Eva Marie has been over and stayed over since day one.

[FAR5222]

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Good thread, would like again.

[Perd]

Add the way word hung to the front of the word over and you've got something.

[No Name is needed Bro Beans]

After this bump in the road reward her with the goddamn title already

[Alice Syndrome]

In the same way Michael Cole was the best heel of 2011

[ISO Mid Thigh Pull]

#FreeHer

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Aug 18, 2016 22:48:22 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

#FreeHer

Suspended for being too over #conspiracy

[cool]

Aug 18, 2016 22:46:22 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

In the same way Michael Cole was the best heel of 2011

Either way She is still a great heel.

[Push R Truth]

Eva Marie is a terrible wrestler, but even I can't ignore that she seems to completely understand the art of making people hate you. She's a good heel.


But she's still a terrible wrestler. Personally, I think she should be in a role similar to Lana. Take advantage of your natural ability to work a crowd, yet not endanger your other wrestlers too often by actually wrestling. Which oddly enough, seems to have been her current gimmick

[g1megatronfan]

I always thought there were two types of reactions for heel wrestlers:

1. They're so good at being heels that fans want to pay money to see them get their asses kicked.

2. They are just so untalented that fans want them gone and are insulted that they have to pay money to see them in horrible matches.

Eva falls in number 2 here. As long as they operate under the notion of any reaction besides silence as being "good" then I guess she's a success...lol. There is no way in hell she gets anything close to resembling number 1. Fans genuinely want her gone. Erased from their memories of ever being there in the first place.

[Deleted]

People aren't booing her. They're booing the idea of her, what she represents.

You could stick ANYBODY in that role and they'd do at least as good a job. She isn't doing anything remarkable.

[ISO Mid Thigh Pull]

Aug 19, 2016 10:37:41 GMT -5 @rrnew said:

People aren't booing her. They're booing the idea of her, what she represents.

You could stick ANYBODY in that role and they'd do at least as good a job. She isn't doing anything remarkable.

Do we love Harambe, or the idea of Harambe?

[Lupin the Third]

Aug 18, 2016 22:48:22 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

#FreeHer

Oh I'll free something. Hehehe....

[Psy]

Aug 19, 2016 10:42:01 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

Aug 19, 2016 10:37:41 GMT -5 @rrnew said:

People aren't booing her. They're booing the idea of her, what she represents.

You could stick ANYBODY in that role and they'd do at least as good a job. She isn't doing anything remarkable.

Do we love Harambe, or the idea of Harambe?

I seriously don't want anyone here to get anything out for Eva Marie.

Not joking. Let's be better than that.

[Push R Truth]

Aug 19, 2016 10:37:41 GMT -5 @rrnew said:

People aren't booing her. They're booing the idea of her, what she represents.

You could stick ANYBODY in that role and they'd do at least as good a job. She isn't doing anything remarkable.

We are getting close to paradox land here. It's a perfect storm of shitty wrestler, taking advantage of WWE hate/perception of who gets pushed and attitude. If you replaced her with somebody less shitty, it would upset the storm and the reactions would be less. If you replaced her with somebody MORE shitty, it would have fallen apart because she'd be too dangerous.

The traditional thought of "a better wrestler would make a better final result" just doesn't apply.

[ISO Mid Thigh Pull]

Aug 19, 2016 10:53:13 GMT -5 Psy said:

Aug 19, 2016 10:42:01 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

Do we love Harambe, or the idea of Harambe?

I seriously don't want anyone here to get anything out for Eva Marie.

Not joking. Let's be better than that.

I wasn't even thinking of that bit.

Reported for pervery.

[saintpat]

Aug 19, 2016 9:42:57 GMT -5 g1megatronfan said:

I always thought there were two types of reactions for heel wrestlers:

1. They're so good at being heels that fans want to pay money to see them get their asses kicked.

2. They are just so untalented that fans want them gone and are insulted that they have to pay money to see them in horrible matches.

Eva falls in number 2 here. As long as they operate under the notion of any reaction besides silence as being "good" then I guess she's a success...lol. There is no way in hell she gets anything close to resembling number 1. Fans genuinely want her gone. Erased from their memories of ever being there in the first place.

To me, especially in recent years, there are two kinds of heels:

1) The ones you hate and want gone

2) The kind you cheer for

Wrestlers who are "great heels" who get cheered are no different to me than babyfaces who get booed -- they are "over" in getting reactions but they aren't getting the desired reaction. CM Punk got heat and was a good heel with the SES gimmick, but his "I want my Popsicles, your city's sports teams suck" version got a big pop when he came out, a smattering of lukewarm boos when he trashed the city/sports teams and otherwise a babyface reaction. Kevin Owens has great heel mannerisms and shtick, but doesn't really get heel reactions. Seth Rollins, same thing basically.

I can't think of too many heels who fall into your first category in the modern era -- who do you guys want to see get their asses kicked besides maybe Roman, who isn't a heel but might be at least close to a tweeter. Maybe Miz is the most successful in this area: few genuinely like him and he does get heat, but it's not overwhelming heat and I suspect if they started a major push it would quickly become "go home" heat because that would be taking things too far for some.

IMO, and please people don't take this as offense if you don't put yourself in this category, I'm obviously not talking about you, there's a lot of mark/smark stuff going on in some cases -- "I hate Eva and want her gone but it's not because she's a good heel, I'm too much of a smark to get that kind of reaction out of me," or "I'm a total mark for Kevin Owens/Seth Rolllins/whoever, they're great heels and I love them and want to see them succeed and get upset when they aren't booked to my liking, (which is to win)."

So the Stephanie, Vickie, Eva reactions to me are true heat and they should get credit for really getting over as heels in an era when that's harder to do.

I also think it's kind of interesting that it's more females who seem to get this kind of "I hate her and want her to go away, but don't tell me that's because she's a heel" reaction.

Just my two cents.

[Fauxnaki]

I can name of 30 days in which shes not over

[Mister Pigwell]

Aug 19, 2016 10:37:41 GMT -5 @rrnew said:

People aren't booing her. They're booing the idea of her, what she represents.

You could stick ANYBODY in that role and they'd do at least as good a job. She isn't doing anything remarkable.

I thought that at one point, I don't anymore. I think after the NXT fakeout that people lightened up on her (I know I sure did, took me that long to "get" what they were doing with her).

I think a lot of the booing at this point is playing along her at this point.
We know she's awful.
WWE knows she's awful.
We know, and they know, that we both know.
And Eva hopefully knows it too.

But this character is just so red hot with heat it's ridiculous to ignore it and not keep at it. There's too much trolling fun to be had.
I think Eva at this point is more of a joke people are in on.

Or I'm projecting and this is all just me.
*shrugs*

[mrbananagrabber]

Be quiet, you little dorks.