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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 12, 2016 16:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 16:43:17 GMT -5
I haven't watched it (or any other Netflix original, and I know nothing about the case really), but wasn't there some controversy that there actually was a lot of evidence against him that the makers of the documentary were just ignoring?
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Post by 魔界5号 on Aug 12, 2016 16:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Aug 12, 2016 17:21:01 GMT -5
I haven't watched it (or any other Netflix original, and I know nothing about the case really), but wasn't there some controversy that there actually was a lot of evidence against him that the makers of the documentary were just ignoring? Based on what I saw, it looked like a confused and scared young guy with possible cognitive difficulties being coerced and pressured into giving a false confession
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 12, 2016 17:36:19 GMT -5
I haven't watched it (or any other Netflix original, and I know nothing about the case really), but wasn't there some controversy that there actually was a lot of evidence against him that the makers of the documentary were just ignoring? that's the other guy Steven Avery.
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Post by Juice on Aug 12, 2016 18:17:25 GMT -5
I haven't watched it (or any other Netflix original, and I know nothing about the case really), but wasn't there some controversy that there actually was a lot of evidence against him that the makers of the documentary were just ignoring? There was a book written a few years before the netflix show that looks at this objectively. The author was a criminal prosecutor in the state. He did an interview on Midnight in the Desert a few months ago that was fascinating. Basically the show does only lean toward a conspiracy against Stephen Avery. That he was always innocent. The book and interview agree he was innocent of the first crime that put him in bars but was arressted something le 23 times before, was violent, possibly mentally disabled etc. The nephew is mmr and was probably telling the truth. Stephen used him to murder the girl among other things. Its super interesting and netflix has a great following but from a true crime perspective they did not offer the whole story and are even doing a follow up in the same vein. The nephew is guilty too and is only hetting out because his disabilitiy was used against him by investigators
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Aug 12, 2016 18:30:12 GMT -5
I haven't watched it (or any other Netflix original, and I know nothing about the case really), but wasn't there some controversy that there actually was a lot of evidence against him that the makers of the documentary were just ignoring? There was a book written a few years before the netflix show that looks at this objectively. The author was a criminal prosecutor in the state. Criminal prosecutor in the state, eh? A colleague of the snake that was the prosecutor in both cases. Strike one. The book and interview agree he [Stephen] was possibly mentally disabled etc. The nephew is mmr and was probably telling the truth. Stephen used him to murder the girl among other things. So he's mentally disabled AND a master manipulator crime genius capable of fooling and tricking millions of people? That's ... yeah ... something. I'm only making my comments for the sake of counterargument. People are going to come down on one side or the other and it's all good. Just pointing out some clear issues with the author of that book. No problem at all with the thought that he or they did or didn't do it. Just trying to say that the author has some holes, as do both sides.
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Post by wankah on Aug 12, 2016 18:31:47 GMT -5
That current attorney of Avery's been pretty active as well lately, wonder how much this thing has correlation to that case.
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Post by BRV on Aug 12, 2016 18:42:12 GMT -5
I'm all for giving Dassey a new trial, even though I think he is guilty, but to outright release him from jail really rubs me the wrong way. It honestly feels like they let a murderer walk out of jail because of a procedural gaff. His confession being coerced by police doesn't make him any less guilty of murder in my eyes.
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Post by Juice on Aug 12, 2016 20:18:43 GMT -5
There was a book written a few years before the netflix show that looks at this objectively. The author was a criminal prosecutor in the state. Criminal prosecutor in the state, eh? A colleague of the snake that was the prosecutor in both cases. Strike one. The book and interview agree he [Stephen] was possibly mentally disabled etc. The nephew is mmr and was probably telling the truth. Stephen used him to murder the girl among other things. So he's mentally disabled AND a master manipulator crime genius capable of fooling and tricking millions of people? That's ... yeah ... something. I'm only making my comments for the sake of counterargument. People are going to come down on one side or the other and it's all good. Just pointing out some clear issues with the author of that book. No problem at all with the thought that he or they did or didn't do it. Just trying to say that the author has some holes, as do both sides. I didnt say retarded i said disabled. I work with these individuals as career and to manipulate comes second nature to those people. It would be very easy to manipulate the nephew to slit a girls throat and rape her when his iq is about a 60. And dont counter argue just do so read the book know the facts then state an opinion
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 12, 2016 20:46:45 GMT -5
I think it's very safe to say that Wisconsin will not retry Dassey. There was so little evidence outside of the confession that has now been judged as involuntary.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Aug 12, 2016 21:17:28 GMT -5
I haven't watched it (or any other Netflix original, and I know nothing about the case really), but wasn't there some controversy that there actually was a lot of evidence against him that the makers of the documentary were just ignoring? that's the other guy Steven Avery. Is this the guy who was proven to have been an animal abuser?
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Post by Juice on Aug 12, 2016 21:42:56 GMT -5
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 13, 2016 11:27:21 GMT -5
Avery was always debatable and the documentary is biased, but there was no evidence against Brendan except his confession and an alarming number of people think that innocent people don't confess.
I'm not sure he should get out, but a retrial, yeah.
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Post by metylerca on Aug 13, 2016 11:35:21 GMT -5
You think he's watched WrestleMania 21 yet?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 13, 2016 11:35:24 GMT -5
Avery was always debatable and the documentary is biased, but there was no evidence against Brendan except his confession and an alarming number of people think that innocent people don't confess. I'm not sure he should get out, but a retrial, yeah. I think Dassey will be released. There's simply not enough evidence to try him without the confession.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 13, 2016 12:05:57 GMT -5
You think he's watched WrestleMania 21 yet? Of course. Don't be strange.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 13, 2016 14:39:51 GMT -5
You think he's watched WrestleMania 21 yet? Of course. Don't be strange. Is this an extremely obscure reference to the show? Because me and my lass tell each 'don't get strange' in a rural Wisconsin accent all the time.
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Post by LexExpress on Aug 14, 2016 16:39:11 GMT -5
Really, you thought that book didn't take sides? I thought the guy was so biased against Avery it was unreal. He even makes a point similar to one in the Netflix doc, that "even if" he didn't do the first crime, it's a shame he got released because Theresa would still be alive now. Plus his reasoning for why the police wouldn't have planted evidence is basically "I know them and they're sound blokes in my opinion". Hmmm.
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Post by Juice on Aug 14, 2016 16:54:24 GMT -5
Really, you thought that book didn't take sides? I thought the guy was so biased against Avery it was unreal. He even makes a point similar to one in the Netflix doc, that "even if" he didn't do the first crime, it's a shame he got released because Theresa would still be alive now. Plus his reasoning for why the police wouldn't have planted evidence is basically "I know them and they're sound blokes in my opinion". Hmmm. Nope because he constantly maintains his innocence in the first crime. Just because .Doesn't paint Avery as a victim considering his life of crime and violence that came before this stuff. Including holding a sheriffs wife at gun point and only letting her go when he saw a baby in the car. Again, seek out his interview with Heather Wade it is probably the best 3 hours of content examining. He even said he would have defended Avery the first time around if not for a conflict of interest. Did you read this book? Its been years since I have and I may be spotty but I think you're wrong on the tone.
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