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Post by xCompackx on Mar 26, 2016 18:53:56 GMT -5
again not to defend TNA, but companies like ROH, AAA, Lucha Underground, New Japan, and others have done similar things That's true. WWE just had a situation a few months ago with Del Rio and AAA, although that's a bit different since I don't think WWE ever outright promised AAA that Del Rio would come back to drop the title and he technically had no real obligation to do so since he wasn't under contract. Yeah, that seemed like a Del Rio thing to me. WWE's always been good about keeping agreements if they can.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 26, 2016 19:18:12 GMT -5
So a week before the show TNA pulls EC3 due to a network commitment, but they just allowed their World Champion to be in another promotion.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Mar 26, 2016 20:33:28 GMT -5
So a week before the show TNA pulls EC3 due to a network commitment, but they just allowed their World Champion to be in another promotion. T.n.a. and logic are not in the same universe.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 26, 2016 20:36:26 GMT -5
And these carny assholes seriously wanted to make money off pawning their talent off to indie companies. No wonder people don't want to do business with them. FFS, if you are gonna take ECIII off the show at such short notice, the very least you can do is send over somebody else on your roster instead of just going, "we can't do anything, sorry." That'd be OK if PCW wasn't an entire ocean away. They'd need plane tickets, Visas, etc...
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 26, 2016 21:23:11 GMT -5
And these carny assholes seriously wanted to make money off pawning their talent off to indie companies. No wonder people don't want to do business with them. FFS, if you are gonna take ECIII off the show at such short notice, the very least you can do is send over somebody else on your roster instead of just going, "we can't do anything, sorry." That'd be OK if PCW wasn't an entire ocean away. They'd need plane tickets, Visas, etc... And again, they were just in the Uk themselves not long ago. It's not like they've never been there or that literally none of their talent has visas to work over there. Plane tickets are a different issues but at the same time, I feel like that's not impossible to get if you really scrambled to make it work. Again, not knowledgeable about this stuff so maybe tickets to the uk that weekend are just sold out or something but it really does read like TNA wasn't even gonna try to make it work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 21:28:07 GMT -5
And this kind of thing, combined with the overcharging, is why the last time TNA controlled their talent's indy bookings people eventually just stopped bringing them in.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 26, 2016 22:29:17 GMT -5
First an update: That'd be OK if PCW wasn't an entire ocean away. They'd need plane tickets, Visas, etc... And again, they were just in the Uk themselves not long ago. It's not like they've never been there or that literally none of their talent has visas to work over there. Plane tickets are a different issues but at the same time, I feel like that's not impossible to get if you really scrambled to make it work. Again, not knowledgeable about this stuff so maybe tickets to the uk that weekend are just sold out or something but it really does read like TNA wasn't even gonna try to make it work. Cannot be 100% on this but in the US, the employer holds the visa, not the wrestler. It is why Angelina Love was fired at one point, she was caught using her WWE visa after getting fired and while working for TNA. She lost six months of her career thanks to that. If it is the same in the UK, there would not be enough time. They could go the route of "Oh, I'm just visiting" but they get caught, they're banned for years like Salyiza Sparx and Mike Bailey are now.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 26, 2016 22:50:07 GMT -5
First an update: And again, they were just in the Uk themselves not long ago. It's not like they've never been there or that literally none of their talent has visas to work over there. Plane tickets are a different issues but at the same time, I feel like that's not impossible to get if you really scrambled to make it work. Again, not knowledgeable about this stuff so maybe tickets to the uk that weekend are just sold out or something but it really does read like TNA wasn't even gonna try to make it work. Cannot be 100% on this but in the US, the employer holds the visa, not the wrestler. It is why Angelina Love was fired at one point, she was caught using her WWE visa after getting fired and while working for TNA. She lost six months of her career thanks to that. If it is the same in the UK, there would not be enough time. They could go the route of "Oh, I'm just visiting" but they get caught, they're banned for years like Salyiza Sparx and Mike Bailey are now. But would those TNA visas not be good only a few months after they went to the country? That's more my question/point. I'm just confused how they were able to do a bunch of shows over there in Jan. (where they brought in their own talent) and now in March, they can't send anybody under contract over. Like I said, I'm pretty ignorant as to how this visa stuff works so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But, it just seems a bit odd to me. Then again, it sounds like TNA actually does have something of a legitimate claim here if the booking wasn't made through their office and they do have that right to use their talent first above anybody else.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 26, 2016 23:47:22 GMT -5
That'd be OK if PCW wasn't an entire ocean away. They'd need plane tickets, Visas, etc... And again, they were just in the Uk themselves not long ago. It's not like they've never been there or that literally none of their talent has visas to work over there. Plane tickets are a different issues but at the same time, I feel like that's not impossible to get if you really scrambled to make it work. Again, not knowledgeable about this stuff so maybe tickets to the uk that weekend are just sold out or something but it really does read like TNA wasn't even gonna try to make it work. It's the Easter school holidays. All travel has probably been sold out for months, and costs more than EC3's booking fee probably is.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 26, 2016 23:50:59 GMT -5
And again, they were just in the Uk themselves not long ago. It's not like they've never been there or that literally none of their talent has visas to work over there. Plane tickets are a different issues but at the same time, I feel like that's not impossible to get if you really scrambled to make it work. Again, not knowledgeable about this stuff so maybe tickets to the uk that weekend are just sold out or something but it really does read like TNA wasn't even gonna try to make it work. It's the Easter school holidays. All travel has probably been sold out for months, and costs more than EC3's booking fee probably is. But TNA themselves outright said that PCW hadn't even purchased a ticket yet. If that was the case, how was PCW even planning on bringing this dude in? Something's really not adding up here.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 27, 2016 4:45:31 GMT -5
Good point - last year, PCW tried twice to bring in PJ Black/Justin Gabriel, but failed both times citing visa issues. Later in the year, he was successfully brought in by Southside and Revolution Pro. Seems to me Fludder doesn't handle certain international bookings very well.
