comahan
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Post by comahan on Feb 10, 2016 13:23:20 GMT -5
Its really hard for there to be truly despicable heels now, because any time a heel does anything vile, people will look past them and bitch at the company for writing/allowing something so "classless/disgusting". Im all for a total asshole of a heel saying all kinds of things, but it would never fly with the way things are atm.
Heels dont get the heat anymore, the company does.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 10, 2016 13:27:14 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the most dastardly right now. With a little more leeway, Kevin Owens, the Wyatt Family and the Dudley Boyz could be right there.
If you want to see how sick Bubba Ray can be, watch his promo from Heatwave 1999.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 10, 2016 13:32:32 GMT -5
Its really hard for there to be truly despicable heels now, because any time a heel does anything vile, people will look past them and bitch at the company for writing/allowing something so "classless/disgusting". Im all for a total asshole of a heel saying all kinds of things, but it would never fly with the way things are atm. Heels dont get the heat anymore, the company does. I'd say it's more that people have a misunderstanding about heels, and that hurts their ability to get heat. You're not supposed to boo a heel because you hate them, you're supposed to boo a heel because it's fun to get involved in the show. But the audience's fear of getting worked, and the WWE's intense dedication to making everything black-or-white, really gets in the way of that. Part of it is higher standards, though. There needs to be some reason WHY someone is evil... what they get out of it. Saying and doing things just to get booed is not only transparent, it's mystifying.
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JCBaggee
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Post by JCBaggee on Feb 10, 2016 13:39:21 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the most dastardly right now. But he's not evil, he's just a dick. In fact, he's worse, he's a coward.
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Post by TheFadedSpade on Feb 10, 2016 13:41:09 GMT -5
But even then Kevin Owens is a guy doing it for his family. He's a dick and a bad loser but in no real way "evil." Doing it for his family is and always has been a blatant bullshit excuse he uses to justify his actions. If he was just doing it for his family he wouldn't have powerbombed Sami Zayne into oblivion without even attempting a pinfall. IF he was doing it for his family he wouldn't have demanded a rematch with Cena so he could injure him only because his son asked him if Cena was ok. He wouldn't have beaten the crap out of Neville for getting a flash pinfall on him if he was just doing it for his family and trying to make money. Owens is an asshole bully that wants to hurt people. Ah love it Maggle!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 10, 2016 13:41:40 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the most dastardly right now. But he's not evil, he's just a dick. In fact, he's worse, he's a coward. Well he did flat out try to kill Dean Ambrose a few times.
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Post by JCBaggee on Feb 10, 2016 13:42:26 GMT -5
But he's not evil, he's just a dick. In fact, he's worse, he's a coward. Well he did flat out try to kill Dean Ambrose a few times. That's like trying to kill Wile E. Coyote.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 10, 2016 13:55:52 GMT -5
Well he did flat out try to kill Dean Ambrose a few times. That's like trying to kill Wile E. Coyote. What about threatening to snap a retired wrestlers neck to force John Cena's hand so he'll reinstate the Authority? That count?
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 10, 2016 14:00:06 GMT -5
That's like trying to kill Wile E. Coyote. What about threatening to snap a retired wrestlers neck to force John Cena's hand so he'll reinstate the Authority? That count? Mind you said wrestler retired of because of said neck and didn't want to be in a wheelchair. And he hit his retired partner in the head and that guy suffered from concussions. Man, Seth is a slimy piece of shit isn't he?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 10, 2016 14:01:37 GMT -5
What about threatening to snap a retired wrestlers neck to force John Cena's hand so he'll reinstate the Authority? That count? Mind you said wrestler retired of because of said neck and didn't want to be in a wheelchair. And he hit his retired partner in the head and that guy suffered from concussions. Man, Seth is a slimy piece of shit isn't he? That was the point where Seth crossed the line forever in my eyes.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 10, 2016 14:03:22 GMT -5
That's like trying to kill Wile E. Coyote. What about threatening to snap a retired wrestlers neck to force John Cena's hand so he'll reinstate the Authority? That count? And even flat out saying "I'll kill him anyway" even after Cena gave in to his demands.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 10, 2016 14:04:24 GMT -5
None really.
No heel (or face for that matter) has any motivation anymore.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 10, 2016 14:22:27 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the most dastardly right now. But he's not evil, he's just a dick. In fact, he's worse, he's a coward. Seth threatened to cripple Edge to get what he wanted. Then, when he got what he wanted, he still tried to go through with it. That's pretty evil if you ask me. Granted, he didn't do things like that too often, but even once is more than pretty much the entire roster.
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Post by saneiac on Feb 10, 2016 16:32:10 GMT -5
Part of it is higher standards, though. There needs to be some reason WHY someone is evil... what they get out of it. Saying and doing things just to get booed is not only transparent, it's mystifying. I think the original post was looking for someone being evil without a WHY , or at least no reason other than personal enjoyment of causing misery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 16:49:54 GMT -5
I hope they are just becoming more nuanced with their motivations to suit a changing audience. Rollins attempted murder and Punks mocking of Paul Bearers passing were good to watch but did come across as hammy and trying too hard at times.
In 2016 audiences want their villains to be more Walter White and less Dick Dastardly.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 10, 2016 17:30:07 GMT -5
The problem is, for a guy to be able to convincingly play a role, often he'll need to find some aspect of it that he can identify with. Especially when he's not much of an actor in the first place (as wrestlers aren't). So asking him to be outright evil incarnate is a bit of a hefty challenge. Bossman did it because he just embraced the craziness and ran with it. But it was hammy as hell, all the same. Even threatening or attempting murder the way it's been done in the WWE doesn't make you clearly evil, if you can justify it in your own mind.
They're better off just having the heels be dicks who enjoy being dicks, like Kevin Owens and Baron Corbin. That's a lot easier to get fans to understand and buy.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 10, 2016 17:34:08 GMT -5
Titus O'Neil roughly manhandled a senior citizen.
That's gotta count for something.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 10, 2016 18:44:15 GMT -5
I hope they are just becoming more nuanced with their motivations to suit a changing audience. Rollins attempted murder and Punks mocking of Paul Bearers passing were good to watch but did come across as hammy and trying too hard at times. In 2016 audiences want their villains to be more Walter White and less Dick Dastardly. Honestly, Seth was on some Jake Roberts shit. Ain't nothing cartoony about crushing somebody's head on Cinderblocks.
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Post by Modern Day Maharaja on Feb 11, 2016 6:46:11 GMT -5
I would have loved to see Mike Knox get pushed further after his attack on Rey Mysterio. He was asked what he has against Mysterio and he simply stated that he attacked Rey for no reason. That would have combined well with his knowledge of biology and human anatomy that he used in 2009 or 2010.
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Post by Dang! on Feb 11, 2016 14:42:53 GMT -5
I hope Baron Corbin will be molded into an evil heel once he gets called up. The Wyatts have become too much of a joke. Corbin has everything to be a hated, sadistic, dominant heel. They should even go as far and keep him away from charity stuff or breaking kayfabe when on tour. He's already portrayed as an asshole from the little I've seen of the "reality" formats of WWE. They should build on that and have him be a dick to fans on tour and such.
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