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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 19, 2016 3:00:43 GMT -5
^As to Banjo's post, if anyone can find me anything on that being born again part I'd like to see that as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 5:36:58 GMT -5
Honestly I'm much more inclined to dismiss them due to the bullying production guys thing than the Neo Nazi thing. It's more directly documented, is something recent, and, really, has a more worrying potential effect on how they'd run a business.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 19, 2016 5:40:34 GMT -5
mostly "who gives a f*** about the Harris twins?"
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 19, 2016 5:41:39 GMT -5
^As to Banjo's post, if anyone can find me anything on that being born again part I'd like to see that as well. Well, looking through their Wiki page, they noted that one of the twins was part of a Christian record label. The citation brings me to this article from 2007. www1.cbn.com/700club/ron-harris-ropes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 6:21:48 GMT -5
Many, many years ago I worked at a rough factory where a few of the older guys had white power tattoos, they were always apologetic when confronted by others about it claiming that it was a stupid youthful mistake to get them or they were forced to get them during a stint in prison. I remember in particular one old guy who had a history of mental illness and drug abuse who claimed he couldn't remember getting the crudely done swastikas he had on his cheeks as he was off his head on heroin and super strong lager when he got them done.
I don't think this applies to the Harris twins as they appear to have held on to their fascism well into middle age judging from them wearing t-shirts as recently as 10 years ago but if they did give various locker rooms a sob story explanation then the locker room would probably take their word for it.
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Post by somsta on Apr 19, 2016 8:16:29 GMT -5
Not only did they keep getting hired, WCW gave them Creative Control.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Apr 19, 2016 8:33:44 GMT -5
Honestly I'm much more inclined to dismiss them due to the bullying production guys thing than the Neo Nazi thing. It's more directly documented, is something recent, and, really, has a more worrying potential effect on how they'd run a business. 100 percent this. I do not want to defend them, but even if they had a change of heart and renounced their racist ways the stories of them bullying and stiffing production staff makes my stomach turn. I love wrestling, and I am not a naive Polyanna, but some of their antics stick out in one of the scummiest businesses this side of the mafia.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Apr 19, 2016 10:01:50 GMT -5
Well, being a born again Christian doesn't automatically disqualify you from being a horrible racist.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 19, 2016 10:26:36 GMT -5
Honestly I'm much more inclined to dismiss them due to the bullying production guys thing than the Neo Nazi thing. It's more directly documented, is something recent, and, really, has a more worrying potential effect on how they'd run a business. This. How much did they really changed their ways when this happened just last year.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 19, 2016 14:33:12 GMT -5
Here's something from 2006 about them being born again: wrestlingclassics.com/cgi-bin/.ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=9;t=064778It's from a message board, but I don't see why the OP would lie about any of it. There is also this: www.infinitecore.ca/superstar/index.php?a=prnt&code=00&f=46&t=41758This is from another message board with a post mentioning the same appearance from around the same time. So, it looks like they became born again around 2006 at the latest (which would have been after the SS shirt thing). The gist of it is pretty weird though this is a very loose summary at best. Ron blamed the wrestling business for reckless sex and drug use (racism isn't mentioned) and only got away from it by becoming a bodyguard for a country band (Sawyer Brown). Perhaps if we want to stop this TNA takeover we need to get Sawyer Brown on the horn!
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 20, 2016 0:45:02 GMT -5
If there is the case, this leads to the other problem that people aren't mentioning:
If this is true and they are still neo-Nazis, the TNA board should be closed and all the problems given to TNA for this should be mocked.
If they DID change their ways, however (and I don't see how people saying "well, they're probably STILL evil because they're born-again Christians" should pass the "no religion or politics" rule here), then EVERY PERSON ON FAN SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF OURSELVES. The whole way that "Once done, you can NEVER atone for mistakes you made. Ever. No matter what happened, no matter if you knew about the mistake, no matter if it was 'fair for its day', no matter if no one even knew the issue at the time, no matter if it wasn't a THING at the time- if you did it once, and only once, in your entire lifetime, then that one mistake is who you truly are and who you will be forevermore, and MAYBE if you commit suicide in penitence for daring to make that mistake we'll forgive you for it (and even then, we'll only pay lip service to forgiving you, and only because rules won't let us gloat about you deserving your death for that mistake you made.)"
If the Harris twins are still neo-Nazis, everything we're saying deserves to occur.
If the Harris twins DID change their ways and are no longer neo-Nazis, then we're basically treating them as subhuman for something they did and tried to move away from in the past while saying it is impossible to ever become a good human being and they'll always be worthless and pure evil for their past or history. (You know- like the Nazis did.)
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 20, 2016 0:49:58 GMT -5
Let's just stick to stories and links about these two, please.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 20, 2016 1:37:46 GMT -5
Well, being a born again Christian doesn't automatically disqualify you from being a horrible racist. I think it would make them less likely to be. Generally people who go through legit religious transformation don't tend to hold on to the ideals of Nazism. But I guess that's my experience.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 20, 2016 2:54:53 GMT -5
Well, being a born again Christian doesn't automatically disqualify you from being a horrible racist. I think it would make them less likely to be. Generally people who go through legit religious transformation don't tend to hold on to the ideals of Nazism. But I guess that's my experience. Ok that's fair, if they are truly repentant then I wish them nothing but the best. What troubles me greatly is that despite the fact that they claim to be religious men, they still bullied and intimidated production people into not getting paid. That speaks volumes about them being evil assholes.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 20, 2016 2:57:56 GMT -5
Let's just stick to stories and links about these two, please.
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Post by 67 more on Apr 20, 2016 3:29:09 GMT -5
If they've truly stopped supporting the eradication of other races, good for them, but they're still major assholes.
I once saw them on an episode of Maury, I think, they should have called it Nazi Wrestling Twins.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 20, 2016 4:40:18 GMT -5
If the Harris twins DID change their ways and are no longer neo-Nazis, then we're basically treating them as subhuman for something they did and tried to move away from in the past while saying it is impossible to ever become a good human being and they'll always be worthless and pure evil for their past or history. (You know- like the Nazis did.) They're still thugs and bullys though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 5:23:02 GMT -5
^As to Banjo's post, if anyone can find me anything on that being born again part I'd like to see that as well. Well, looking through their Wiki page, they noted that one of the twins was part of a Christian record label. Christian record labels do not a born again Christian make. Case in point:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 7:03:18 GMT -5
Think it's well and beyond the gimmick to work wearing an SS shirt. Correct me if I'm wrong but them boys tattoos are also nazi related. I think I saw an eagle and 88 (for heil hitler) They flat out have the SS lightning bolts tattoed on their arms. Those are just Kiss tattoos they couldn't afford to finish. See, they do like Jews after all.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 20, 2016 15:51:07 GMT -5
I think a lot of the reason you don't hear about anything from other wrestlers about it is because in a working environment, you aren't going to say something unless the opportunity presents itself. If I showed up to work tomorrow and the new guy had a swastika on his head, I wouldn't say something unless he tried to bring it up to me. After all, I don't know this guy...maybe it's not who he is anymore.
I expect the same thing from wrestlers. Most guys only care about how stiff you work. If I was Barry Horowitz and they decided to take liberties with me in the ring, that's when I would decide to speak up.
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