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Post by alexwrightspackage on Mar 27, 2016 9:23:27 GMT -5
First an update: And again, they were just in the Uk themselves not long ago. It's not like they've never been there or that literally none of their talent has visas to work over there. Plane tickets are a different issues but at the same time, I feel like that's not impossible to get if you really scrambled to make it work. Again, not knowledgeable about this stuff so maybe tickets to the uk that weekend are just sold out or something but it really does read like TNA wasn't even gonna try to make it work. Cannot be 100% on this but in the US, the employer holds the visa, not the wrestler. It is why Angelina Love was fired at one point, she was caught using her WWE visa after getting fired and while working for TNA. She lost six months of her career thanks to that. If it is the same in the UK, there would not be enough time. They could go the route of "Oh, I'm just visiting" but they get caught, they're banned for years like Salyiza Sparx and Mike Bailey are now. As an ex-pat, I can confirm that for short-term visas, the employer holds them: the person can only work for that company. I couldn't apply anywhere else, as my visa says I can only work for my sponsor company.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 27, 2016 9:39:34 GMT -5
It's the Easter school holidays. All travel has probably been sold out for months, and costs more than EC3's booking fee probably is. But TNA themselves outright said that PCW hadn't even purchased a ticket yet. If that was the case, how was PCW even planning on bringing this dude in? Something's really not adding up here. Personal opinion? Both sides are to blame, but because badmouthing TNA will get you a pop the owner did that. We all know TNA's reputation isn't great with fans right now so to play more people against them is a smart move. It'll get him and his company some buzz. But again, I've seen companies do the same thing that people like. Lucha Underground has pulled Richochet and Sami Callihan off of CZW the week of those shows for TV tapings. When ROH first started signing people to exclusive contracts they told promoters their talent could not appear on ippvs which hurt sales, and even pulled guys off of shows cause they didn't like their guys losing. Does that make anybody involved look bad? It absolutely can, but it happens. AND EC3 has posted this...
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Mar 27, 2016 10:14:08 GMT -5
Not that I agree with what TNA did by any stretch, why is it whenever something like this happens the promoters start going off like a teenager on Facebook who has found out their partner of 1 week has cheated on them?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 27, 2016 10:23:30 GMT -5
It's the Easter school holidays. All travel has probably been sold out for months, and costs more than EC3's booking fee probably is. But TNA themselves outright said that PCW hadn't even purchased a ticket yet. If that was the case, how was PCW even planning on bringing this dude in? Something's really not adding up here. I got nothing.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 27, 2016 20:25:44 GMT -5
And if TNA scheduled like a real company then this wouldn't have happened so I'm still blaming TNA
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 28, 2016 4:17:25 GMT -5
And if TNA scheduled like a real company then this wouldn't have happened so I'm still blaming TNA How so? EC3 booked himself without TNA's knowledge if the reports are to be believed. When TNA found out, and they had a prior commitment which involved EC3, and they have dibs on using EC3 first due to contracts, they were in the right to pull him from the UK shows. This is a great example of why you'd want to book TNA talent through TNA offices.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 28, 2016 4:27:42 GMT -5
And if TNA scheduled like a real company then this wouldn't have happened so I'm still blaming TNA How so? EC3 booked himself without TNA's knowledge if the reports are to be believed. When TNA found out, and they had a prior commitment which involved EC3, and they have dibs on using EC3 first due to contracts, they were in the right to pull him from the UK shows. This is a great example of why you'd want to book TNA talent through TNA offices. Maybe TNA should inform EC3 of engagements a week before he has to do something. Make it clear to EC3 that "we need you to do something here on this date" ahead of time
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 28, 2016 4:43:12 GMT -5
How so? EC3 booked himself without TNA's knowledge if the reports are to be believed. When TNA found out, and they had a prior commitment which involved EC3, and they have dibs on using EC3 first due to contracts, they were in the right to pull him from the UK shows. This is a great example of why you'd want to book TNA talent through TNA offices. Maybe TNA should inform EC3 of engagements a week before he has to do something. Make it clear to EC3 that "we need you to do something here on this date" ahead of time That I agree with. Edit: But on the other hand, if EC3 wants to book himself, it's also up to him to make sure he's free those dates, since TNA has dibs on him.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 28, 2016 17:12:00 GMT -5
There's two ways to look at it. TNA did have the right to pull him for these shows, without question. At the same time, this could have been easily avoided if TNA informed their talent of future dates far more in advance (especially since they know that talent can book their own dates so duh that guys would book themselves during the biggest wrestling weekend of the year). This also isn't the best endorsement for TNA because their new contracts require them to develop a good relationship with indie promoters so they are actually willing to book their talent through the TNA office.
So, TNA was justified in doing this BUT for their sake, I hope there is a good reason that absolutely required ECIII because it's not a good look.
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