Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on May 6, 2016 0:46:15 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose, because:
Pro wrestling needs one "THE GUY"/"THE GIRL". Even if you have a number of different options at the top, you still need that ONE lynchpin guy who is the flagbearer (witness the benefit of the Rock and Wrestling and the Attitude/WWF 2000 eras: They're both lauded now for how they had a number of people- top to bottom, who all felt like they meant something, they were significant, and that they belonged in the company and if you cheered for them there was no shame in that. This is important for wrestling to have...but that doesn't mean that Hulk Hogan, or Steve Austin/The Rock, weren't still "THE GUY".)
The big problem for having one "THE GUY" in this era is- the rules basically changed in the Reality Era to "If YOUR GUY isn't THE GUY, then he's a joke, he's a failure, he's a loser, and by definition YOU PERSONALLY suck and are a loser for actually LIKING this worthless loser". Naturally, this has hurt making one THE GUY because the stakes are so high, and with these high stakes, EVERYONE has their own horse in the race...and if THE GUY is not THEIR platonic ideal, then they will bitch and moan and whine and cry and hijack and do everything until the person who IS their platonic ideal is the one who gets to be THE GUY (after which other people will do the same.)
Therefore, the ONLY way to make someone THE GUY is not to answer "Who does everyone WANT to push as THE GUY?" (it's hard to get just one), but rather to answer "If I am a fan of SOMEONE ELSE as THE GUY and my choice was refused, could I say 'Okay, I don't prefer this person, but I can at least see why they chose him and I don't exactly HATE them'?"
With that in mind- Dean Ambrose seems like the best option- not only is Ambrose close to the top, and not only does Ambrose have his own huge fanbase, but just as importantly- if you support an AJ Styles, a Cesaro, a Kevin Owens, a Sami Zayn, etc.- you could at least think "Okay, he's not my first choice, but I can live with him as THE GUY"- perfect for the top guy in WWE.
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Post by The Ichi on May 6, 2016 0:52:03 GMT -5
Is it really possible to have multiple "guys" on a completely equal level while there's a world championship that explicitly states by its mere existence that one guy is the best? World champ = the guy hasn't been true for a LONG time.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on May 6, 2016 0:58:31 GMT -5
Is it really possible to have multiple "guys" on a completely equal level while there's a world championship that explicitly states by its mere existence that one guy is the best? Just because you have a world champion doesn't mean you can't have a handful of other guys who think they're the best or could lay claim to that mantle. To use a sports analogy, Steph Curry is hurt right now and it's probably going to take a healthy version of him for the Warriors to eventually beat the Spurs. If the Spurs go on to win the NBA Title, they're still the best team in the league, but if you're the Warriors, you still think you could have taken them out had your best player not been hurt and you're licking your chops until next season.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on May 6, 2016 2:27:54 GMT -5
Sami and Bayley
But yeah we should have multiple TOP draws
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Post by 魔界5号 on May 6, 2016 2:43:37 GMT -5
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 6, 2016 6:10:12 GMT -5
Is it really possible to have multiple "guys" on a completely equal level while there's a world championship that explicitly states by its mere existence that one guy is the best? Yes, because you'd have multiple guys constantly gunning for the title, no matter who currently wears it. Look at a well run sports league, you don't have just the one team you know from day one of the season is going to be crowned after the end of a procession, you have multiple that you know are in with a chance, plus one dark horse wh hits a run of form and gets up there too toward midseason. The sports leagues tend not to have commentators go out there and run down all teams aside from their chosen one, they don't go out there and stack the deck to ensure a coronation of the team they believe is more marketable at the expense of the league as a whole, sure poor decisions are made sometimes, but never open burials of the kind the WWE have turned into an art form. A worked sport should at least have the illusion of competitiveness to get people engrossed in the storylines so the or nothing approach taken by the WWE is insane. By going down that route they're intentionally trying to leave nothing for the audience to enjoy if they don't buy the story they want to tell, yes, I know they have the midcard, but the main event scene is the focus of the company, the one storyline mentioned as much in hour one as in hour 3 and the one the PPV shows will be built around.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 6:23:28 GMT -5
Ideally there wouldn't be just one single guy, as I don't think anyone (even Cena) has managed to pull off that role with real success. Reigns should one ONE OF the guys of this era, alongside Ambrose, Rollins and Wyatt.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 6, 2016 9:21:14 GMT -5
Primo Colon...the world is yours.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on May 6, 2016 9:23:39 GMT -5
Me.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 6, 2016 9:33:04 GMT -5
Is it really possible to have multiple "guys" on a completely equal level while there's a world championship that explicitly states by its mere existence that one guy is the best? Yes, they've done it before with Rock, Austin,Hunter, Angle and Taker all on the same level.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 6, 2016 9:48:24 GMT -5
OK, I've gotten a lot of responses in regards to my post, so instead of answering them all individually, I'll just answer here.
