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Post by ben:friendship frog on Nov 13, 2016 2:38:49 GMT -5
I think it's considered bad form to joke about molesting another employee live on air. He didn't joke that he would, or was considering it, just referenced that a certain person probably would based on them saying that exact thing. The context of the joke was against that person, not her. Context is key here. If we get angry about this, we ignore the point of why the original thing was so offensive. I.e. intent. One is satire, albeit arguably lacking taste, and the other implies alleged assault. There's no comparison between the two. I'm not asking anyone to like it. But this is not where our anger should be focused. Nah I'm sorry but him saying what he did is basically an unwanted advance, he's saying that's what DT would do but it basically means hes sexualising her. When it comes to stuff like this I think it's down to the individuals involved as to how they take it. She took offence and no one can say she was wrong to do that.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 13, 2016 2:44:04 GMT -5
He didn't joke that he would, or was considering it, just referenced that a certain person probably would based on them saying that exact thing. The context of the joke was against that person, not her. Context is key here. If we get angry about this, we ignore the point of why the original thing was so offensive. I.e. intent. One is satire, albeit arguably lacking taste, and the other implies alleged assault. There's no comparison between the two. I'm not asking anyone to like it. But this is not where our anger should be focused. Nah I'm sorry but him saying what he did is basically an unwanted advance, he's saying that's what DT would do but it basically means hes sexualising her. When it comes to stuff like this I think it's down to the individuals involved as to how they take it. She took offence and no one can say she was wrong to do that. But at the same time pro wrestling has been sexualising women ever since it's inception. Whether we like it or not, it's been a part of the culture even up to today. That's not an excuse, but if we were serious about our outrages we probably wouldn't support any of it.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Nov 13, 2016 3:57:25 GMT -5
What a f***ing cretin.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Nov 13, 2016 7:08:35 GMT -5
I guess Joey got bumped because of BACKLASH
But yeah, out-of-line and not the kind of comment necessary, not this week, not ever
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 11:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 11:31:28 GMT -5
From PWInsider (http://www.pwinsiderelite.com/article.php?id=105954&p=1)...
Looks like Joey handled the situation the right way. I respect him for that.
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Post by Boozeman on Nov 13, 2016 14:28:36 GMT -5
The thing about Joey Styles is, he was pretty god awful on commentary last night well before that happened anyway. I can't say he's going to be missed, at least not by me.
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Post by 543Y2J on Nov 13, 2016 17:18:27 GMT -5
Praise Lord Stokely
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 13, 2016 19:45:53 GMT -5
Styles is a shitberg. His comments don't surprise me given his past statements.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 21:20:32 GMT -5
From PWInsider (http://www.pwinsiderelite.com/article.php?id=105964&p=1)...
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Post by Facetious on Nov 13, 2016 21:33:59 GMT -5
You know, I'm not going to pretend I haven't made a comment like that. But, there is a time and a place for it and one place it isn't appropriate for is one being broadcasted to anyone and when your boss says "Don't do that". It's common sense and I don't feel bad for the guy one bit.
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Post by Dragonfly on Nov 13, 2016 21:49:59 GMT -5
As Drew Gulak stormed away from what was once Catch Point, I glanced at my cat. She likes to sit with her front legs crossed, so it wasn't anything too odd at first. It was only when I got closer that I noticed it. Her left leg was fully extended, with her right paw sitting directly on the ankle. She was clearly making the Catch Point hand gesture. My cat marks for Catch Point.
So don't fret, Fred and Hot Sauce. Gulak might not like you anymore, but Franco the cat still does.
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Post by lws on Nov 13, 2016 22:00:36 GMT -5
I wasn't going to say anything because I don't really care, and my opinions on this are far more related to my views on comedy than anything to do with wrestling, but eventually I realized Dave Chappelle made an almost identical joke on SNL last night, and it was called one of the best episodes that show has produced in years, with his monologue a big part of the reason. No one claimed Chappelle's joke offended women, it was at Trump's expense and everyone accepted it. That Joey is getting flak where Chappelle is getting support makes it feel like Joey got fired not for insulting women, but for daring insult the president, which isn't allowed because wrestling fans are mostly rasslin' fans who support Trump and his misogyny, and just don't want anyone bad mouthing the prez-to-be, and thus the whole thing feels really really icky to me. I'm also heavily reminded of the legendary Patrice O'Neal interview where he breaks down why people who don't "do funny" aren't qualified to speak on what jokes mean and who they offend.
