WON - "The Lesnar/Ambrose match was to get Ambrose over"

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Last thing I found interesting from this week's WON, he's the details.

Other than commercials mentioning The Rock, there was little push for him. He actually sort of did a match, in the sense he took no punishment but beat Erick Rowan in seven seconds. Them using the Wyatt Family in his segment took them out of being in the Brock Lesnar segment and out of the Battle Royal. It led to a flat story in the Lesnar match that with hindsight makes no sense with Lesnar destroying Ambrose at every turn and then beating him clean at Mania. The funny part is that the stated goal of pulling Ambrose from the plan with Chris Jericho to Lesnar, and pulling Wyatt from Lesnar, was to get Ambrose over. Instead, every aspect of the Mania build up past making him a quirky midcard face who was endorsed by Terry Funk and Mick Foley, basically told the story that he’s a more charismatic Ryan Bader, a guy who beats most guys, but has no chance to beat any true top guy.

Looks like all plans of this show kicking off Lesnar vs. Strowman for SummerSlam should be off after the reaction to the Strowman vs. Ambrose match.

Speaking of Styles, the original plan for Mania was to do a Jericho vs. Ambrose program with Jericho turning on Ambrose, but lots changed regarding Ambrose being moved to work with Lesnar and Styles coming in

In regards to Payback

"Both of those matches should be great, as should be Jericho vs. Dean Ambrose and Owens vs. Zayn."

Also this brings us back to Monday where Cole said Lesnar had a "hard fought win at Wrestlemania". Hell JBL said "and at one point it looked like it was a "pick up match" between Dean Ambrose and Brock Lesnar. An unbelievable performance by the lunatic", I mean, what?

So...while to us it looks like Ambrose was decisively beaten every turn, in the company's eyes they think this match really elevated Ambrose. They put Ambrose with Lesnar to supposedly help him out and also due to Strowman not having a great match with Ambrose on SD the other week the company's soured on that Brock/Strowman match. Now Ambrose is going to face Jericho supposedly so I guess he goes over? Either way this company is just so interesting. They think Ambrose was elevated and yet (after they nixed what Ambrose wanted out of the match) after the match to us it looks differently. Maybe that's why AJ lost to Jericho, so Jericho would look credible for Ambrose, who knows but it makes no sense if AJ is facing Reigns soon.

This company and their "looking strong in defeat" thing.

[Juice]

I never had a Ambrose jobbed vibe. The commentary put him over hard.

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Apr 7, 2016 19:07:52 GMT -5 Juice said:

I never had a Ambrose jobbed vibe. The commentary put him over hard.

Yeah I agree, it just looks interesting to me to see the spectrum. One one side you see people saying that Ambrose looked strong but on the other side you see people saying that he jobbed out. It's funny when you think about it.

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I think it made Dean look like a total joke. He got swatted like a fly at every turn in the build, Heyman literally laughed at the idea of him winning, he spent most of the match getting his ass kicked, then he got decisively beaten in a short amount of time after, for the type of match, not taking any real punishment.

[angryfan]

The match was the match was the match. But if you build up to X conclsusion, where either a guy wins and proves himself or goes down in a blaze of glory after keeping coming back for more and never stopping no matter what, then the guy is made a star. You have him lose without taking any "hardcore beatings" during the hardcore match, after his verbal build was "Brock is going to see that I'm different" and then...F5 and pin, chairs or not...you can't expect that to "make him". If the Wyatts were supposed to get involved to take some of the punishment but got bumped away so that Rowan could take the 7 second finisher fest and loss to "put over Rock and Cena" at the expense of Brock's match having what it was supposed to...then I'm even more confused.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Either way, that match was lame as hell.

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Apr 7, 2016 19:18:32 GMT -5 angryfan said:

The match was the match was the match. But if you build up to X conclsusion, where either a guy wins and proves himself or goes down in a blaze of glory after keeping coming back for more and never stopping no matter what, then the guy is made a star. You have him lose without taking any "hardcore beatings" during the hardcore match, after his verbal build was "Brock is going to see that I'm different" and then...F5 and pin, chairs or not...you can't expect that to "make him". If the Wyatts were supposed to get involved to take some of the punishment but got bumped away so that Rowan could take the 7 second finisher fest and loss to "put over Rock and Cena" at the expense of Brock's match having what it was supposed to...then I'm even more confused.

