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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 14, 2016 1:32:02 GMT -5
I have a hard time calling Punk courageous given the hefty paycheck he got.
Hey, remember Monica's boyfriend in Friends? The self-made millionaire who went into MMA and got his ass handed to him? Yeah, dunno why I thought of that either. Though funnily enough his first opponent was played by Tank Abbott.
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 14, 2016 1:56:10 GMT -5
Don't understand Your examples of "playing in traffic" and "playing Russian roulette". 99% of the time those two things aren't Goals that people have. Yeah, there's a small chance he could've died in the octagon, but fighting in the UFC doesn't compare to shooting yourself. The guy tried something he always wanted to do... And he did it. He didn't win, but he can say he did it. It's courageous or admirable because even though he was doing it for himself, everyone in the world got to watch him do it... That's pressure. It wasn't that it was a goal, it was just bringing up the idea that doing something that takes guts isn't necessarily courageous. But say someone's goal is to climb Mt. Everest for example. Yet say the person has never climbed a mountain higher than 10,000 feet in their life. I don't think it's admirable to go up there and put your life at risk just to do it (we won't mention putting a Sherpa's life at risk either), even if it's your life long dream. It would take courage though. I sure as hell wouldn't do it. I think it's a combo of Punk believing in his BITW hype and wanting to prove it on the most honest stage of them all. He disappointed himself more than anyone else, you could tell in post-match interviews. But just doing something because it's 'brave' probably never entered into the equation for him. He felt he was gonna win and hopefully doesn't have his spirits crushed if he still contains that fire to excel in the MMA industry.
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 14, 2016 4:31:18 GMT -5
I don't see what the point would be. Punk left the WWE two years ago, and the company has moved on into what many would argue is a more successful, entertaining period. Ha ha best joke I've heard in a while.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 14, 2016 5:41:05 GMT -5
Tall Poppy Syndrome in action in a single sentence, ladies and gents. I've been surrounded by this kind of attitude at times and it's utterly toxic. How dare Punk refuse to be satisfied with his lot in life, have ambition, and want to do better or chase a dream. How dare he accept an opportunity that anybody in his shoes would jump at if offered, he's a Quieter. I did find his attitude abrasive to say the least especially the last few months, but I was still pulling for him in UFC. Because I respect when someone tries to achieve a dream or life goal, no matter how out of their depth they might be. HMark's post needs to be stickied big time. The best possible summary of this whole 'debate'. I had to look up Tall Poppy Syndrome but I have no idea how it applies to my feelings I.e. Punk. I want him to be successful in the context of WWE but once he abandons WWE in a very selfish way that damaged the show then I want his next project to fail so that he is filled with regret for what he did to me as a fan. Your sentiment was that when someone wants to move on to do something better, because they feel held back in their current line of work, you want them to fail. You don't want them to succeed in moving on to better things you want them to be put in their place for daring to think they've outgrown the thing that "made" them, as though they owe their entire future to it. That's pretty much tall poppy syndrome. And f*** this "he left in a selfish way" nonsense. He worked seriously hurt and ill for months on end and kept getting fobbed off for any kind of treatment. He owed WWE nothing. WWE exploit their performers time & time again, and it's not even like Punk was DOING anything meaningful at the time he left he was treading water. The crux of it really comes down to that last sentence "for what he did to me as a fan". You feel he owes you his health and his time because you're his fan. He owes you nothing. He gave you entertainment for years, presumably you spent money on that entertainment. That's how the industry works as a business transaction. He does not owe it to you to remain in a job that he hates, and is ruining his health, because you want him to. He does not owe it to you, or WWE, to never leave and never dare to try to do something more or better. I LOATHE fan entitlement culture. He owes you nothing.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 14, 2016 6:24:19 GMT -5
Punk will be jumping into lion enclosures wearing meat drawers for the next item on his bucket list
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Post by Yacht Persona on Sept 14, 2016 10:27:51 GMT -5
I bet the fan that Punk beat up feels pretty bad about this. Does the fan now get his rematch against Punk?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 15:45:35 GMT -5
