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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 1:48:29 GMT -5
I just got a PS3 last year. As a dude in my late thirties, I probably won't get a new system for a long time, maybe ever. So no, they shouldn't screw over consumers who have bought their product to get them to buy more. That's like Mr. Burns blocking the sun level of shitty ideas. Now that part is Sony's fault. Sales of new PS3s should have been discontinued immediately after the PS4's release, to move things ahead faster.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 31, 2016 1:54:27 GMT -5
And here's the thing, you're coming at it like the obsolete console would force people's hand to upgrade to the new console. A percentage would, but a whole lot more would be done with the company's products for good. It's just a weird scenario to propose.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 31, 2016 1:55:17 GMT -5
I just got a PS3 last year. As a dude in my late thirties, I probably won't get a new system for a long time, maybe ever. So no, they shouldn't screw over consumers who have bought their product to get them to buy more. That's like Mr. Burns blocking the sun level of shitty ideas. Now that part is Sony's fault. Sales of new PS3s should have been discontinued immediately after the PS4's release, to move things ahead faster. But see, that would've meant that I wouldn't have bought one of their consoles. I didn't WANT a PS4. I wanted a PS3.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 2:01:18 GMT -5
And here's the thing, you're coming at it like the obsolete console would force people's hand to upgrade to the new console. A percentage would, but a whole lot more would be done with the company's products for good. It's just a weird scenario to propose. That's why, in general, they would need to be upfront about this stuff for future consoles. It's probably too late to try to forcibly retire the PS3, we may be stuck with it for a long time to come. Like put on the box, "Enjoy full support until (exactly 10 years after release date). Beyond that, it's your problem" in more polite market speak. Then people would know they are buying a 10-year console, or a 5-year console if they buy it 5 years after its initial release date, etc. So then you would know you're paying X dollars for X amount of time worth of gameplay from the very start, and people would be able to make their investments based on such upfront information. 10 years is pretty generous. Maybe they could stretch it longer, like 15 years if they have to, but at least have a plan.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 31, 2016 2:04:47 GMT -5
Is the PS4 100% back compatible with the PS3 games and accessories? No? Then its a very stupid idea. As someone with over 30 consoles, that is a very dumb idea.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 31, 2016 2:07:35 GMT -5
This thread is f***ing weird, man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 2:13:37 GMT -5
This thread is f***ing weird, man. This is primarily a thought exercise on how the general public should handle old stuff. It's not like pre-2005 when stuff generally wasn't on the Internet, and people could independently make choices on how long they wish to use old stuff without affecting the general public's ability to continue going ahead. For example, PS1 and PS2 users had no effect on each other, as there was little or no interdependency. I don't actually hate the PS3 or anything, I just decided to use it as an example of the potential of old tech being a drag on new tech. We are one big online crowd now, so much interconnectivity. The old stuff keeps holding everyone else back, as more work is done to keep supporting it. And the people who have the latest new stuff might resent having to share the Internet with those who keep the old stuff. As in "Keep up or get out of the way". Remember all the web designers who were FORCED to keep supporting Internet Explorer 6 for so many years, for example?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 2:17:01 GMT -5
I don't know if your trolling or not but what your deal with the PS3? Sony isn't going to brick the system in order to make people buy the PS4 and people are not going to get rid of their older system because the newer system is out especially when the PS4 isn't backward compatible with the PS3. Plus Sony isn't going to retired the PS3 any time soon when they can still make money off of it and other companies are still willing to make games for it too.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 31, 2016 2:27:12 GMT -5
The danger is, the longer the PS3 goes, the more people will be invested in it, and the harder it will be to get rid of it once it is too old. This would be Sony's chance to jump ahead of the curve while there's still time. If people are still using the PS3 when the PS5 (and maybe even PS6) comes out, then that's 3/4 concurrent generations that Sony has to support/public has to deal with. Sony will continue to do what they've always done: gradually phase out support for the previous generation and let people upgrade in their own time. Developers ceasing to produce new games for outdated systems does the job of encouraging people to upgrade anyway, no need for extreme tactics like bricking systems, which will do nothing but ruin any brand loyalty consumers have. Seriously, if Microsoft were to brick my 360, I'm not buying an Xbox One.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 31, 2016 2:39:07 GMT -5
This thread is f***ing weird, man. This is primarily a thought exercise on how the general public should handle old stuff. It's not like pre-2005 when stuff generally wasn't on the Internet, and people could independently make choices on how long they wish to use old stuff without affecting the general public's ability to continue going ahead. For example, PS1 and PS2 users had no effect on each other, as there was little or no interdependency. I don't actually hate the PS3 or anything, I just decided to use it as an example of the potential of old tech being a drag on new tech. We are one big online crowd now, so much interconnectivity. The old stuff keeps holding everyone else back, as more work is done to keep supporting it. And the people who have the latest new stuff might resent having to share the Internet with those who keep the old stuff. As in "Keep up or get out of the way". Remember all the web designers who were FORCED to keep supporting Internet Explorer 6 for so many years, for example? I don't think anyone wants to be part of your thought exercise.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 31, 2016 2:55:27 GMT -5
OP should send his resume to Microsoft and include this thread in it. Guaranteed job.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 3:02:16 GMT -5
OP should send his resume to Microsoft and include this thread in it. Guaranteed job. Xbox 920 Two. Your system well brick if you don't keep it connected to the Internet 24/7, 365 days a year. Also you well get a SWAT team called on you if you try to play a used game on the system.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jul 31, 2016 3:04:28 GMT -5
Not a good idea. We are at a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the next generations of consoles. Sure the PS4 has slightly better graphics over the PS3, but we aren't talking a huge leap like from the 2600 to NES.