What's more interesting is that falconarrow (the reddit insider) said that Ambrose requested more brutal things to happen in the Lesnar match but the company shut them down. Ambrose knew what kind of match it was, he wanted it to be better for his character because he's an old-school guy. He's about the matches, what the fans see, commentary can only do so much...but the company was like "nope".

Just makes me wonder if Ambrose was shot down prior to the Wyatts being pulled, probably after and he was like "well f***".

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Their intentions do not match the execution of the performance. Somewhere wires got crossed. Either too much time was wasted with the suplex storytelling, or they got the match time cut while they were in the ring. Brock will sell for anyone because he doesn't care, so it wasn't on him.

[Rudy Gobert Fadeaway]

If that match was designed to get him over, then I don't even want to know what the ones that aren't are gonna look like.

The only way you could have made him look worse in that match is if you just flew a blimp over the arena saying "AMBROSE SUCKS"

[Perd]

Cole and JBL were doing their best Baghdad Bob. Dean got his kicked.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

I never got the vibe Dean was there to just job to Lesnar and be a warm body for him. The build up we all anticipated was someway or another at the end of the match win or lose Dean would have a star making performance.

However, we got a dissapointing match in which Dean didn't look like a star nor come across as one despite the commentary trying to build him up as so. Everything was put into place and the letdown was in the performance. The match getting 12 mins sucks for Dean and Lesnar because i'm sure they assumed themselves they would get 20 mins but that's the way the dice rolled in this instance. I chop this up as a big missed opportunity.

[angryfan]

Apr 7, 2016 19:22:18 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Their intentions do not match the execution of the performance. Somewhere wires got crossed. Either too much time was wasted with the suplex storytelling, or they got the match time cut while they were in the ring. Brock will sell for anyone because he doesn't care, so it wasn't on him.

Some credence here too with the Wyatts since...well, the whole Rumble thing, or are we not supposed to remember all of them ganging up on him, eliminating him, running roughshod and all that. But...hey, Lesnar and the whole Rumble contingent couldn't do a damn thing, so logic would dictate that maybe, you know, they'd get involved here. Except....nope.

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It was just too short.

I think if the match was, like, five minutes longer Ambrose would've looked a lot stronger.

[kendrickisking]

Vince McMahon is the Michael Bay of wrestling promoters. He doesn't know what he's doing but somehow he succeeds at it.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Apr 7, 2016 19:24:53 GMT -5 angryfan said:

Apr 7, 2016 19:22:18 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Their intentions do not match the execution of the performance. Somewhere wires got crossed. Either too much time was wasted with the suplex storytelling, or they got the match time cut while they were in the ring. Brock will sell for anyone because he doesn't care, so it wasn't on him.

Some credence here too with the Wyatts since...well, the whole Rumble thing, or are we not supposed to remember all of them ganging up on him, eliminating him, running roughshod and all that. But...hey, Lesnar and the whole Rumble contingent couldn't do a damn thing, so logic would dictate that maybe, you know, they'd get involved here. Except....nope.

It seem like WWE had the idea like I said before but the execution fell way short. If the original plan was to have Wyatts vs Lesnar but because Dean impressed so much and got the match instead so be it.

However, the structure of the match itself and the length just seem like they left so much on the table. Like I said before sadly it's a missed opportunity because in a show that went 5 hours one would expect this match would of gotten at least 20 mins. More frustration I would assume for Dean than Brock because Brock performed his duties and will be back in a few months to do it all over again.

Dean is still in big plans I would assume but the road will probably be just a little bit longer. 

["Cane Dewey" Johnson]

Putting people over =/= getting people over?

[Starshine]

I thought Lesnar pretty much trounced Ambrose. It wasn't a straight up squash, but Deano never looked like he stood a chance.

[Kevin Hamilton]

I wouldn't go so far as to say he was jobbed out etc, but if the goal was to make him look strong or on Brock's level they failed.

[wisdomwizard]

This is a good thing, because it means they WANT to push him and are going to soon.

[111111]

The Triple H match did a much better job of getting him over. A great example of how you make someone look stronger in defeat.

This Brock match not so much.