I bet the fan that Punk beat up feels pretty bad about this. Does the fan now get his rematch against Punk? Give the fan 2 years of training. Hopefully the fight last a round or two.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Sept 14, 2016 16:21:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't see what's admirable about this. To me, if he was dead serious about this, he would have fought for some smaller promotion with someone who's more at his speed. No, he instead uses his connections to get a spot on a UFC card and then gets his ass beat after literally rushing towards his opponent with no thought or element of strategy. This wasn't about fulfilling a dream, it was about placating his ego while padding out his bank account. I don't think ego and money have to be separate from ambitions. Yes he leveraged his celebrity status to get it but stepping into a UFC octagon was the goal and he did it. He was too old to have the time to work his way up to the UFC. If someone's goal is to play in the Superbowl and they run out, trip over and kick the ball in their own face then they still accomplished it. Obviously he can't fight for shit but you can't say he half assed it and wasn't serious (although now we'll see if he goes to smaller promotions and continues fighting). The admirable thing was quitting the "safety" of WWE, taking all the shit from them, all the shit from WWE fans (like people on here who were willing him to fail), the shit from actual UFC guys, the shit from UFC fans and the media and putting himself out there with a 99% chance he was going to get the shit beaten out of him for realz but still going through with it and getting in there.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Sept 14, 2016 16:31:12 GMT -5
Remember those typical FAN threads where people wonder which wrestler would be the biggest badass in a real life fight. Between the usual Brock and Haku answers, i know i already read a few fanboys' post talking about how Punk could be a real life badass because of his "jiu jitsu background". I wish i could find the name of those guys to make fun of them now
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Post by Prince Petty on Sept 14, 2016 16:32:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't see what's admirable about this. To me, if he was dead serious about this, he would have fought for some smaller promotion with someone who's more at his speed. No, he instead uses his connections to get a spot on a UFC card and then gets his ass beat after literally rushing towards his opponent with no thought or element of strategy. This wasn't about fulfilling a dream, it was about placating his ego while padding out his bank account. I don't think ego and money have to be separate from ambitions. Yes he leveraged his celebrity status to get it but stepping into a UFC octagon was the goal and he did it. He was too old to have the time to work his way up to the UFC. If someone's goal is to play in the Superbowl and they run out, trip over and kick the ball in their own face then they still accomplished it. Obviously he can't fight for shit but you can't say he half assed it and wasn't serious (although now we'll see if he goes to smaller promotions and continues fighting). The admirable thing was quitting the "safety" of WWE, taking all the shit from them, all the shit from WWE fans (like people on here who were willing him to fail), the shit from actual UFC guys, the shit from UFC fans and the media and putting himself out there with a 99% chance he was going to get the shit beaten out of him for realz but still going through with it and getting in there. I thought one of the reasons he quit the WWE was because it wasn't safe. The staph infection from hell, remember? Going to UFC was purely a monetary and ego thing.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Sept 14, 2016 16:37:04 GMT -5
I don't think ego and money have to be separate from ambitions. Yes he leveraged his celebrity status to get it but stepping into a UFC octagon was the goal and he did it. He was too old to have the time to work his way up to the UFC. If someone's goal is to play in the Superbowl and they run out, trip over and kick the ball in their own face then they still accomplished it. Obviously he can't fight for shit but you can't say he half assed it and wasn't serious (although now we'll see if he goes to smaller promotions and continues fighting). The admirable thing was quitting the "safety" of WWE, taking all the shit from them, all the shit from WWE fans (like people on here who were willing him to fail), the shit from actual UFC guys, the shit from UFC fans and the media and putting himself out there with a 99% chance he was going to get the shit beaten out of him for realz but still going through with it and getting in there. I thought one of the reasons he quit the WWE was because it wasn't safe. The staph infection from hell, remember? Going to UFC was purely a monetary and ego thing. Yeah I meant safe more in terms of the job security, as in I'm pretty sure he could still be working there now if he was willing to put up with it because now he's tried at failed at UFC then what is he gonna do?
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Post by corndog on Sept 14, 2016 23:11:44 GMT -5
I bet the fan that Punk beat up feels pretty bad about this. Does the fan now get his rematch against Punk? Give the fan 2 years of training. Hopefully the fight last a round or two. Well we know what match we will see in Bellator 2 years from now. Probably co-main evented by Ken Shamrock and the ghost of George Hackenschmidt.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Sept 15, 2016 1:20:23 GMT -5
I bet the fan that Punk beat up feels pretty bad about this. Does the fan now get his rematch against Punk? Give the fan 2 years of training. Hopefully the fight last a round or two. Punk would lose in 2:15 in the first round.
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Post by Fuji's racist salt on Dec 31, 2016 7:43:10 GMT -5
It took a while
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