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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 30, 2016 18:39:35 GMT -5
I honestly say get rid of the Usos vs Dudleys match and add them to the ATGMBR. Then have the Divas match and US Title headline the preshow with the Battle Royal being the opener for WM32. 2 championship matches shouldn't be on the preshow...ESPECIALLY the women's match. That match will be great and those women deserve a main card spot. They mean the Ten Divas tag, not the Divas title match.
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Post by BRV on Mar 30, 2016 20:13:31 GMT -5
I said it on Tuesday, but it bears repeating. In terms of time, WrestleMania 22 as what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be.
WrestleMania 22 was an 11-match card on a four-hour show. Only two matches lasted longer than 15 minutes but only two matches were fewer than five minutes. The average match length was just over 10 minutes. Yet none of the matches felt rushed and every match was given a chance to breathe and tell a story without being overdone and becoming boring. I'd rather have an action-packed, fast-paced 9:19 match like the Randy Orton-Rey Mysterio-Kurt Angle classic than a plodding, boring 29:25 contest like the no holds barred match between Triple H and Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Both matches had enough time to "tell a story", it's just that one match was 20 minutes shorter.
There's no reason WWE couldn't have fit two more matches onto the main card. Not that any of the four matches on the pre-show are really must-see WrestleMania matches, but if it means cutting the Shane McMahon vs. Undertaker match from 30 minutes to 20 minutes or reducing the Roman Reigns vs. Triple H match from 25 minutes to 15 minutes, then I see no problem with that. After a while, those kind of matches start to drag and become finisher fests followed by kickouts followed by two minutes of standing around and huffing and puffing.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Mar 30, 2016 20:16:11 GMT -5
Is the thing on USA the same thing as the Network Pre-Show?
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 30, 2016 20:44:50 GMT -5
It looks like the ATGMBR will be on the main show, so it'll be 8 matches on the main show.
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Post by peter on Mar 30, 2016 20:49:16 GMT -5
Is the thing on USA the same thing as the Network Pre-Show? The Network pre-show is 2 hours (5-7 pm). The USA pre-show is only 1 hour (6-7 pm) and will be the same as the Network's 2nd hour of the 2 hour pre-show.
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Post by edgehead on Mar 31, 2016 0:36:37 GMT -5
2 championship matches shouldn't be on the preshow...ESPECIALLY the women's match. That match will be great and those women deserve a main card spot. They mean the Ten Divas tag, not the Divas title match. Oh ok! My apologies. Yeah, I think this idea would be much better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 2:05:53 GMT -5
Yeah I am guessing this is freeing up space for The Rock, Austin, Foley and whoever else will have segments. The Rousey segment last year was awesome so I can handle it if its that calibre style segment. Agree to disagree.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Mar 31, 2016 5:31:16 GMT -5
I said it on Tuesday, but it bears repeating. In terms of time, WrestleMania 22 as what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. WrestleMania 22 was an 11-match card on a four-hour show. Only two matches lasted longer than 15 minutes but only two matches were fewer than five minutes. The average match length was just over 10 minutes. Yet none of the matches felt rushed and every match was given a chance to breathe and tell a story without being overdone and becoming boring. I'd rather have an action-packed, fast-paced 9:19 match like the Randy Orton-Rey Mysterio-Kurt Angle classic than a plodding, boring 29:25 contest like the no holds barred match between Triple H and Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Both matches had enough time to "tell a story", it's just that one match was 20 minutes shorter. There's no reason WWE couldn't have fit two more matches onto the main card. Not that any of the four matches on the pre-show are really must-see WrestleMania matches, but if it means cutting the Shane McMahon vs. Undertaker match from 30 minutes to 20 minutes or reducing the Roman Reigns vs. Triple H match from 25 minutes to 15 minutes, then I see no problem with that. After a while, those kind of matches start to drag and become finisher fests followed by kickouts followed by two minutes of standing around and huffing and puffing. Shane vs Taker shouldn't go longer than 20:00 but of course they will go the "epic selling" way because it's oh-so barbaric, this Cell match...unlike taking 11 Brock Germans Brock vs Ambrose would be perfect around 20 minutes, to not overkill the garbage brawl aspect HHH vs Roman between 20-25 minutes should be enough AJ vs Y2J should get between 15-20 minutes ARMBAR no idea, around 25 minutes max. Divas triple threat should also go around 20 minutes to earn the best WM women's match ever moniker IC title match might go around 25 I guess all matches need quite some time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 5:36:27 GMT -5
I said it on Tuesday, but it bears repeating. In terms of time, WrestleMania 22 as what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. WrestleMania 22 was an 11-match card on a four-hour show. Only two matches lasted longer than 15 minutes but only two matches were fewer than five minutes. The average match length was just over 10 minutes. Yet none of the matches felt rushed and every match was given a chance to breathe and tell a story without being overdone and becoming boring. I'd rather have an action-packed, fast-paced 9:19 match like the Randy Orton-Rey Mysterio-Kurt Angle classic than a plodding, boring 29:25 contest like the no holds barred match between Triple H and Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Both matches had enough time to "tell a story", it's just that one match was 20 minutes shorter. There's no reason WWE couldn't have fit two more matches onto the main card. Not that any of the four matches on the pre-show are really must-see WrestleMania matches, but if it means cutting the Shane McMahon vs. Undertaker match from 30 minutes to 20 minutes or reducing the Roman Reigns vs. Triple H match from 25 minutes to 15 minutes, then I see no problem with that. After a while, those kind of matches start to drag and become finisher fests followed by kickouts followed by two minutes of standing around and huffing and puffing. Shane vs Taker shouldn't go longer than 20:00 but of course they will go the "epic selling" way because it's oh-so barbaric, this Cell match...unlike taking 11 Brock Germans Brock vs Ambrose would be perfect around 20 minutes, to not overkill the garbage brawl aspect HHH vs Roman between 20-25 minutes should be enough AJ vs Y2J should get between 15-20 minutes ARMBAR no idea, around 25 minutes max. Divas triple threat should also go around 20 minutes to earn the best WM women's match ever moniker IC title match might go around 25 I guess all matches need quite some time There are a few of those I'd shorten. The actual match for the Divas I think could do fine with 15 to avoid padding (though would have full entrances and a recap beforehand, so still would have it take like 25 minutes of the show), multi-man ladder matches always become such a chore if they go much longer than about that same length of time, I think it's advisable to keep Triple H / Reigns as short as they possibly can, and a non-Rumble battle royal running for more minutes than there are people in the match sounds unbearable.
