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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 15, 2016 2:53:57 GMT -5
In terms of promo ability, yes. In terms of wrestling ability, it's kind of a wash since they're both not regular wrestlers. The comeuppance thing? You'd think Steph is worse since it never really happens, but Maria mostly gets hers from Dixie Carter, who is basically Stephanie without a notable measure of shoot competence.
It's hard to say. But the Stephanie stuff has really been overblown to all unholy high hell over the years, I think. It's very much a case of "Let the baby have her bottle" to me now. Let her run her mouth and feel big, nobody cares anymore, I'm not gonna cheer any less for Ambrose or Cesaro or whoever just because they're not gonna slap her around.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 15, 2016 3:42:45 GMT -5
Well Steph's husband isn't a waste of space with the personality of cardboard so... Pretty much it, Steph's husband is a main eventer, an unquestioned Hall of Famer, and can and has succeeded without her. Maria's husband, is where he is because he's married to her.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 15, 2016 5:17:18 GMT -5
not even close. Steph is one of the two main reasons I don't watch WWE these days. well, that and not having cable.
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Post by sunnytaker on Aug 15, 2016 12:05:51 GMT -5
nope. maria doesn't slap all the top male wrestlers on the impact roster knowing they can't touch her in retaliation yet, or talk down to them and interrupt them when they try to respond.
also if not for the hand injury Maria probably would have gotten her beatdown/comeuppance via Gail by now. just like steph got hers by...um...that time brie had her arrested for half an episode..? oh wait Vickie shoved her in a pool of pudding after getting...fired...oh. aha! making nikki fight all those handicap matches and getting beatup for weeks-so nikki could help br..er steph win the match against brie... ok I got nuthin...
though maria's hand should be healed soon I would think so they can go back to the gail vengeance thing. that's why the knockouts division has been spinning it wheels since maria got hurt.
in terms of husbands though steph got the better of that exchange as far as in ring results go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 12:53:09 GMT -5
Pretty much it, Steph's husband is a main eventer, an unquestioned Hall of Famer, and can and has succeeded without her. Maria's husband, is where he is because he's married to her. The irony in this comment.. just read it and think about it.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 15, 2016 13:07:48 GMT -5
Pretty much it, Steph's husband is a main eventer, an unquestioned Hall of Famer, and can and has succeeded without her. Maria's husband, is where he is because he's married to her. The irony in this comment.. just read it and think about it. HHH was a main-eventer and multi-time World Champion before he started dating Stephanie McMahon. I'd say he'd be Hall of Fame worthy even he hadn't gotten involved with her, but who knows how his carreer might have been without doing so. Would he have had as many World titles and current role in WWE if he wasn't married to her, no, but let's not pretend he was the Blandy McBland that is Mike Bennett.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 15, 2016 18:18:56 GMT -5
The irony in this comment.. just read it and think about it. HHH was a main-eventer and multi-time World Champion before he started dating Stephanie McMahon. I'd say he'd be Hall of Fame worthy even he hadn't gotten involved with her, but who knows how his carreer might have been without doing so. Would he have had as many World titles and current role in WWE if he wasn't married to her, no, but let's not pretend he was the Blandy McBland that is Mike Bennett. That's kind of the point of his post. Because you said "he is where he is because he married her"
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Post by benstudd on Aug 16, 2016 0:36:15 GMT -5
What matters is that I change the channel everytime both are on screen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 16:22:55 GMT -5
I'll say this... Steph has been the bigger nuisance to TV. She's been all over the screen for the last few years and it's really been a detriment at times. Maria is god awful at cutting promos right now, and considering she's one of the focal points in a division of like 7 women and she doesn't even wrestle... That's bad.
I'd much prefer Stephanie to be on screen because at least she can talk and not sound like she's a robot programmed to act like a sophisticated person (Maria isn't pulling that off at all), but I could do with less of her on TV. Thankfully she hasn't been around much at all since the brand split.
