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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 28, 2016 18:06:05 GMT -5
A new Hellraiser film has been announced and with it a slew of cast members. The log line for the film appears to be: In Hellraiser: Judgment, “Detectives Sean and David Carter are on the case to find a gruesome serial killer terrorizing the city. Joining forces with Detective Christine Egerton, they dig deeper into a spiraling maze of horror that may not be of this world. Could the Judgment awaiting the killer’s victims also be waiting for Sean?“ Bloody-Disgusting reports that our new Pinhead is Paul T. Taylor who the director Gary Tunnicliffe describes as “a classically trained stage and film actor who brings a great physical presence and more than a hint of Peter Cushing and Ralph Fiennes.” Tunnicliffe has worked in the FX part of the movie industry, while honestly dabbling in the majority of roles available for a worker in the film industry, for over 20 years which is a promising sign for the effects in the upcoming film. Paul T. Taylor Demo Reel as found on YouTube: Other casting includes: Humans: Damon Carney as ‘Detective Sean Carter’ Randy Wayne as ‘Detective David Carter’ Alexandra Harris as ‘Detective Christine Egerton’. Heather Langenkamp, as‘The Landlady’ Cenobites: John Gulagher – (Director of Feast and Piranha 3DD) – as ‘The Assessor’! Diane Ayala Goldner as ‘The Cleaner' /Mike Jay Regan returns as ‘Chatterer’! And more is listed in the linked Bloody Disgusting article. Looks like this one isn't just a "Throw away to keep the rights" film although it does sound like they may be reigning back to make Pinhead more a character among characters instead of the lead. I guess that's what happens when you can't get Bradley back. More Story Details as well as depictions of the new Cenobites can be found here.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 28, 2016 18:34:15 GMT -5
So is it a proper sequel or another "oh shit we forgot we have to release a new film to keep the rights" sequel? Because the plot synopsis kind of makes it sound more like the latter kind and we've already had "serial killer cop story" Hellraiser, although I suppose Inferno was one of the better post-Hellbound sequels.
I really want the Hellraiser franchise to keep going as I think there is still a lot of potential left untapped and I absolutely love the concept of the Cenobites, it's just that with every new movie I lose a bit more hope of having another story that follows the themes of the first two movies. It's pretty sad that Revelations is the one that felt the most like Hellraiser afterwards.
But still, I want to believe that they'll finally get it right again. I'm actually kind of glad that they're apparently shifting the focus a bit away from Pinhead as it should allow them to develop the lore a bit more and show other leaders of Hell and their Gashes. Also, this Taylor guy certainly has the looks to play Pinhead so I think he could do well. Those are some big shoes to fill, though.
Look, just... at the very least, two things I want from this movie:
- R-rating minimum. There's no way in Hell (no pun intended) that Hellraiser can work with a PG-13 rating;
- NO. JUMP SCARES. Jump scares are the death of horror.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Feb 28, 2016 18:39:00 GMT -5
This will suck.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 18:50:28 GMT -5
No Bradley no thanks.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 28, 2016 19:08:18 GMT -5
Hellraiser can go 2 ways
1) A sequel/Reboot with a different actor playing Pinhead 2) A Sequel/Reboot with a new leader because Pinhead is too linked to Bradley
I'd rather a reboot with a new leader, I know Pinhead is the face of the Franchise but he's also it's biggest hindrance because Bradley is too connected to the role ala Englund as Freddy.
That's the kind of Remake I like, keeps the core concept but adds it's own flavour (The Thing, The Fly)
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Feb 28, 2016 19:41:40 GMT -5
Hellraiser can go 2 ways 1) A sequel/Reboot with a different actor playing Pinhead 2) A Sequel/Reboot with a new leader because Pinhead is too linked to Bradley I'd rather a reboot with a new leader, I know Pinhead is the face of the Franchise but he's also it's biggest hindrance because Bradley is too connected to the role ala Englund as Freddy. That's the kind of Remake I like, keeps the core concept but adds it's own flavour (The Thing, The Fly) Never thought about that, that trying to keep Pinhead in it could be a drawback. Nothing saying there can't be a new batch of Cenobites, maybe ones that overthrew Pinhead and his group?
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Post by Jiren on Feb 28, 2016 19:46:45 GMT -5
Hellraiser can go 2 ways 1) A sequel/Reboot with a different actor playing Pinhead 2) A Sequel/Reboot with a new leader because Pinhead is too linked to Bradley I'd rather a reboot with a new leader, I know Pinhead is the face of the Franchise but he's also it's biggest hindrance because Bradley is too connected to the role ala Englund as Freddy. That's the kind of Remake I like, keeps the core concept but adds it's own flavour (The Thing, The Fly) Never thought about that, that trying to keep Pinhead in it could be a drawback. Nothing saying there can't be a new batch of Cenobites, maybe ones that overthrew Pinhead and his group? Or just a new group If you count the expanded universe then their's shitloads of Cenobites, Pinhead could have been the leader of THAT particular group
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 28, 2016 19:48:30 GMT -5
Hellraiser can go 2 ways 1) A sequel/Reboot with a different actor playing Pinhead 2) A Sequel/Reboot with a new leader because Pinhead is too linked to Bradley I'd rather a reboot with a new leader, I know Pinhead is the face of the Franchise but he's also it's biggest hindrance because Bradley is too connected to the role ala Englund as Freddy. That's the kind of Remake I like, keeps the core concept but adds it's own flavour (The Thing, The Fly) Never thought about that, that trying to keep Pinhead in it could be a drawback. Nothing saying there can't be a new batch of Cenobites, maybe ones that overthrew Pinhead and his group? That's actually something that makes me hopeful about this, that they're not getting rid of Pinhead outright, just putting him in a lesser role and focusing more on other Cenobites.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 29, 2016 4:00:09 GMT -5
And yet I'm still waiting for a Night Breed sequel...
