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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 8:35:06 GMT -5
It's a pretty good show. Far from the best ever or anything, but plenty watchable with a lot of good stuff on it, especially Foley / Edge. EDIT - It's also proof that you can have an 11-match card on a four-hour show and give each match enough time to breathe and tell a story without feeling rushed. Only two matches last longer than 15 minutes but only two are shorter than five minutes and each match hovers in the range of 8-14 minutes. That's what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. That's just so, so wrong when you consider a potential classic between three of the greats in close to their primes was cut short to a pathetic 11 minutes when it should have gone 20+. Get the Playboy Pillow Fight and the Boogeyman off the card and give the extra time to the triple threat. Honestly, we've found the absolute sweet spot in the last few years with 7-8 matches on the Main Show and an extended pre-show. The time management could have been a little better, particularly for the triple threat which could've benefited from about five more minutes, but Mania 22 handled its pacing WAY better than the modern ones. Mania having the same or less matches as most three hour PPVs on an annual basis is pathetic. |
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Post by joediego on Mar 31, 2016 9:07:08 GMT -5
No it's not, because it's Mania and I expect multiple 15 minute matches and a couple of 20+ matches. They are trying to create works of art that will be remembered forever - you don't do that on Night of Champions, and you can't do it in 9 or 11 minutes.
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Post by thirteen3 on Mar 31, 2016 9:20:26 GMT -5
This was my first live event and i couldn't believe Triple H tapped out. Just after he buried guys left and right and i refuse to believe that Triple H didn't want to bury Cena. The guy has no problem burying others in main events or other ppvs but he openly taps out here. F**k that My Cena hate was at it's apex at this time. I was actually ready to forgive Haitch for all his burials if he just f***in' buried Cena. also remember this gem? EDIT: and there's some naughty words in there as well. |
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Post by agent817 on Mar 31, 2016 11:32:15 GMT -5
EDIT - It's also proof that you can have an 11-match card on a four-hour show and give each match enough time to breathe and tell a story without feeling rushed. Only two matches last longer than 15 minutes but only two are shorter than five minutes and each match hovers in the range of 8-14 minutes. That's what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. That's just so, so wrong when you consider a potential classic between three of the greats in close to their primes was cut short to a pathetic 11 minutes when it should have gone 20+. Get the Playboy Pillow Fight and the Boogeyman off the card and give the extra time to the triple threat. Honestly, we've found the absolute sweet spot in the last few years with 7-8 matches on the Main Show and an extended pre-show. As great it is to see Torrie and Candice in their underwear, that match did not need to happen at all at the biggest show of the year. That triple threat match could have been much better if it was longer, but no, there had to be time to set up the ring with the bed and all that stupid stuff. As for The Boogeyman, that match was nothing more than a squash, so it wasn't like it was that much of a waste of time. Then again, I was a Boogeyman mark during that time. |
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 31, 2016 11:35:47 GMT -5
I forgot to mention Shawn Michaels vs. Vince McMahon. I thought that was a fun match, albeit a bit one-sided though, but I don't think it was good enough to earn Match of the Year. I agree. That was a weird choice by the readers of PWI. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 31, 2016 11:48:11 GMT -5
I remember Michael Cole's commentary during Money In The Bank being abysmal. He was hung up on the brand split to the point that it made him look stupid.
"Two SmackDown guys just helped a RAW guy pull another SmackDown guy off the ladder!"
No shit, Michael. They probably want to win the match themselves. What do you want them to do? "Oh, he's on my show, so I'll just let him win."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 11:57:57 GMT -5
This match is probably the only time I've rooted for HHH post year 2000, so of course this ends up being when he loses.