That said, Joey was told not to make election jokes and he did just that, so they were totally within their rights to fire him for it, and it was stupid for him to say it. Also, Joey's not a comedian, so it isn't entirely an apt metaphor. But I thought it too hard and long not to post it, somewhere.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 13, 2016 22:36:49 GMT -5
MAybe now Thatcher will stop sing that idiotic headbutt as a finisher.
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EVOLVE 73 results from 411Mania... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}– Lenny Leonard says there is something special planned or the tag titles later tonight. Stokley Hathaway arrives wearing the Evolve title and announces that Thatcher is out tonight due to a concussion suffered last night. Darby Allin then arrived and challenged Jaka to a match since Jaka pinned him last night.
Darby Allin vs. Jaka: Allin went for near falls early, trying to use his speed to avoid the power advantage of Jaka. They brawled to the floor where Jaka kept control and trapped Allin in the ring skirt. Jaka delivered a series of head butts as he beat down Allin in the corner. Jaka continued to beat down Allin, just bullying him around big brother style. Jaka hot-shotted Allin off the ropes as he easily kept control. Jaka countered the coffin drop with a German suplex that turned Allin inside out. Allin again went for a series of pinning combos, but Jaka fought him off and hit a spin kick to pick up the win. Jaka defeated Darby Allin @ 6:45 via pin
Icarus vs. Jason Kincaid: Icarus attacked right away, taking Kincaid to the corner and beating him down. Good aggression by Icarus early, Kincaid showed good fire as he made his comeback with a sunset flip bomb to the corner and then the coast-to-coast dropkick. Icarus cut him off with a wheelbarrow German for a near fall, Kincaid then hit a blockbuster to the floor and then a sick double stomp for the win. Jason Kincaid defeated Icarus @ 6:20 via pin
Ethan Page w/ The Gatekeepers vs. Chris Dickinson w/Jaka : They traded side headlock takeovers, with Page getting frustrated early. Thy then went into a test of strength; Dickinson had the advantage here and took Page to his knees. Dickinson then hit a back elbow. Jaka and the Gatekeepers had a standoff as Dickinson and page brawled to the floor. Page shot Dickinson to the steps, and then back in Page took the heat, working the ribs of Dickinson. Page worked over Dickinson in the corner, continuing to work the ribs and lower back of Dickinson. Dickinson up top, but Page cut him off and slammed him to the mat. Dickinson started to fire back with rights, they traded strikes center ring and then Dickinson slammed Page to the corner. They battled up top, but Page knocked Dickinson to the floor. Dickinson back on the ropes here and scored with the RANA off the top! Dickinson then fired up and hit a series of running clotheslines and mounted corner strikes. Dickinson then hit an enziguri for 2. Page to the apron and Dickinson tried to send him to the floor, but Page hit RKEGO for 2. Dickinson fought off the package piledriver and hit the enziguri for 2. Dickinson went for a lariat, but Page hit the spinning Dwayne for the win. Ethan Page defeated Chris Dickinson @ 12:45 via pin
Drew Gulak vs. Zack Sabre Jr.: They locked up and battled around the ropes a bit, Gulak scores with a takedown and works a body lock , but ZSJ escapes almost right away. Both guys working the ground game here, with some smooth transition and escape work. Both men looking for dominant position, teasing heel hooks. ZSJ finally snatches the ankle of Gulak, but Gulak escapes and they have a standoff center ring. Gulak hits a side headlock takeover, and ties up ZSJ to stop his escape. Really basic stuff here with good counter work to make it come off more difficult looking than it is. They then traded a series of pinning combos, leading to a