That and it is just bad business. What if it was other tech like smart TVs, they brick your current one to so you can get a few bucks off of a new 4K tv that is almost useless since no stations broadcast in 4k, few even broadcast in full 1080 yet.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 31, 2016 4:52:24 GMT -5
I struggle to understand corporate apologist views but at least they're reacting to things that have already been done, actually asking to be screwed over is on a new level.
Although I guess it's just what MS wanted to do with their original vision of the XB1. Both MS and Sony have bricked a lot of their consoles too but that wasn't intentional.
Videogames could have learned from all the lost early films and TV shows but seem to be heading in a more disposable direction instead. It's a shame that's sometimes seen as progress.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jul 31, 2016 5:33:35 GMT -5
Unless they made it so you could play all PS3 games and transfer your progress over from them, this is just a dumb idea. And even then, I'd rather not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 6:07:41 GMT -5
without screwing them over. I'm not sure you understand what screwing over your consumers means in this case. If the main worry is the online store and servers than a far better way to fix the issue, if it even is an issue, would be to offer a unified store front across all of their consoles from this point forward, preferably including backwards compatibility. That way you never really have to deal with the store becoming obsolete. The servers for games will likely be switched off at some point once it stops being cost effective to keep them up, however with Sony charging for online play now that shouldn't really be a problem either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 7:05:05 GMT -5
Each idea is worse than the one before it. Like holy shit bad.
Is this even a worry that Sony has? And even if it was as a consumer why would I care? And if it was a thing for future consoles I would never buy one.
Planned obsolescence is a shitty thing for consumers.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 31, 2016 8:02:55 GMT -5
So imagine you buy a car from a company, say Ford. Eight years down the line, the engine dies. You tow it to the mechanic who tells you that Ford designed the cars to die so that you would have to buy a new car every eight years. Are you going to say "Well, geeze, I enjoyed this car, I'm going to go buy a new Ford today!"? No, you're going to say "Screw these guys, I'm going to buy a Honda." This idea would be fantastic for Sony's competitors. "Hey, our opponent's consoles are designed to lose functionality over time, ours aren't!"
The way you get people to buy into a new console is to provide value for it. To do that, you ensure that the product is good and that the games for it are worth justifying the purchase of a console, and/or you provide some other form of functionality that the public is interested in like the Wii did with motion controls. You don't derease functionality. Microsoft tried that with the X-Box One and the used game restrictions, and even if after they backed off of it and tried to convince people of some of the cool things they could do, it killed their rep and console sales for that generation. This idea would be that, but exponentially worse.
The thing you don't seem to take into account is that consoles are a luxury item, they're not a necessity. If a console dies, a person doesn't have to buy a new one, and they certainly don't have to buy their gaming from the company that sold them it before. You can't force the purchase of a luxury item, and trying to instill planned obsolescence into a luxury item will just kill your market for the majority of customers. No one needs a console to play a game, they have options to play almost every game out there. When you have a consumer making that purchase, you don't want them to regret it by making their console intentionally die, because there are other ways to spend that money that won't make a customer regret it.
And that's assuming that this is a problem Sony has in the first place. Continuing to support a console for longer periods of time makes financial sense, it adds value to the purchase and promotes further buy in. It also allows them to make money on sales of games and peripherals and other functions of that console. They know there are people who won't buy a new console from them, for those consumers it makes sense to continue trying to milk them by keeping the console they have running.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Jul 31, 2016 8:16:44 GMT -5
This idea is terrible on so many levels, and now I'm worried that some person involved in manufacturing consoles is going to do this in the future...
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 31, 2016 8:18:26 GMT -5
Release a PS4 that allows me to play my PS3 games ( with my saves) and I'd happily trade in the old console.
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