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Post by BRV on Mar 31, 2016 17:31:26 GMT -5
EDIT - It's also proof that you can have an 11-match card on a four-hour show and give each match enough time to breathe and tell a story without feeling rushed. Only two matches last longer than 15 minutes but only two are shorter than five minutes and each match hovers in the range of 8-14 minutes. That's what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. That's just so, so wrong when you consider a potential classic between three of the greats in close to their primes was cut short to a pathetic 11 minutes when it should have gone 20+. Get the Playboy Pillow Fight and the Boogeyman off the card and give the extra time to the triple threat. Honestly, we've found the absolute sweet spot in the last few years with 7-8 matches on the Main Show and an extended pre-show. I guess it's different strokes for different folks but I don't think a match has to be long for it to be good. For example, Ricky Steamboat and Randy Savage's all-time classic from WrestleMania III lasted less than 15 minutes. Personally, I can't stand WWE's current definition of a classic match, which is that it needs to be long, overbooked, and have people kicking out of a million finishers. There are other ways to build drama and tell a story. If the triple threat match at WrestleMania 22 lasted another 10 to 15 minutes, as you're suggesting, what would we have gotten? Rey Mysterio kicking out of a few RKOs while Randy Orton stomped around, frustrated that he couldn't finish him off? Orton kicking out of a few Angle Slams while Kurt Angle sat there in disbelief? To me, that's not what makes a good match. What made the triple threat work so perfectly for me was that in those nine minutes, it was frantic, chaotic, fast-paced and felt like it could end at any moment, and that's what all wrestling matches should aspire to be. I shouldn't be watching Kevin Owens wrestle John Cena and be thinking in my head, "Well, it's been 20 minutes. Owens kicked out of two AAs, but Cena's only kicked out of one Pop-Up Powerbomb, so that means Cena's kicking out of the next one, and that means the next guy after that to hit a finisher wins." At the same time, when the triple threat match did end, it didn't feel like the match had its legs cut out from it while it was still learning to walk. It was given enough time to breathe. The match told a story and was an epic and it was done in less than 10 minutes. In today's WWE main event structure, by the 10-minute mark, we aren't even at "finisher kickout no. 1" yet. |
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Post by benstudd on Mar 31, 2016 19:56:41 GMT -5
I always thought we should of got the Angle-Taker match at Mania instead of No Way Out and shove Mark Henry in the Triple Threat (Have Orton beat Kurt a couple weeks back due to Taker interference or something) Never understood why they did that. Only thing I can come up with is that they wanted Angle to beat Taker but wanted Taker to keep being undefeated at Mania so had Angle win at No Way Out. Or they wanted a Ray win but wanted to protect Orton so inserted Angle in their match. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 20:08:12 GMT -5
Good show, still kicking myself I didn't go.
I did talk a coworker into going. He sat under the picture of Ashley. He had a fun time, so that was cool.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 31, 2016 20:11:39 GMT -5
I forgot to mention Shawn Michaels vs. Vince McMahon. I thought that was a fun match, albeit a bit one-sided though, but I don't think it was good enough to earn Match of the Year. I agree. That was a weird choice by the readers of PWI. If I remember right the editors even say at the beginning they were disappointed in the choice. I think there was a notion that a Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania match automatically equaled match of the year even if it was...however you'd describe him vs. McMahon. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 31, 2016 20:25:13 GMT -5
We should have gotten Angle/Taker. Still, what we did get was a pretty good card that is often overlooked.
Angle/Mysterio/Orton was an awesome sprint
Cena/HHH was pretty good
Foley/Edge was a classic spectacle
HBK/Vince delivered as Vince was always good in that enviornment
Money in the Bank was damn good, though we've seen better
Mickie/Trish was awesome and ended the best women's rivalry in history
JBL/Benoit was decent enough
Sure the Tag Team Title match, Casket match, Boogeyman match and Pillow Fight were all lame but that's a lot of good to outweigh it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 31, 2016 20:27:05 GMT -5
