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Post by warriorthug4edge on Jul 25, 2016 2:03:45 GMT -5
There's always the possibility Shane and Steph work a deal where the WWE and Women's Champ work both shows. That's what happened in the original brand split. Don't see it happening. I can, simply because I can see Steph being desperate to have a shot at the WWE title being on Raw. Shane refuses, and keeps refusing, and then Steph says, "I'll even let Charlotte defend on SmackDown Live if you'll agree to let Dean defend on Raw," Foley eggs him on as being anti-woman for not immediately agreeing, and Shane, chastened, allows it. That said, I think Dean keeps the belt a while. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 25, 2016 2:10:35 GMT -5
I don't see the WWE title being crossbrand.
I can see the Women's and Tag being crossbrand.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jul 25, 2016 2:14:37 GMT -5
I care a hundred times more for Nattie then I do Becky (Which is not at all) so she has at least one fan.
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Post by sonofsharknado on Jul 25, 2016 2:17:44 GMT -5
Vince doesn't understand what an underdog is. It's part of his hypermasculine, aggressive, psychotic personality. There is no difference, in Vince's mind, between "Underdog" and "f***ing loser piece of shit."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 25, 2016 2:37:48 GMT -5
I don't see the WWE title being crossbrand. I can see the Women's and Tag being crossbrand. Tag titles and Women's title def have to be crossbrand Just come up with some BS rule or ranking system. If anything WWE could of just made the Tag titles crossbrand and left the women to Raw and Smackdown got the cruiserweights or vice versa. They created a headache dividing the women up. |
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jul 25, 2016 3:06:07 GMT -5
They should turn her into a female Tomoaki Honma.
She always loses, but the fans haven't stopped loving her. Keep up this losing streak gimmick and when she finally wins, the pop will be huge, just like the one Honma got when he beat Shibata on Friday.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 25, 2016 3:28:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 3:31:36 GMT -5
They should turn her into a female Tomoaki Honma. She always loses, but the fans haven't stopped loving her. Keep up this losing streak gimmick and when she finally wins, the pop will be huge, just like the one Honma got when he beat Shibata on Friday. She's the female Dean Ambrose all the way through. She'll get it and she'll do well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 5:36:15 GMT -5
She'll beat Naty at Summerslam. Kind of naive to think Becky will ever win a feud. She's only retaliated twice in 3 months. That is the kind of intangible that needs to be discussed. Forget Natalya beating her; the real issue is Becky is a wimp |
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jul 25, 2016 5:38:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 5:39:55 GMT -5
Yeah, she'll have to take that L tonight. Just don't really care for all the jobber talk when she actually has a winning record this year. At worst, she's not a good big match wrestler (1-4 in PPV this year). I understand your metrics but I look at the intangible of how many times Becky got wailed on versus how many times Becky retaliated. Its disproportionately high. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 25, 2016 5:50:08 GMT -5
Yeah, she'll have to take that L tonight. Just don't really care for all the jobber talk when she actually has a winning record this year. At worst, she's not a good big match wrestler (1-4 in PPV this year). I understand your metrics but I look at the intangible of how many times Becky got wailed on versus how many times Becky retaliated. Its disproportionately high. I always thought that was pretty even, to be honest. There have been at least three separate instances this year of Lynch attacking her rival pre-match leading to said matches not starting, anyway. Another problem is that, as the babyface, a lot of her retaliation has to be more reactive as opposed to proactive because of the "higher moral code" that babyfaces are held to. If she was attacking Natalya every single week, and Natalya only had the one beatdown that originally set it off, who looks like the heel? |
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jul 25, 2016 7:58:59 GMT -5
Wasn't too long ago that Dean had a baffling losing streak, and stuff like TVs exploding sparks in his face randomly making him lose matches, etc.
Becky will get a push and be a champ at some point I'm sure, so I'm not focusing too much on the minor negative parts of the show last night.
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Post by JCBaggee on Jul 25, 2016 8:19:43 GMT -5
I don't see the WWE title being crossbrand. I can see the Women's and Tag being crossbrand. Tag titles and Women's title def have to be crossbrand Just come up with some BS rule or ranking system. If anything WWE could of just made the Tag titles crossbrand and left the women to Raw and Smackdown got the cruiserweights or vice versa. They created a headache dividing the women up. I've been saying for a while, Main Event & Superstars should be declared crossbrand for the purpose of establishing contendership and used to build feuds for the titles that are across both shows. That way you give people a reason to watch those two shows and can explain why your champs and #1 Contenders never show up on them. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 25, 2016 8:19:56 GMT -5
I understand your metrics but I look at the intangible of how many times Becky got wailed on versus how many times Becky retaliated. Its disproportionately high. I always thought that was pretty even, to be honest. There have been at least three separate instances this year of Lynch attacking her rival pre-match leading to said matches not starting, anyway. Another problem is that, as the babyface, a lot of her retaliation has to be more reactive as opposed to proactive because of the "higher moral code" that babyfaces are held to. If she was attacking Natalya every single week, and Natalya only had the one beatdown that originally set it off, who looks like the heel? and then people on this forum would be talking about how Natty was obviously the face  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 8:31:43 GMT -5
I understand your metrics but I look at the intangible of how many times Becky got wailed on versus how many times Becky retaliated. Its disproportionately high. I always thought that was pretty even, to be honest. There have been at least three separate instances this year of Lynch attacking her rival pre-match leading to said matches not starting, anyway. Another problem is that, as the babyface, a lot of her retaliation has to be more reactive as opposed to proactive because of the "higher moral code" that babyfaces are held to. If she was attacking Natalya every single week, and Natalya only had the one beatdown that originally set it off, who looks like the heel? I don't want that. You're kind of missing my point. I want there to be where you have the heel with the upper hand, but you also want the babyface to show that there is more than a chance that they will get the win at the big match. My complaint is that I can't take a babyface seriously in a feud where they are predominantly presented as either stupid or helpless. Becky Lynch is depicted as both stupid and helpless. And, I hate saying that because Becky was my favorite of the Four Horsewomen, and it pains me that Sprocket will probably never accomplish much besides being the punching bag of the Women's division. |
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Post by MrElijah on Jul 25, 2016 8:33:02 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 25, 2016 8:45:40 GMT -5
I always thought that was pretty even, to be honest. There have been at least three separate instances this year of Lynch attacking her rival pre-match leading to said matches not starting, anyway. Another problem is that, as the babyface, a lot of her retaliation has to be more reactive as opposed to proactive because of the "higher moral code" that babyfaces are held to. If she was attacking Natalya every single week, and Natalya only had the one beatdown that originally set it off, who looks like the heel? I don't want that. You're kind of missing my point. I want there to be where you have the heel with the upper hand, but you also want the babyface to show that there is more than a chance that they will get the win at the big match. My complaint is that I can't take a babyface seriously in a feud where they are predominantly presented as either stupid or helpless. Becky Lynch is depicted as both stupid and helpless. And, I hate saying that because Becky was my favorite of the Four Horsewomen, and it pains me that Sprocket will probably never accomplish much besides being the punching bag of the Women's division. OK, so what is she supposed to do to not be stupid and helpless in your opinion? I don't think anyone is expecting her to become some paranoid loner that refuses to befriend people out of fear they'll turn on her, because I think THAT would hurt the character more than anything by taking away the fun personality most are attracted to. |
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