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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 22, 2016 17:59:21 GMT -5
Oh we do that every Monday, Tuesday, and one Sunday a month. If nothing else we're dependable for clucking like chickens at the slightest excitement. We didn't even get the Takeover honeymoon this time. Haha, and we BARELY did for Mania. These double headers are blowing our unwinding period.
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Post by Crow Dust on Aug 22, 2016 18:00:07 GMT -5
Sure but it's usually not this like this lol there were some people that acted as if Brocks head need to be on a pike i just don't understand how people care so much about something so easy to tell was worked or for that matter how anyone would defend someone who is actually a wrestler and should know it looked fake as hell after the elbows for not just waiting and asking Orton instead of getting all whiny. Jericho is from the old guard, he's got it in his system to protect "the boys" above all else. It's lergly a brotherhood for guys like him. Judging from the Ambrose comments (hell, Punk's old part timer rants for that matter), and how quick Jericho here was quick to get overheated, I'm wondering if there's a schism between the mainstays and Brock, and the regulars are looking at Brock as an outsider. Were I to guess, Jericho just got into an overprotective brother mindset and when he asked Hayes about it so he could get his head straight the lack of answer was enough to piss him off. Couple that with alpha male Brock adrenaline still 'being high from the match and they got into a pissing contest. I can see this from both their viewpoints. But you know who I can't? Hayes. f*** him on this one. Couldn't agree more from this perspective Hayes was a total dumbass and could have solved the entire situation.
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Post by Shai on Aug 22, 2016 18:00:29 GMT -5
Um, this was entirely avoidable, that is the point. Agreed upon or not, 2016 or 1916, letting someone elbow you in the head to split you open and have you bleed copious amounts of blood for the entertainment of others is crazed. It is even more crazed when it is 2016 and there other ways to achieve the look of having been split open by a person striking you in the head over and over again without actually inflicting the damage. Again, how is that any worse than say Diaz/McGregor on Saturday? Obviously it's a sport, but it still falls under the umbrella of entertainment. It was two people fighting in a cage, knocking each other senseless and bloodied, for the sake of money and the entertainment of others. Compared to one pre-agreed upon elbow to the forehead to add impact and emotion to a worked wrestling match. Yet one is normal and the other is 'crazed'? I think this has to do with the fact that UFC is a legitimate sport and WWE....isn't.
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 22, 2016 18:00:31 GMT -5
Jericho may be a part-timer who on the side has his rock band, but instances like this, you can see how much passion and love he has for the business and for the guys in the back.
I like Brock as well, but most of the time, he honestly really doesn't seem to care much for either.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Aug 22, 2016 18:02:51 GMT -5
Recall the hilarious time that Jericho fought Goldberg, got him in a headlock, and then shat himself and realised that he couldn't let Goldberg get back up so it just stayed like that for about five minutes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2016 18:03:12 GMT -5
Sure but it's usually not this like this lol there were some people that acted as if Brocks head need to be on a pike i just don't understand how people care so much about something so easy to tell was worked or for that matter how anyone would defend someone who is actually a wrestler and should know it looked fake as hell after the elbows for not just waiting and asking Orton instead of getting all whiny. Jericho is from the old guard, he's got it in his system to protect "the boys" above all else. It's largely a brotherhood for guys like him. Judging from the Ambrose comments (hell, Punk's old part timer rants for that matter), and how quick Jericho here was quick to get overheated, I'm wondering if there's a schism between the mainstays and Brock, and the regulars are looking at Brock as an outsider. Were I to guess, Jericho just got into an overprotective brother mindset and when he asked Hayes about it so he could get his head straight the lack of answer was enough to piss him off. Couple that with alpha male Brock adrenaline still being high from the match and they got into a pissing contest. I can see this from both their viewpoints. But you know who I can't? Hayes. f*** him on this one. Michael Hayes is an assclown, is the consensus im glad we all agree
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 18:04:25 GMT -5
MAN THE KISS THING WASN'T A HOMOPHOBIC DIG AT ALL. SMH IF TWO PEOPLE ARE STARING AT EACH OTHER FACE TO FACE FOREHEAD TO FOREHEAD THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT TO KISS OR FIGHT. STRAIGHT FORWARD. Man i'm gay and i have used that line in a fight before. Jericho should have gone with the ghostbusters 2 ending. Jericho: "Hey man. Let me tell you something. I love you." Lesnar: "Yes?" Jericho: "Yeah" Lesnar: "Well I love you too!" BROGRAB
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 22, 2016 18:04:28 GMT -5
Um, this was entirely avoidable, that is the point. Agreed upon or not, 2016 or 1916, letting someone elbow you in the head to split you open and have you bleed copious amounts of blood for the entertainment of others is crazed. It is even more crazed when it is 2016 and there other ways to achieve the look of having been split open by a person striking you in the head over and over again without actually inflicting the damage. Again, how is that any worse than say Diaz/McGregor on Saturday? Obviously it's a sport, but it still falls under the umbrella of entertainment. It was two people fighting in a cage, knocking each other senseless and bloodied, for the sake of money and the entertainment of others. Compared to one pre-agreed upon elbow to the forehead to add impact and emotion to a worked wrestling match. Yet one is normal and the other is 'crazed'? UFC - Beat the shit out of and try to injure your opponent to win a match. WWE - Working with a partner to put on a athletic performance without injuring the other. Yes both are entertaining but in no way is what happens in UFC between two opponents comparable to what two people do in a WWE ring to entertain. WWE is more akin to synchronized swimming than mixed martial arts. There should be no attempt to legit injury someone in wrestling. Agreeing upon it does not change that what occurred was barbaric and crazed. Can that action entertain, obviously yes, but it does not change what it is.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Aug 22, 2016 18:05:48 GMT -5
Also, yeah, put me on the "planning to blade/bleed hardway is moronic" side. Absolutely idiotic thing to do in this day and age.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2016 18:05:57 GMT -5
Jericho may be a part-timer who on the side has his rock band, but instances like this, you can see how much passion and love he has for the business and for the guys in the back. I like Brock as well, but most of the time, he honestly really doesn't seem to care much for either. Yea it surprises as much as Lesnar dont like people he would snap at Jericho like that. I can understand the adrenaline rush but thats not a lot of respect for your brothers
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Post by FAR5222 on Aug 22, 2016 18:06:07 GMT -5
Jericho is still the homie though.