EDIT - It's also proof that you can have an 11-match card on a four-hour show and give each match enough time to breathe and tell a story without feeling rushed. Only two matches last longer than 15 minutes but only two are shorter than five minutes and each match hovers in the range of 8-14 minutes. That's what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. That's just so, so wrong when you consider a potential classic between three of the greats in close to their primes was cut short to a pathetic 11 minutes when it should have gone 20+. Get the Playboy Pillow Fight and the Boogeyman off the card and give the extra time to the triple threat. Honestly, we've found the absolute sweet spot in the last few years with 7-8 matches on the Main Show and an extended pre-show. I don't know if adding ten more minutes to the Triple Threat would have been better. More isn't always better when it comes to matches. Sometimes an 11 minute sprint is the best way to go. Granted, the Boogeyman match and Pillow Fight were awful, but still. No it's not, because it's Mania and I expect multiple 15 minute matches and a couple of 20+ matches. They are trying to create works of art that will be remembered forever - you don't do that on Night of Champions, and you can't do it in 9 or 11 minutes. Who says you can't create works of art in 9-11 minutes? I know plenty of classics that have been 15 minutes or less. |
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Post by joediego on Apr 1, 2016 15:43:06 GMT -5
That's just so, so wrong when you consider a potential classic between three of the greats in close to their primes was cut short to a pathetic 11 minutes when it should have gone 20+. Get the Playboy Pillow Fight and the Boogeyman off the card and give the extra time to the triple threat. Honestly, we've found the absolute sweet spot in the last few years with 7-8 matches on the Main Show and an extended pre-show. I don't know if adding ten more minutes to the Triple Threat would have been better. More isn't always better when it comes to matches. Sometimes an 11 minute sprint is the best way to go. Granted, the Boogeyman match and Pillow Fight were awful, but still. No it's not, because it's Mania and I expect multiple 15 minute matches and a couple of 20+ matches. They are trying to create works of art that will be remembered forever - you don't do that on Night of Champions, and you can't do it in 9 or 11 minutes. Who says you can't create works of art in 9-11 minutes? I know plenty of classics that have been 15 minutes or less. List me the classics that have lasted 11 minutes or less |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 1, 2016 16:07:48 GMT -5
I don't know if adding ten more minutes to the Triple Threat would have been better. More isn't always better when it comes to matches. Sometimes an 11 minute sprint is the best way to go. Granted, the Boogeyman match and Pillow Fight were awful, but still. Who says you can't create works of art in 9-11 minutes? I know plenty of classics that have been 15 minutes or less. List me the classics that have lasted 11 minutes or less First, I should have said great match instead of classics. You can have a great match and tell a great story in 11 minutes or less. The theory that for a match to great it has to be this epic, long clash is one I disagree with. United States Tag Team Championship: The Midnight Express [c] vs. The Fantastics - Clash of the Champions I - 10:15 Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, Triple H and X-Pac vs. Cactus Jack, Rikishi, the Rock and Too Cool - Raw 2/7/00 - 10:09 NXT Championship: Adrian Neville [c] vs. Sami Zayn - NXT 11/13/14 - I don't have an exact time but it ran about 11 minutes NWA Tag Team Championship: Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard [c] vs. Lex Luger & Barry Windham - Clash of the Champions I - 9:35 Tables Match: The Dudley Boyz vs. The Hardy Boyz - Royal Rumble 2000 - 10:38 Kurt Angle vs. Rey Mysterio - SummerSlam 2002 - 9:20 Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle vs. Los Guerreros - Smackdown 10/17/02 - 10:34 WWE Tag Team Championship: The New Day [c] vs. AJ Styles and Chris Jericho - Raw 3/7/16 - Around 11 minutes That's just off the top of my head and there are plenty more from Japan and Lucha Underground that I could list, but I wasn't sure if we were including those. |
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Post by salz4life on Apr 1, 2016 22:44:32 GMT -5
I was at this Wrestlemania.... That atmosphere was awesome. The crowd was all over Ce a from the beginning of the event to the end. In between every match were "Cema sucks!" chants.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 1, 2016 23:04:42 GMT -5
Undertaker and Henry had a decent casket match.
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Post by agent817 on Apr 2, 2016 10:01:45 GMT -5
Does anybody remember that CM Punk was one of the gangsters in Cena's entrance?
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 2, 2016 15:00:36 GMT -5
One of my favourite Manias ever, as weird as that sounds. I still watch it a lot.
And I still adamantly maintain Orton v Kurt v Rey should have closed the show. And had at least twice as much time. *sigh*
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EDIT - It's also proof that you can have an 11-match card on a four-hour show and give each match enough time to breathe and tell a story without feeling rushed. Only two matches last longer than 15 minutes but only two are shorter than five minutes and each match hovers in the range of 8-14 minutes. That's what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be.That's just so, so wrong when you consider a potential classic between three of the greats in close to their primes was cut short to a pathetic 11 minutes when it should have gone 20+. Get the Playboy Pillow Fight and the Boogeyman off the card and give the extra time to the triple threat.
