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Post by gnr123 on Apr 4, 2016 0:44:35 GMT -5
Given the crowd expressly was trying to derail the match, no, I don't think it's a moral issue. Like, they made their point, let's not turn this into something grander that it isn't. I don't know if I agree with muting them, I think it only highlighted it, but it's not censorship, and it's not really an issue of morality. Derail the match? How? By booing a guy who they don't like and actively haven't for two years now? By chanting during a shit-show of a main event that dragged on waaaaaaay to long. It is a moral issue. They try to put out a positive message, how they "put smiles on people's faces," yet censor a crowd of 100,000 paying customers for not doing what the company wants. When in essence, it's those fans who are their only source of income. I hope tomorrow night, they start a "you can't mute us" chant. I really do.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 4, 2016 0:52:11 GMT -5
Given the crowd expressly was trying to derail the match, no, I don't think it's a moral issue. Like, they made their point, let's not turn this into something grander that it isn't. I don't know if I agree with muting them, I think it only highlighted it, but it's not censorship, and it's not really an issue of morality. Derail the match? How? By booing a guy who they don't like and actively haven't for two years now? By chanting during a shit-show of a main event that dragged on waaaaaaay to long. It is a moral issue. They try to put out a positive message, how they "put smiles on people's faces," yet censor a crowd of 100,000 paying customers for not doing what the company wants. When in essence, it's those fans who are their only source of income. I hope tomorrow night, they start a "you can't mute us" chant. I really do. They bought tickets, WWE gave them a chair to sit down. I don't think it means they're entitled to a platform. If WWE kicked them out, that'd be one thing, but this is absurd to try to paint as a terrible act to me. I think it was ultimately pointless, but Erin Brokovich doesn't need to get on the case or something.
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Post by gnr123 on Apr 4, 2016 0:57:32 GMT -5
Derail the match? How? By booing a guy who they don't like and actively haven't for two years now? By chanting during a shit-show of a main event that dragged on waaaaaaay to long. It is a moral issue. They try to put out a positive message, how they "put smiles on people's faces," yet censor a crowd of 100,000 paying customers for not doing what the company wants. When in essence, it's those fans who are their only source of income. I hope tomorrow night, they start a "you can't mute us" chant. I really do. They bought tickets, WWE gave them a chair to sit down. I don't think it means they're entitled to a platform. If WWE kicked them out, that'd be one thing, but this is absurd to try to paint as a terrible act to me. I think it was ultimately pointless, but Erin Brokovich doesn't need to get on the case or something. They bought tickets to see the show. If it weren't for them buying tickets to the show, there wouldn't be any WrestleMania to begin with. They bought the 100 dollar tickets, they traveled from other countries, they gave WWE their largest WM crowd ever. Atleast WWE could repay them by not being so petty.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 4, 2016 1:04:27 GMT -5
They bought tickets, WWE gave them a chair to sit down. I don't think it means they're entitled to a platform. If WWE kicked them out, that'd be one thing, but this is absurd to try to paint as a terrible act to me. I think it was ultimately pointless, but Erin Brokovich doesn't need to get on the case or something. They bought tickets to see the show. If it weren't for them buying tickets to the show, there wouldn't be any WrestleMania to begin with. They bought the 100 dollar tickets, they traveled from other countries, they gave WWE their largest WM crowd ever. Atleast WWE could repay them by not being so petty. I get that. If they did what many musicians would do if the crowd turned that hostile and called the show off, I'd say you had a point. If they ejected people, I'd agree they overreacted. WWE did the least they could do, if not more. None of them would be eligible for a refund or something, because they weren't owed a mic, it was never an expectation of what you get with a ticket. I have already said I think WWE made the wrong call, but there's nothing morally bankrupt about it, and it fits no meaningful definition of censorship.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Apr 4, 2016 1:59:08 GMT -5
Its petty and hypocritical. The WWE knew it was going to happen. They've known it since last wrestlemania. The fans have been telling them all year long that they don't want Reigns. Their reaction all year at weekly tv shows told the wwe that they don't buy into the storylines. The WWE doesn't care what the fans want because they know they got your money no matter what. That's why they put their brand over the performers, so they can stick anyone they want in there and get your money because there's gonna be something on the show that you'll like, and it doesnt have to be the main event or the entire card for that matter. They're not concerned about the fan reaction because they will change it to whatever they want it to be.... because this show is for vince's enjoyment, not yours and he thinks he knows what you want, when he doesn't.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 4, 2016 2:51:14 GMT -5
but also hearing so much about americans trying to defend their right to free speech made me think about this in a moral sense. What do you guys think about it? The Right to Free Speech only - *ONLY* - applies to the government limiting such. ONLY. Period.
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