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Post by TheFadedSpade on Aug 22, 2016 18:06:32 GMT -5
BEEN A WHILE SINCE THERES BEEN A SCUFFLE LIKE THIS HOPEFULLY THE YOUNGER WRESTLERS TAKE NOTE TO GET INTO MORE ALTERCATIONS Yo you actually made me cry with all your comments in this thread 😂ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‚
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Post by Shai on Aug 22, 2016 18:06:35 GMT -5
Jericho may be a part-timer who on the side has his rock band, but instances like this, you can see how much passion and love he has for the business and for the guys in the back. I like Brock as well, but most of the time, he honestly really doesn't seem to care much for either. Yup. That's what I love about him. He may come and go but whenever he's around his entire focus is on WWE. Brock seems to just show up for a paycheck and not give a shit. So yeah I'm totally on Jericho's side in this case.
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Post by Perd on Aug 22, 2016 18:07:36 GMT -5
I'm digging the Michael Hayes bashing. That guy sucks.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Aug 22, 2016 18:08:04 GMT -5
Time to run back to the TNA thread and all its insane glory I'm hardcore. I'll take em both. Insane TNA and WWE clucking. Did I miss another chicken adventure?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 22, 2016 18:08:46 GMT -5
I am pretty amazing at MSPaint jobs TBF
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2016 18:09:39 GMT -5
Again, how is that any worse than say Diaz/McGregor on Saturday? Obviously it's a sport, but it still falls under the umbrella of entertainment. It was two people fighting in a cage, knocking each other senseless and bloodied, for the sake of money and the entertainment of others. Compared to one pre-agreed upon elbow to the forehead to add impact and emotion to a worked wrestling match. Yet one is normal and the other is 'crazed'? UFC - Beat the shit out of and try to injure your opponent to win a match. WWE - Working with a partner to put on a athletic performance without injuring the other. Yes both are entertaining but in no way is what happens in UFC between two opponents comparable to what two people do in a WWE ring to entertain. WWE is more akin to synchronized swimming than mixed martial arts. There should be no attempt to legit injury someone in wrestling. Agreeing upon it does not change that what occurred was barbaric and crazed. Can that action entertain, obviously yes, but it does not change what it is. Yes the whole point of wrestling is for you to have trust in your opponent that they will not take liberties hence keeping you safe from harm. Legit injuring someone is a major no no. If you want that anything goes type of entertainment then MMA is the way to go but you shouldn't see blood like that in WWE. For every crazy ladder or table spot they make sure they do everything correctly so no one gets seriously injured if everything goes to plan.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Aug 22, 2016 18:11:05 GMT -5
Brock may be a lover, but he ain't no dancer.
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Post by cuppacoffee - slight return on Aug 22, 2016 18:11:13 GMT -5
Because the shit's a work and you aren't gonna convince anybody in the world it's real even if you nearly bleed out. It's pointless and just nasty to look at. It's suspension of disbelief. It may not have been to your taste but it worked perfectly. It accomplished everything it could possibly accomplish, more than any fake wrestling move ever could. It made people believe, it made people feel, it got people talking, it was memorable. Far more than anything else on the show. As for "there's no point doing anything like that because no one believes wrestling is real", then what's the point of doing any dangerous moves at all then? Why aren't people disgusted by Rollins powerbombing Balor into a barricade? What positive affect did that really have? None. It wasn't even memorable. All it did was legitimately injure Finn Balor, who may now be out for six months because of a silly risk compared to Orton who will get some staples and probably be ready to work again in 48 hours. It's not suspension of disbelief. It requires no suspension of disbelief. It's a man actually being struck and bleeding. Rollins' powerbomb is a worked wrestling move, intended to look scary and dangerous but intended to be safe. If it had gone right, Balor would be OK. The man being hurt is an unintended consequence. That's working a wrestling match. It's a risky and tricky business, trying to make us increasingly cynical marks believe in a fight and actually keeping each other safe. That's suspension of disbelief. Lesnar elbowing Orton in the head is intended to look scary and dangerous and achieves this by being scary and dangerous. The man being hurt is the intended consequence. Just because the man apparently consented to be hurt, that doesn't make it cool. It's not a good work if you let a big man intentionally elbow a prone man in the head. I'm delighted to hear your professional medial opinions on when Orton will be ready to work again. I'm glad to see you're ignoring all the fuss and nonsense all the other medical professionals have been making about head injuries lately. It accomplished everything it could possibly accomplish, you say? Sure. It made some insecure little manboys (some backstage, some watching the show) feel a bit more butch and tough for watching a pro wrestling show after that mean, scary Conor McGregor said those nasty things about their show. It also alienated a bunch of parents of the young kids who make up a huge section of WWE's audience. You know, the audience they rely on to make all that money, with their PG, family-friendly sponsors and advertisers?
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Post by Crow Dust on Aug 22, 2016 18:11:30 GMT -5
"Kiss deeply with tongue"
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