Nr1Humanoid
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 29, 2016 11:57:50 GMT -5
I recently watched some ECW Taz matches where he was presented as the world's greatest bad ass but damned if all I could see was the crappy commentator he became. I just couldn't suspend my disbelief anymore.
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Dennis Stamp
Big Money, Big Prizes, I Love It!
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Post by SmashTV on Mar 29, 2016 12:20:15 GMT -5
I don't know if this is quite what you mean, but as a 13 year old Brutus Beefcake was my favourite wrestler, with cool music, jazzy outfits and a great gimmick.
Nowadays I just see him as a Hogan lackey who benefitted very well from the friendship.
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Unicron
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Post by Bad Moon on Mar 29, 2016 12:23:39 GMT -5
As strange and morbid as it sounds, the Benoit tragedy retroactively turned him into a fantastic monster heel. Especially in his early ECW/WCW stuff, watching some of those matches I kept thinking "He's about to snap and murder that guy"
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Post by government mule on Mar 29, 2016 12:57:38 GMT -5
I can never truely appreciate a Shawn Michaels match after knowing just what a c*** he was from 95-97. I know other people have been just as bad if not worse, but Michaels is one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time and to be aware of how much of a dick he was makes me uneasy watching and enjoying his stuff.
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Post by jmule on Mar 29, 2016 13:04:14 GMT -5
Hogan.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 29, 2016 13:24:35 GMT -5
No, not really. Hogan is an idiot in real life, but I can still enjoy lot of his older work.
Same with Flair, he seems to be doing better these days but his personal misadventures didn't change my opinion of his 80's and early 90's work, which is still amazing. With Benoit, the murders didn't help matters but I was never a die hard fan to begin with.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Mar 29, 2016 14:48:15 GMT -5
I can never truely appreciate a Shawn Michaels match after knowing just what a c*** he was from 95-97. I know other people have been just as bad if not worse, but Michaels is one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time and to be aware of how much of a dick he was makes me uneasy watching and enjoying his stuff. I said in another thread that I find him unbearable, and the cynic in me worries that he's not the reformed born again Christian he'd like us to believe. I'm 99% sure he is though. On topic, when watching the network and DX circa 97,I find HHH incessantly talking about his dick embarrassing and puerile. This is one of the reasons I still can't stand him. Just hope his kids never Google him in that era
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 15:30:26 GMT -5
I tend not to get in the habit of letting someone's real life baggage get in the way of my opinion of their work, there are exceptions, like I don't actively seek a Chris Benoit match but if it's on a show I'm watching I won't turn it off and can still appreciate it in the context of what it was.
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Post by devondragon on Mar 29, 2016 18:00:30 GMT -5
I find it hard to watch old ECW matches as an adult who can fully appreciate what they were doing to themselves.
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Post by lws on Mar 29, 2016 20:48:57 GMT -5
a little bit with guys like benoit or buck zumhofe, but its not like any of them other than benoit really made that huge of an impact. i watch lots of ecw too and history affects my perspective of guys like sandman and sabu knowing they're on drugs and literally just hoping shit works out, and other times tommy dreamer and mick foley do things that make me think like, holy shit, guys, be careful. but taz in particular is built up fantastically in ecw, and the fact he was a goofy announcer in wwe and tna did nothing to change that for me.
i've always been pretty cynical about people being shitty people, but having a career change or a character change down the line doesn't effect the work you did at the time in the slightest.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 29, 2016 20:59:39 GMT -5
For me it depends on how the past shaped the negatives in the present to affect me.
For example, the AJPW matches in the 90's are really cool to see, but everytime that I see some nasty bump, I can't stop thinking how much this matches affected the quality of life in the 4 corners of the company, and specially how much this was an influence on Misawa's Death. Moves like the Ganso Bomb and the Burning Hammer were cool moves for me until I learned all the issues that provoked on the wrestlers that received them
Same with Benoit, if a bump seems to had contribuited on his mental issues later, my perception to he wrestler/match will change.
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Post by Clawley Race on Mar 29, 2016 21:45:00 GMT -5
Not at all, just as it doesn't for most/all actors/musicians/athletes...especially because wrestlers are all on 'my favorite team' in comparison to athletes.
Finding out an actor/musician/athlete is a big wrestling fan does change my perception of them at their craft though...
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 30, 2016 6:34:32 GMT -5
Of course it does. Fat, drunk, blubbering, grape-eating Matt Hardy ruins a lot of the qualities that made him a favorite of mine in the past, and hard to see him as anybody but the moron who gets into drunken taser fights with his wife for "fun".
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 30, 2016 6:39:02 GMT -5
With some people, it's hard not to look back on their work and enjoy it less once you've found out what an arse they were and still are, look at Marty Jannetty. I could never work out why he wasn't pushed way back when, now I totally get it and regret ever being a fan.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 30, 2016 6:40:45 GMT -5
I started watching WWE around the time DX ended, and all I ever heard from anyone was how great they were.
Then I got the network and wondered how any of the HBK era shit tipped the ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 7:11:34 GMT -5
I had a great dislike for Edge when he turned heel, because right around then that whole affair with Lita (which also legit ended his marriage) came to light. Never hated him before that, rather liked him from 2000-2002, then hated him, then went back to normal after he and Matt (moreorless) made peace, and now that he's a semi-regular doing the comedy schtick with Christian he's cool again.
But he was shut off the TV worthy for a while there.
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Post by willyjakes on Mar 30, 2016 11:32:46 GMT -5
If anything my respect and admiration for Hulk Hogan has increased.
Bret Hart...I haven't really lost respect for him, it's just that I always saw him as something of a normal, working mans champ who was honorable and above the fray and a sympathetic figure post Montreal. Now I see that he was just as messed up as everybody else, but of a petulant child, was and a huge mark for himself
Gained respect for Randy Savage. Seemed like a really great, loyal guy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 12:00:55 GMT -5
I've never looked at any form of entertainment as anything but just that entertainment I don't know these people personally so I only judge somebody based on performance.A lot of people that I know get so mad and turn on Wrestlers,Sports stars and celebrities when it comes out that their terrible human beings almost as if they've been betrayed by this complete stranger makes them a bad judge of character.
When I was a young child I was a big Hulk Hogan but I never thought he was a good or bad guy in real life because I don't care.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 30, 2016 15:30:27 GMT -5
Interesting question...I do fluctuate as far as needing my favorite celebrities not to be terrible people. For some reason it colors what wrestlers I enjoy watching a bit less. But there are exceptions.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 30, 2016 15:51:12 GMT -5
I had a great dislike for Edge when he turned heel, because right around then that whole affair with Lita (which also legit ended his marriage) came to light. Never hated him before that, rather liked him from 2000-2002, then hated him, then went back to normal after he and Matt (moreorless) made peace, and now that he's a semi-regular doing the comedy schtick with Christian he's cool again. But he was shut off the TV worthy for a while there. 2nd.
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