stalemate. Gulak worked a standing leg lock and bridge, but ZSJ countered that and took the advantage working the leg of Gulak. ZSJ then worked a grounded abdominal stretch, but Gulak got the ropes. Gulak was favoring the leg, but managed to escape the full nelson until ZSJ pulled him to the mat. ZSJ then tied up the arms, bending them in way they should not go. ZSJ again worked for a full nelson, trying to keep Gulak grounded. Gulak then tried to work the arm to escape, working the arm Page previously injured. Gulak now has control, but ZSJ worked a triangle variation to get out of that. The grappling here is really good, it has a nice flow and never felt slow as it all had a purpose. Gulak again attacks the injured arm of ZSJ. Gulak worked a cloverleaf variation, which looked slick. ZSJ looked for a heel hook to work the escape, which he got. ZSJ worked to keep the left arm away from Gulak, but Gulak managed to attack it anyway. ZSJ slipped away and looked for an arm bar. But Gulak locked in the ankle lock. ZSJ escaped and locked in the Japanese stranglehold but Gulak escaped into a chinlock with the body scissors. ZSJ then attacked the arm of Gulak, but Gulak hit a running high cross for 2. He then attacked the injured arm once again, which has constantly been his out when he gets in trouble. ZSJ kept fighting off the arm bar attempt, they worked back to the feet, ZSJ looked for a guillotine, but Gulak countered by taking it to the mat and working body strikes. Everything these two do looks so effortless, just smooth back and forth, playing off of the previous work and it all making sense. ZSJ countered a sunset flip into the bulldog sitdown, but Gulak snagged the dragon sleeper and ZSJ had to tap. Drew Gulak vs. Zack Sabre Jr@ 25:45 via submission
Chris Hero vs. Matt Riddle: Riddle is wearing trunks, it looks odd; bro has gone full von Erich. During the intro Hero kicked Riddle in the face and took the immediate heat. Grumpy , bully Chris Hero is awesome. Hero was beating down Riddle with strikes and knees until Riddle scored with a charging knee strike. Hero scored with a bicycle kick, buy Riddle then hit the German. Hero countered a running senton with the knees, and then delivered forearm strikes to the lower back. Hero is beautifully focused and relentless in his attacks, Hero then hit the running senton to add insult to injury on Riddle. Riddle tried to fife up with strikes, went for a springboard knee but Hero destroyed him with an elbow strike to send him to the floor. Hero followed to the floor to continue the attack, hitting another senton. Hero again kicked Riddle in the face, and that led to Riddle firing up with rapid-fire strikes. Riddle then hit the double knees and XPLODER, followed by a running senton. Riddle then laid in kicks to Hero’s chest. Riddle hit bro to sleep and Hero countered with the rolling elbow for the double down. Hero to his feet and laid in a series of stiff elbows, they did the tombstone reversal spot, leading to Riddle hitting the jumping tombstone, followed by hammer fists. Hero made the ropes to escape that, Hero countered the springboard knee with the elbow and short piledriver. GOTCH piledriver followed and Hero again defeated Riddle. Chris Hero vs. Matt Riddle @ 11:11 via pin
-As Riddle was taken to the back, Drew Galloway arrived and mocked Riddle for losing and praised Hero. Galloway then said he sold his soul for his wrestling career, and that he has sacrificed to save Evolve. He claimed his war was won. DUSTIN wanted to celebrate and leave. Fred Yehi & Tracy Williams arrived and wanted their tag title rematch. Williams reminded them all that he tapped out Hero last night. DUSTIN & Chris Hero will defend the titles since Galloway isn’t cleared to perform. Hero agreed, but said he was no one’s soldier. Gulak then arrived and told Yehi and Williams that Catch point failed. He then said he and his partner wanted in on this and introduced Tony Nese.