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 29, 2016 4:27:53 GMT -5
If they have to use Pinhead, they're never going to match Bradley, so why not go with the breathy-voiced female Pinhead of The Hellbound Heart? Not that I think the writers of most of the post-Hellraiser II movies ever read it, given how completely they missed the point of the franchise.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Feb 29, 2016 9:54:26 GMT -5
And yet I'm still waiting for a Night Breed sequel... The way the studio massacred the theatrical cut wouldn't exactly have me clamoring for a sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 11:11:39 GMT -5
Hellraiser can go 2 ways 1) A sequel/Reboot with a different actor playing Pinhead 2) A Sequel/Reboot with a new leader because Pinhead is too linked to Bradley I'd rather a reboot with a new leader, I know Pinhead is the face of the Franchise but he's also it's biggest hindrance because Bradley is too connected to the role ala Englund as Freddy. That's the kind of Remake I like, keeps the core concept but adds it's own flavour (The Thing, The Fly) Or if Doug Bradley doesn't want to be Pinhead anymore they could just stop making the damn things.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 29, 2016 11:25:51 GMT -5
Another thing I think will make or break the film is the main character. What made the first two films so special to me is Kirsty. She's a very relatable everywoman but she is also very competent and can turn into a straight-up badass in the face of danger. I love how she alternates between terrified and determined, as if she's scared out of her mind but also has adrenaline going wild through her veins, driving her to beat this thing.
She even shows hints of fascination for the Cenobites' world. It feels like she is the personification of controlled fantasies: she's curious about these beings and would love to know what getting maimed like them feels like, but not at the price of losing the rest of her identity. This of course is contrasted by Frank and Julia, who fully embrace their fantasies but lose control and let it consume them.
If they could recreate that feeling or give us someone equally relatable and interesting, it could be the difference maker.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 29, 2016 11:28:06 GMT -5
Hellraiser can go 2 ways 1) A sequel/Reboot with a different actor playing Pinhead 2) A Sequel/Reboot with a new leader because Pinhead is too linked to Bradley I'd rather a reboot with a new leader, I know Pinhead is the face of the Franchise but he's also it's biggest hindrance because Bradley is too connected to the role ala Englund as Freddy. That's the kind of Remake I like, keeps the core concept but adds it's own flavour (The Thing, The Fly) Or if Doug Bradley doesn't want to be Pinhead anymore they could just stop making the damn things. Why There's more to the Hellraiser lore than Pinhead & Doug Bradley
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 11:45:53 GMT -5
Or if Doug Bradley doesn't want to be Pinhead anymore they could just stop making the damn things. Why There's more to the Hellraiser lore than Pinhead & Doug Bradley Yes but only to the hardcore fanatics of it. To most movie goers, Doug Bradley as Pinhead and the Hellraiser series means the same thing. Most people aren't going to see a movie without him. People barely watch Hellraiser movies as it is which is why the last at least five movies were straight to video. Making a non-Pinhead one is just going to shrink the audience further, and probably not be profitable for the studio. Even a Nightmare On Elm Street without Robert Enguland as Freddy couldn't find an audience, and that franchise was way more successful than Hellraiser.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Feb 29, 2016 11:52:41 GMT -5
Why There's more to the Hellraiser lore than Pinhead & Doug Bradley Yes but only to the hardcore fanatics of it. To most movie goers, Doug Bradley as Pinhead and the Hellraiser series means the same thing. Most people aren't going to see a movie without him. People barely watch Hellraiser movies as it is which is why the last at least five movies were straight to video. Making a non-Pinhead one is just going to shrink the audience further, and probably not be profitable for the studio. Even a Nightmare On Elm Street without Robert Enguland as Freddy couldn't find an audience, and that franchise was way more successful than Hellraiser. The Nightmare on Elm Street remake couldn't find an audience because it was garbage. Hellraiser's relative obscurity to the general public could also be its strength. If the movie itself is good, the general public won't know they are missing Pinhead.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 29, 2016 12:47:21 GMT -5
Is it because Bradley doesn't want to play Pinhead anymore or they wont cast him? Just saw him in one of the Wrong Turn sequels and he's barely aged.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 13:34:37 GMT -5
Yes but only to the hardcore fanatics of it. To most movie goers, Doug Bradley as Pinhead and the Hellraiser series means the same thing. Most people aren't going to see a movie without him. People barely watch Hellraiser movies as it is which is why the last at least five movies were straight to video. Making a non-Pinhead one is just going to shrink the audience further, and probably not be profitable for the studio. Even a Nightmare On Elm Street without Robert Enguland as Freddy couldn't find an audience, and that franchise was way more successful than Hellraiser. The Nightmare on Elm Street remake couldn't find an audience because it was garbage. Hellraiser's relative obscurity to the general public could also be its strength. If the movie itself is good, the general public won't know they are missing Pinhead. Everyone knows that Hellraiser is the series with Pinhead, it's not as obscure as you think. They will know what they are missing. I hope for Hellraiser fanatics that you are right though, and that you get a movie that makes your fandom happy.
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 29, 2016 13:53:01 GMT -5
Is it because Bradley doesn't want to play Pinhead anymore or they wont cast him? Just saw him in one of the Wrong Turn sequels and he's barely aged. Bradley and the director Tunnicliffe got into a spat. Tunnicliffe posted on Facebook:
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