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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 23, 2016 14:40:40 GMT -5
The above suspension thing I am guessing is just for Wellness but that was never clear. As for Wellness, WWE said that Brock is a part time worker for them and thus not subject to the Wellness Policy, that the Wellness Policy is to insure the health of their full time crew. Thinking back, it matches up with Sting's issues, Rock's being so jacked he got hurt barely moving, Lawler's heart and so on. Wow. If true, that seems pretty foolish on their part. If something bad happened, good luck winning in the court of public opinion with an argument of "They were just a part time employee. Not our problem" The thing is the "casual fan" dont care what Brock does outside of WWE. Now if this becomes a big stink than yea they will have more backlash but as of right now they are under the radar & their no big commotion. Now Locker Room backlash is different as im pretty sure guys feel a certain way about him already and that scuffle with Jericho did him or Vince no favors
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 23, 2016 14:40:53 GMT -5
If the media does catch wind of WWE's inaction, then I think they honestly made an even bigger mistake saying that Lesnar is exempt from the wellness program than they would have by saying they test only at events and that he has not come back dirty on their tests, so they will not be punishing him for another company's findings at another company's event. They can say "the program is only for the health and wellbeing of full time wrestlers on the road" until they're blue in the face, perception will still be that they're basically saying "we selectively let people we deem important enough take PEDs and don't ever bother to test them, Brock Lesnar is bulletproof but here's some suspensions to keep people from thinking we're full of shit".
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Aug 23, 2016 14:46:31 GMT -5
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 23, 2016 14:47:38 GMT -5
It's not WWE but it'll have to do for now...
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 23, 2016 14:54:21 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar suspended from the sport he probably wasn't going back to anytime soon, while still being paid by the company which he isn't going back to anytime soon. Why do we like him again? Oh right, he suplexes people really hard, repeatedly. I like his work, not him as a guy. There are people that still watch Chris Benoit matches fer chrissakes, people vary in their ability to separate art from artist.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Aug 23, 2016 14:59:51 GMT -5
The above suspension thing I am guessing is just for Wellness but that was never clear. As for Wellness, WWE said that Brock is a part time worker for them and thus not subject to the Wellness Policy, that the Wellness Policy is to insure the health of their full time crew. Thinking back, it matches up with Sting's issues, Rock's being so jacked he got hurt barely moving, Lawler's heart and so on. Wow. If true, that seems pretty foolish on their part. If something bad happened, good luck winning in the court of public opinion with an argument of "They were just a part time employee INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR . Not our problem" Fixed Edit: That's a load of shit that Brock is exempt from getting Wellnessed
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Post by Fundertaker on Aug 23, 2016 15:04:15 GMT -5
Even if the WWE decided to test Brock - it would probably wouldn't work under the current system. The WWE to my knowledge tests you when you are at events. They don't use an independent organization like USADA to test guys during their time off. So all Brock would need to do is make sure he is clean for the dozen days he comes in to work for the WWE. And even if he was suspended, the company has say over when that begins. They would just suspend him after his program is finished and it would be like nothing happened. Well, there's almost no time off in WWE to begin with, so that's a moot point
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 23, 2016 15:15:43 GMT -5
He was just taking it so he wouldn't lactate like Nathan Jones. You wouldn't want Brock lactating all over Randy, would you? Speak for yourself.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Aug 23, 2016 15:22:40 GMT -5
Even if the WWE decided to test Brock - it would probably wouldn't work under the current system. The WWE to my knowledge tests you when you are at events. They don't use an independent organization like USADA to test guys during their time off. So all Brock would need to do is make sure he is clean for the dozen days he comes in to work for the WWE. And even if he was suspended, the company has say over when that begins. They would just suspend him after his program is finished and it would be like nothing happened. WWE does use an outside organization, everything about the drug testing is done by Ageis Science. They are responsible for everything, WWE just punishes (well according to their written policy). They do tend to do most testing at tapings but that is because the majority of the roster is at those dates so it is easier but do test people at home, especially the ones that have a strike since they are subject to more tests.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Aug 23, 2016 15:56:26 GMT -5
He was just taking it so he wouldn't lactate like Nathan Jones. You wouldn't want Brock lactating all over Randy, would you? Speak for yourself. All over Randy's bag maybe
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Post by BRAINFADE on Aug 23, 2016 16:16:52 GMT -5
If the media does catch wind of WWE's inaction, then I think they honestly made an even bigger mistake saying that Lesnar is exempt from the wellness program than they would have by saying they test only at events and that he has not come back dirty on their tests, so they will not be punishing him for another company's findings at another company's event. They can say "the program is only for the health and wellbeing of full time wrestlers on the road" until they're blue in the face, perception will still be that they're basically saying "we selectively let people we deem important enough take PEDs and don't ever bother to test them, Brock Lesnar is bulletproof but here's some suspensions to keep people from thinking we're full of shit". This. A much more articulated version of what I was trying to get across.
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Post by alred1982 on Aug 23, 2016 16:33:48 GMT -5
If the media does catch wind of WWE's inaction, then I think they honestly made an even bigger mistake saying that Lesnar is exempt from the wellness program than they would have by saying they test only at events and that he has not come back dirty on their tests, so they will not be punishing him for another company's findings at another company's event. They can say "the program is only for the health and wellbeing of full time wrestlers on the road" until they're blue in the face, perception will still be that they're basically saying "we selectively let people we deem important enough take PEDs and don't ever bother to test them, Brock Lesnar is bulletproof but here's some suspensions to keep people from thinking we're full of shit". This. A much more articulated version of what I was trying to get across. If the media really cared they would of been all over it as far as they see it who cares it's only actors pretending imo.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 23, 2016 16:33:51 GMT -5
In the past month and change I've seen a comparison floating around of "If I show up drunk to one job and get fired for it, my other job can't also fire me for my behavior at that other job," and that's true, but not quite the situation happening here. This is more like showing up to one job drunk, getting punished for being drunk at work, then showing up to your other job also just totally shitfaced, and the manager saying "The f*** you want us to do about it? We don't care what he does".
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Post by eJm on Aug 23, 2016 16:58:05 GMT -5
The media isn't going to care about Brock not being suspended by WWE when UFC are doing it.
If they didn't care when half the Attitude Era and Rock n' Wrestling era were dying in their 40s from steroids and suicides and if they didn't spend more than a week on the Benoit tragedy, they aren't going to care about a dude who isn't being suspended from his acting job along from his fighting career.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 23, 2016 17:02:52 GMT -5
Unless Brock went full Benoit, the media will not care about a WWE suspension.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 23, 2016 17:15:56 GMT -5
In the past month and change I've seen a comparison floating around of "If I show up drunk to one job and get fired for it, my other job can't also fire me for my behavior at that other job," and that's true, but not quite the situation happening here. This is more like showing up to one job drunk, getting punished for being drunk at work, then showing up to your other job also just totally shitfaced, and the manager saying "The f*** you want us to do about it? We don't care what he does". That was my metaphor. And you make a good point. But then my other opinion was not caring who cheats in a fake sport. I don't watch the real sport.
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