Champions DUSTIN & Chris Hero with Drew Galloway defend vs. Tony Nese and Drew Gulak Fred Yehi & Tracy Williams vs. The Gatekeepers: This will be elimination rules. Nese and Yehi are in to begin, working basic standing switches and wristlocks, Yehi then stomped away on Nese, who fired back with kicks. DUSTIN in now, he works over Yehi for a bit, as Gulak tags in as the Gentlemen’s club collides. Gulak and Nese worked over DUSTIN in their corner, until DUSTIN raked the eyes and tagged in Hero. Hero wanted revenge on Williams, who tagged in. Hero just started to kick the shit out of Williams with strikes and knees. Williams fought back with the big boot and lariat. The Gatekeepers then hit the ring and work over Williams, Yehi in to make the save fighting off The Gatekeepers on his own. Yehi worked the foot stomps, and The Gatekeepers are in big trouble. They cut off Yehi, working the heat, using quick tags and scoring near falls. Yehi fired up and made a comeback but got caught and tossed across the ring with the sack of shit slam. The Gatekeepers cleared the ring, until Hero returned to go face to face with them. Hero laid in hard strikes and was running wild on The Gatekeepers, until they hit the double chokeslam. Darby Allin then ran in and took out a Gatekeeper, allowing DUSTIN to roll him up and to eliminate The Gatekeepers. DUSTIN then hit a dive to wipe out Williams and Nese. Hero and DUSTIN worked together to beat down Yehi. DUSTIN stopped Yehi from tagging Williams in by biting his fingers. Yehi kept trying to fire up, but constantly got cut off. Hero tried to take out Williams, but it backfired as he dropkicked Hero to the floor. Hero then pulled him to the floor and destroyed him with an elbow strike. Back in the ring, Williams fought off DUSTIN’s awful waffle. Yehi then hit suplexes on DUSTIN, he and Williams worked him over in their corner. Nese in and hits a suplex on Williams for a near fall. DUSTIN and Hero attacked Nese in their corner, but Nese fought back and that allowed Hero to accidentally elbow DUSTIN. Yehi, Gulak and Williams surrounded DUSTIN, and Williams locked in the crossface , causing DUSTIN to tap. Galloway threw a fit, pulling the ref to the floor. DUSTIN tried to stop him, Tony Nese and Drew Gulak Fred Yehi & Tracy Williams are left. Williams and Nese in as Gulak was sent to the floor. Nese and Williams up top and Williams hit the drop down into the DDT for the near fall. Michinoku driver by Nese onto Williams, but Yehi makes the save. Nese, Yehi and Williams did some nice stuff here at the end. Yehi with forearms to Nese and then the koji clutch as Nese had to tap. Fred Yehi & Tracy Williams defeated Champions DUSTIN & Chris Hero, Tony Nese and Drew Gulak, and The Gatekeepers @ 25:20 via submission
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 14, 2016 0:24:13 GMT -5
In two dark segments tonight, William Regal offered Tony Nese a WWE deal (he and Drew Gulak both got an offer) and WWE sent Tommy End to wrestle Tracey Williams to help out since Drew Galloway was injured. Lio Rush was also there and took part in the William Regal seminar before. PWInisder. www.pwinsiderelite.com/article.php?id=105966&p=1
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Post by StuntGranny® on Nov 14, 2016 15:16:32 GMT -5
Jeremy Botter has already tweeted out that he WAS upset at Joey.
And call me cynical, but I don't buy most of that shit Joey wrote. I certainly don't buy him being Mr. Noble (Not Jamie...) and begging Gabe to publicly fire him.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Nov 14, 2016 16:17:45 GMT -5
Given Joey's past comments about politics, I'm hesitant to believe that he was making a joke against President-elect Trump. I think that's also why a bunch of his letter seems disingenuous.
That said, he needed to say and do something so good on him for the letter and for trying.
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Post by lockedontarget on Nov 14, 2016 16:51:02 GMT -5
Nah I'm sorry but him saying what he did is basically an unwanted advance, he's saying that's what DT would do but it basically means hes sexualising her. When it comes to stuff like this I think it's down to the individuals involved as to how they take it. She took offence and no one can say she was wrong to do that. But at the same time pro wrestling has been sexualising women ever since it's inception. Whether we like it or not, it's been a part of the culture even up to today. That's not an excuse, but if we were serious about our outrages we probably wouldn't support any of it. People are serious about it. One of the reasons I support WWE more now is because of the improvements they've made with their women's division. And both Evolve and CHIKARA have inspired me to looking into giving more of my money to them for taking a stand now.
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