I know that it's possible in general for guys that aren't currently the champion to presented as an equal to the champion, and I probably shouldn't have stated otherwise. It's just... Look at the Roman Reigns situation. Along with being the champion, he's obviously being presented as the top guy, much to the resentment of many. You have AJ Styles as the current the #1 Contender, and has been presented as a pretty big deal too. Hell, he's actually won more matches on TV this year than Reigns has. But nobody here would buy that he's actually on Reigns's equal even if WWE said he was, because he's not the World Champion and/or not beating Reigns himself. They probably HAVE said it at some point, but because he's not the champion, he just isn't. That's what I meant when I ask if it's possible anymore.
Commentary has really got a lot to answer for in this regard. Because they've gone such a hard sell on Reigns (and previously Cena), your normal standard putting over just looks like they're not even trying.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 6, 2016 9:50:05 GMT -5
Eva Marie.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 6, 2016 9:59:18 GMT -5
OK, I've gotten a lot of responses in regards to my post, so instead of answering them all individually, I'll just answer here. I know that it's possible in general for guys that aren't currently the champion to presented as an equal to the champion, and I probably shouldn't have stated otherwise. It's just... Look at the Roman Reigns situation. Along with being the champion, he's obviously being presented as the top guy, much to the resentment of many. You have AJ Styles as the current the #1 Contender, and has been presented as a pretty big deal too. Hell, he's actually won more matches on TV this year than Reigns has. But nobody here would buy that he's actually on Reigns's equal even if WWE said he was, because he's not the World Champion and/or not beating Reigns himself. They probably HAVE said it at some point, but because he's not the champion, he just isn't. That's what I meant when I ask if it's possible anymore. Commentary has really got a lot to answer for in this regard. Because they've gone such a hard sell on Reigns (and previously Cena), your normal standard putting over just looks like they're not even trying. If you look at how AJ has been booked, Roman is better though. AJ lost at the PPV after dudes interfered on his behalf and he hit his freaking finish on the dude. You can do finishes where Roman doesn't get beat and AJ still looks like an equal but that wasn't it. AJ lost clean and then admitted he got beat the next night on Raw without even bringing up the two restarts. It don't matter what the commentary says when we see something entirely different with our own eyes in the presentation of the product. That finish wasn't about protecting AJ at all. It was about getting over this goofy McMahon storyline. If people don't see AJ as an equal, that's WWE's own fault for how they've presented this story up to this point. You can have multiple top guys who are on virtually the same level (and even then, there will be a pecking order if you really pay attention) if you take enough care to protect people at the right time. Outside of a select few, WWE couldn't protect a bowl of jello with how they book and how they structure their shows.
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Post by alexwrightspackage on May 6, 2016 13:13:33 GMT -5
As one The Guy, I'll go Dean Ambrose. But main eventers always need a good heel, otherwise you get John Cena.
So ideally, I'd love to see DA, Sami, KO, Seth, Shinsuke, Cesaro as the ol' Smackdown Six, with AJ and Finn in there from time to time as well. That'll be good for a couple of years, until the young uns are ready to take over.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:16:24 GMT -5
I honestly don't care, as long as it's either the face getting the most cheers or the heel getting the most heel heat (as opposed to booed out of the building heat).
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Post by Instant Classic on May 6, 2016 13:16:26 GMT -5
The Shield
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Post by sportatorium on May 6, 2016 13:39:25 GMT -5
They didn't want to go with Daniel Bryan no matter how many times the audience tried to tell them he was "the guy". So, my thought of Sami Zayn is probably not worth much.
Otherwise, just book Lesnar as "the guy" & go back to having him be a part time champion. He's 100% over, is the same guy whether he fights faces or heels and has credibility with the audience.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:49:48 GMT -5
The choice is clear:
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Post by Hit Girl on May 6, 2016 13:52:45 GMT -5
None
They need to get over this dumb mindset of just pushing one guy to the moon, and parity booking everyone else.
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Post by benstudd on May 8, 2016 6:04:05 GMT -5
If they had played their cards right, it could have been Bray Wyatt. They could have pushed him as a freakin monster, a Mankind mixed with Raven, only ten times scarier. A clash between him and Brock Lesnar could have been credible and epic. It's almost funny to think about this now.
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