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Post by joediego on Mar 31, 2016 8:33:44 GMT -5
I said it on Tuesday, but it bears repeating. In terms of time, WrestleMania 22 as what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. WrestleMania 22 was an 11-match card on a four-hour show. Only two matches lasted longer than 15 minutes but only two matches were fewer than five minutes. The average match length was just over 10 minutes. Yet none of the matches felt rushed and every match was given a chance to breathe and tell a story without being overdone and becoming boring. I'd rather have an action-packed, fast-paced 9:19 match like the Randy Orton-Rey Mysterio-Kurt Angle classic than a plodding, boring 29:25 contest like the no holds barred match between Triple H and Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Both matches had enough time to "tell a story", it's just that one match was 20 minutes shorter. There's no reason WWE couldn't have fit two more matches onto the main card. Not that any of the four matches on the pre-show are really must-see WrestleMania matches, but if it means cutting the Shane McMahon vs. Undertaker match from 30 minutes to 20 minutes or reducing the Roman Reigns vs. Triple H match from 25 minutes to 15 minutes, then I see no problem with that. After a while, those kind of matches start to drag and become finisher fests followed by kickouts followed by two minutes of standing around and huffing and puffing. So, so wrong about this. They ruined the triple threat at 22.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 8:36:13 GMT -5
I said it on Tuesday, but it bears repeating. In terms of time, WrestleMania 22 as what WrestleMania 32 should aspire to be. WrestleMania 22 was an 11-match card on a four-hour show. Only two matches lasted longer than 15 minutes but only two matches were fewer than five minutes. The average match length was just over 10 minutes. Yet none of the matches felt rushed and every match was given a chance to breathe and tell a story without being overdone and becoming boring. I'd rather have an action-packed, fast-paced 9:19 match like the Randy Orton-Rey Mysterio-Kurt Angle classic than a plodding, boring 29:25 contest like the no holds barred match between Triple H and Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Both matches had enough time to "tell a story", it's just that one match was 20 minutes shorter. There's no reason WWE couldn't have fit two more matches onto the main card. Not that any of the four matches on the pre-show are really must-see WrestleMania matches, but if it means cutting the Shane McMahon vs. Undertaker match from 30 minutes to 20 minutes or reducing the Roman Reigns vs. Triple H match from 25 minutes to 15 minutes, then I see no problem with that. After a while, those kind of matches start to drag and become finisher fests followed by kickouts followed by two minutes of standing around and huffing and puffing. So, so wrong about this. They ruined the triple threat at 22. It's still a good match. Would've benefited from five more minutes, sure, but it's still plenty good as it is and the short length allowed it to be very fast-paced and frantic when it otherwise might not've been.
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Post by joediego on Mar 31, 2016 9:03:01 GMT -5
The ARMBAR has gone 18:44 and 18:05 although that contained 31 and 30 men; if it's 20 that can come down to 15m.
Multi-man ladder matches at Mania working backwards have gone 13:47, 22:43, 13:42, 15:12, 24:10, 12:14 and 15:17. I think 23 + 26 were a mistake going that long, and 15ms is much more realistic.
Lesnar has gone 21:07, 13:43, 23:58, 25:47 and 16:43 at Mania...the two big numbers were against time and spotlight hoggers Triple H and Taker, I would imagine against "good workhorse but not the man" Ambrose he will be going between 15 and 20.
Last year Undertaker broke a 7 year streak of going 23mins + at Mania, going only 15 with Wyatt, the first time since he face a similarly limited worker in Batista at 23 that he went under 20 (15 vs Batista). Unless they pad the time out with amateur dramatics, Shane (who is no HBK, Punk, Triple H or Lesnar) is going to come in at the low end of Undertaker's time spectrum, but that could still mean 20mins.
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