Matt/EC3 double turn 6 months later

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

The EC3/Matt Hardy double turn. Originally, nobody was buying babyface Matt Hardy as champion and they had EC3 do the bitch shit of throwing a fit and having a pointless tournament. 

To everyones surprise they had Matt become a heel and EC3 a babyface. We've gotten two great characters from Matt in the form of Money Matt and Broken Matt Hardy. Meanwhile EC3 has done nothing of note and has become as bland a babyface character their is in TNA. 

Was everything that lead up to this worth it?

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Well it wasn't EC3's fault that he got paired with Mr Maria Kanellis. He's actually much much better when he's working in indies like evolve. Regarding Hardy, I think he accidentally got over, the broken character was meant to be a serious character but he embraced the shittiness surrounding it.

I give Hardy the edge because he made chicken salad out of chicken shit, while ec3 regressed. Although if I were tna I would focus my attention on ec3, since the Hardys came out publicly and said that they wanted to retire in the wwe. They're gonna pull a Bubbah Ray Dudley on Dixie, become the face of the company, only to run away. And Dixie is just too stupid to realize it.

[SAJ Forth]

Jul 15, 2016 23:52:43 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Well it wasn't EC3's fault that he got paired with Mr Maria Kanellis. He's actually much much better when he's working in indies like evolve. Regarding Hardy, I think he accidentally got over, the broken character was meant to be a serious character but he embraced the shittiness surrounding it.

I give Hardy the edge because he made chicken salad out of chicken shit, while ec3 regressed. Although if I were tna I would focus my attention on ec3, since the Hardys came out publicly and said that they wanted to retire in the wwe. They're gonna pull a Bubbah Ray Dudley on Dixie, become the face of the company, only to run away. And Dixie is just too stupid to realize it.

I do agree. Ethan did his best, but the feud being a bit bland wasn't his fault.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

The EC3 character is simply not meant to be a face. Matt should've turned heel on someone else.

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Have Drew beat Matt in the semifinals then EC3 in the finals, having EC3's first pinfall loss come to someone who warrants it instead of Mike Bennett, giving Matt an actual face to turn heel on to get the belt, and giving room for Drew's cash-in on Matt to be some kind of triumph, bam, everything works way better while still having more or less the same final result except EC3 doesn't have to become a shitty face. And additionally could be used to give the Matt / Jeff feud some extra fire, since Matt could be additionally pissed over the title being fought over by the two guys he beat to win it before he had to forfeit it and at Jeff for causing that situation to begin with, and Jeff could point out in response that due to both guys having beaten him before Matt likely wouldn't have won the title without his help.

[jimmyjames]

I wasn't a fan of Money Matt, but Broken Matt Hardy is one the best things in a long time, not just in TNA, but in wrestling. That's the kick in the butt of about TNA, the things that at first look like crap, EC3 first months, the idea of Lashley as champion, and Matt Hardy as champ, let alone Broken Maatt Hardy turn out to be great.

On the other hand, turning EC3 as face was bad, but it might have been better if he wasn't paired against Mr. Blandy McBland Kanellis. What made him so great as heel, taunting and taking back to the fans, his arrogance now as face comes off as just trying for chreap laughs and cheap pop for the Impact denizens. Maybe it would be different if he was facing someone with even a hint of charisma or even made you want to care about but Mr. Kanellis just sucks, and that suck rubs off on the people he's feuding with.

[cabbageboy]

The problem with Carter is that he never really turned face. There's no real reason to like him at all other than Matt Hardy completely outsmarted him. If TNA had sold it as a privileged heel finally getting his comeuppance and then he behaved in a different way then it might have worked. But it's always tough to turn a rich guy heel into a believable face. It's the same problem Del Rio had in WWE. There is a reason some guys like Dibiase and JBL were never really faces again after doing the rich man gimmick.

[JoDaNa1281]

I like them both, but of the 2, Matt is indeed doing a bit better with first "Big Money Matt" & now "Broken" Matt Hardy, with the latter being one of the most entertaining acts in all of wrestling at the moment.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Feel the same way as I did then. The turn angle by itself? Fantastic. Everything surrounding it? Moronic.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

I would be a lot more behind EC3 as a face if Dixie had turned against him (and taken off television shortly thereafter). Have him lose his fortune, his title, everything. Have him express remorse for all the crap he has done. To me - they just had a guy turn heel on him which isn't enough reason to cheer for him.

[benstudd]

I knew EC3 turning face was a mistake the moment it happened.

It's like Reby put an hex on EC3 and all the coolness was sucked from his body and went into Matt.

Remember EC3 was the one doing all the great heel skits on the net before BFG.

EC3 as Top face has failed. Go back to be entertaining as a heel. This way TNA will have multiple entertaining heels from Matt to EC3 to Lashley to Eli Drake.

Then your faces are Galloway, Moose, Jeff and maybe someone new. 

And release Bennett. 

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Jul 16, 2016 1:49:56 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

The EC3 character is simply not meant to be a face. Matt should've turned heel on someone else.

Agreed. EC3 is one of the only things I like about recent TNA, but as a babyface it just makes no sense. TNA has so many illogical turns.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jul 25, 2016 8:02:47 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Jul 16, 2016 1:49:56 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

The EC3 character is simply not meant to be a face. Matt should've turned heel on someone else.

Agreed. EC3 is one of the only things I like about recent TNA, but as a babyface it just makes no sense. TNA has so many illogical turns.

It's not that he can't do it per se it's the fact that he and TNA refuse to change

It's like The Miz character, you're a great damn heel but bringing your heel schtick to the babyface side is only going to get you groans. 

You have to give me a reason to cheer you other than you being a pandering insincere ass.  

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EC3 should never have turned good. His character just doesn't work as a face.

Someone else should have been the face.

[A Platypus Rave]

Jul 17, 2016 14:12:09 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

. Have him express remorse for all the crap he has done. To me - they just had a guy turn heel on him which isn't enough reason to cheer for him.

It's Randy Orton's legend killer Face Turn all over again...

sure I was a prick for years and showed no remorse for it ... but those guys kicked my ass!

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

Broken Matt Hardy made Matt Hardy matter for the first time since 2005 and drew the highest rating in TNA since going to Pop. EC3 had done nothing worth while as a face and really became bland and does help working with someone even more bland.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Aug 5, 2016 9:11:15 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Jul 17, 2016 14:12:09 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

. Have him express remorse for all the crap he has done. To me - they just had a guy turn heel on him which isn't enough reason to cheer for him.

It's Randy Orton's legend killer Face Turn all over again...

sure I was a prick for years and showed no remorse for it ... but those guys kicked my ass!

I'd say this is worse. While Orton didn't have any type of "epiphany", he did win the title cleanly and instead of HHH and Evolution being happy for him, turned on him out of jealousy.

Matt Hardy turned heel on EC3...literally because he wanted to beat him by out heeling him.