking of which, if this is supposed to be a true crime series why is Hurricane Katrina supposed to be season two? FEMA was incompetent in its handling of the disaster relief, but isn't a show like this supposed to be about murders?
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Post by cageking666 on Feb 9, 2016 23:06:56 GMT -5
Tonight's episode proves that everyone is acting their asses off
The MVP in my opinion is going to be Travolta, no questions
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Feb 9, 2016 23:48:36 GMT -5
Just read somewhere that it took the producers a year to get a permit to film on the LA freeway, because the city did not want it to be shut down.
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Post by Killah Ray on Feb 10, 2016 0:02:11 GMT -5
I saw part of the show the other day. I thought this was yet another documentary, but its a dramatic retelling. I guess I'll see the first episode and depending on that I may watch the rest. I still think this case gets way too much attention though. There are plenty of true crime cases involving domestic abuse that should have gotten the spotlight instead. But judging by the second season being Hurricane Katrina, it seems they're only interested and retelling prominent mainstream cases. Speaking of which, if this is supposed to be a true crime series why is Hurricane Katrina supposed to be season two? FEMA was incompetent in its handling of the disaster relief, but isn't a show like this supposed to be about murders? They could bring up the murders on the bridge...
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