But yeah, Maria is awful. They're bad in different ways.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 16, 2016 18:44:30 GMT -5
I'll say this... Steph has been the bigger nuisance to TV. She's been all over the screen for the last few years and it's really been a detriment at times. Maria is god awful at cutting promos right now, and considering she's one of the focal points in a division of like 7 women and she doesn't even wrestle... That's bad. I'd much prefer Stephanie to be on screen because at least she can talk and not sound like she's a robot programmed to act like a sophisticated person (Maria isn't pulling that off at all), but I could do with less of her on TV. Thankfully she hasn't been around much at all since the brand split. But yeah, Maria is awful. They're bad in different ways. This I def agree with
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Post by SAJ Forth on Aug 18, 2016 16:10:45 GMT -5
The villain for the Knockouts Divison isn't Maria, but Gail Kim. With her about to Cena her way through the division toward the belt, and the fact that she's been the main focus over Jade and Sienna she's wqorst than Maria. Even worse, because of spoilers, this angle will get worse. {Spoiler}Sienna loses her belt to Allie, who in storyline isn't a wrestler, who then lays down in a match with Maria.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 6:42:16 GMT -5
I like how people are taking shots at Mike Bennett for being where he is because of his wife in defense of a woman who is where she is because of her father and a man who is practically running the WWE because of who he married.
I mean, Bennett is trash, but let's not bury our heads in the sand here.
And to answer the OP, no. Stephanie hurts the product way more than Maria.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2016 6:56:31 GMT -5
I think Stephanie is easily the superior performer but she is also the more inexcusably bad character. More or less how I feel. That isn't to say I don't think it gets f***ing creepy sometimes how "emasculation" is the word for people use for not getting to hit the boss for saying mean things to you, but Steph is foiled less often than she ought to be. Maybe if her only match hadn't been with Brie, who frankly didn't have the chops for it and ended up looking like the non-wrestler of the two by virtue of Steph actually doing a great job and winning the crowd to her side, that'd help. A more sympathetic face, a more talented wrestler, one of those would have helped the situation be much less frustrating, but they leave her interacting with men too much and whenever things happen like Dolph's win, they walk it back entirely too much, too fast. Steph has consequences from time to time, but they don't stick, which is part of a bigger problematic trend in WWE's writing (See, Shane and Wrestlemania and his mysterious box of mystery for another example of that). Meanwhile, Maria's an inferior performer in her role, with much poorer writing in terms of justification for why she's even IN that position, given Bennett was a midcard act from ROH/NJPW and didn't secure the world title or something to explain why she'd even have leverage to begin with. No blackmail, middling star power, no familial connection, no riches, nothing, there is no adequate explanation for why she is an authority figure, other than us being told Bennett is a big deal with little evidence of it.
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Post by Shark on Aug 19, 2016 17:14:27 GMT -5
I like how people are taking shots at Mike Bennett for being where he is because of his wife in defense of a woman who is where she is because of her father and a man who is practically running the WWE because of who he married. I mean, Bennett is trash, but let's not bury our heads in the sand here. And to answer the OP, no. Stephanie hurts the product way more than Maria. At least Triple H has shown with NXT and the CWC that he's deserving of that role. Maybe the way he got there wasn't 100% kosher, but he's not undeserving of it. And let's be fair, Hunter and Stephanie are in love, this isn't some for show marriage. Bennett is only in TNA because of Maria, and frankly I'm baffled why TNA even wanted her in the first place, and he doesn't have the talent to back up his push. Can we just agree that both women suck and make their respective products worse?
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Post by Timmy8271 on Aug 20, 2016 1:10:14 GMT -5
All time? No Steph is much worse. Right now? Stephanie is bad but the minor league ripoff Stephanie Mcmahon gimmick Maria is doing is even worse. Maria and the Miracle are just god awful and make me hate watching TNA.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Aug 23, 2016 16:31:12 GMT -5
No. Because Maria is only bossing around the Knockouts.
I can't imagine her trying to emasculate Broken Matt Hardy.
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Post by lizzurd on Aug 24, 2016 3:16:14 GMT -5
I like Stephanie.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 24, 2016 6:48:40 GMT -5
Pretty much it, Steph's husband is a main eventer, an unquestioned Hall of Famer, and can and has succeeded without her. Maria's husband, is where he is because he's married to her. The irony in this comment.. just read it and think about it. Let's not get silly now. Mike Bennett will go to bed every night dreaming that he had a fraction of the success that HHH had before he met Stephanie.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 24, 2016 13:34:11 GMT -5
The irony in this comment.. just read it and think about it. Let's not get silly now. Mike Bennett will go to bed every night dreaming that he had a fraction of the success that HHH had before he met Stephanie. Guy gets to go to bed with Maria, I'm thinking HHH isn't on his mind at all.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Aug 26, 2016 3:28:37 GMT -5
Maria was great in ROH as a manager, occasional promo. She's not at all great in her current role: completely unlikable, devoid of presence. Feels completely second rate.
At least Steph is barely on TV anymore.
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