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Post by Lance Uppercut on Sept 12, 2016 12:49:15 GMT -5
How was his Indie work that everyone was high on?
Smack down doesn't seem to know what to do with him. Raw didn't know. Even NXT couldn't quite get him as over as we thought he could have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 12:51:45 GMT -5
The Corbin match did at least get the crowd on his side as it went, particularly good since at the start of it they were backing Corbin.
That said, I think everything wrong with Crews and how they have no idea what to do with him was spelled out in that backstage segment of Bryan telling him he needed to smile more.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 12, 2016 12:56:12 GMT -5
His smiles don't break the space-time continuum yet.
He's getting there though. Just needs to lighten up and smile a little more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 13:00:22 GMT -5
People WEREN'T that high on his indy work.
There's this idea that everyone who gets signed from the indies is this big, huge star that we're all hyped to see. It isn't true. Rollins was criticized for being a pretty bad promo and being overpushed, Ambrose was criticized for not being that good in ring, and the knock against Crews was always that he was a "moves" guy without much character. He's a guy who if you asked people for his best matches, they'd really have to think about it. He was called up from developmental WAY too early.
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Post by BatPunk on Sept 12, 2016 13:01:11 GMT -5
A tag team with Akira Tozawa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 13:48:08 GMT -5
#straightfyre
I want to see this guy get pissed off and body some dudes.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 12, 2016 13:52:21 GMT -5
People WEREN'T that high on his indy work. There's this idea that everyone who gets signed from the indies is this big, huge star that we're all hyped to see. It isn't true. Rollins was criticized for being a pretty bad promo and being overpushed, Ambrose was criticized for not being that good in ring, and the knock against Crews was always that he was a "moves" guy without much character. He's a guy who if you asked people for his best matches, they'd really have to think about it. He was called up from developmental WAY too early. Ambrose did have hype, but said hype wasn't based on indy work as Moxley. It was based on his work in FCW with William Regal and the aborted "Thanks Mick" angle. WWE brought Apollo in and gave him hype when he initially came into NXT, but they never gave him a real push to match that hype. Hell, the reason he was called up was because they straight up skipped him and moved on to the next signing without giving him a real chance to run with the ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 13:53:32 GMT -5
He wasn't loose enough, but he's loose now, so it's pretty much a shut case.
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Post by canal on Sept 12, 2016 13:56:20 GMT -5
I'm not impressed enough with his athletic ability, he needs to really tune that part of his game up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 13:58:13 GMT -5
People WEREN'T that high on his indy work. There's this idea that everyone who gets signed from the indies is this big, huge star that we're all hyped to see. It isn't true. Rollins was criticized for being a pretty bad promo and being overpushed, Ambrose was criticized for not being that good in ring, and the knock against Crews was always that he was a "moves" guy without much character. He's a guy who if you asked people for his best matches, they'd really have to think about it. He was called up from developmental WAY too early. I give you that Rollins was one of the first least hyped major indy signings but Ambrose was hyped up like if he was the first overall pick. Mostly because they felt his mic skills and charisma would make him huge in the WWE back when they didn't really put much stock in ring ability like they do now. And they were right. Like Ambrose is probably not even in the top 20 or top 25 guys in the ring but his ability to connect with people makes people overrate his abilities. Which is a huge talent of its own. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 12, 2016 13:58:27 GMT -5
I'm not impressed enough with his athletic ability, he needs to really tune that part of his game up. How are you not impressed? There aren't many guys like him, even with WWE's increased focus on in-ring ability. Most guys who can work like him are much smaller. Most guys his size or bigger are only slightly above average at best in ring. There aren't many guys his size who can do a standing moonsault. |
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 12, 2016 14:04:22 GMT -5
People WEREN'T that high on his indy work. There's this idea that everyone who gets signed from the indies is this big, huge star that we're all hyped to see. It isn't true. Rollins was criticized for being a pretty bad promo and being overpushed, Ambrose was criticized for not being that good in ring, and the knock against Crews was always that he was a "moves" guy without much character. He's a guy who if you asked people for his best matches, they'd really have to think about it. He was called up from developmental WAY too early. Yeah, he's one of those Indy dudes that people post highlights of on Twitter etc, people get hyped up and then it turns out that beyond those highlights, they don't have much to offer (I.E The Zack Sabre effect) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:09:48 GMT -5
I'm not impressed enough with his athletic ability, he needs to really tune that part of his game up. How are you not impressed? There aren't many guys like him, even with WWE's increased focus on in-ring ability. Most guys who can work like him are much smaller. Most guys his size or bigger are only slightly above average at best in ring. There aren't many guys his size who can do a standing moonsault. I think that's the joke |
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Sept 12, 2016 14:14:10 GMT -5
Some semblance of humanity so that I don't feel like The Institute is coming to take me away whenever he's on screen.
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Post by freeze Austin on Sept 12, 2016 14:14:50 GMT -5
IDK, I think he just needs more time. He's starting to get good reactions from his in-ring. Keep building on his fun style and see how far he can take it. Not everyone is going to be a main event guy right out the gate, they need guys to build up the mid-card in a major way.
Personality-wise he doesn't have strong mic skills or a strong character, so with him I think it would be best just to make some simple tweaks. Have him drop the smiling, amp up the intensity, and be more like a bad ass "Monty Brown before TNA screwed him up" type. I like that better than doing a complete 180 with him like some seem to want.
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Post by canal on Sept 12, 2016 14:17:14 GMT -5
I'm not impressed enough with his athletic ability, he needs to really tune that part of his game up. How are you not impressed? There aren't many guys like him, even with WWE's increased focus on in-ring ability. Most guys who can work like him are much smaller. Most guys his size or bigger are only slightly above average at best in ring. There aren't many guys his size who can do a standing moonsault. His 40 time is about .2 seconds too slow and his hands are too big. I don't know I say cut him loose. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:21:47 GMT -5
People WEREN'T that high on his indy work. There's this idea that everyone who gets signed from the indies is this big, huge star that we're all hyped to see. It isn't true. Rollins was criticized for being a pretty bad promo and being overpushed, Ambrose was criticized for not being that good in ring, and the knock against Crews was always that he was a "moves" guy without much character. He's a guy who if you asked people for his best matches, they'd really have to think about it. He was called up from developmental WAY too early. I give you that Rollins was one of the first least hyped major indy signings but Ambrose was hyped up like if he was the first overall pick. Mostly because they felt his mic skills and charisma would make him huge in the WWE back when they didn't really put much stock in ring ability like they do now. And they were right. Like Ambrose is probably not even in the top 20 or top 25 guys in the ring but his ability to connect with people makes people overrate his abilities. Which is a huge talent of its own. I think he's incredible. Ambrose is one of my favorite wrestlers, one of the best character workers in the world. But the knock against him for his entire career has been that he isn't that good in the ring. That his actual MATCHES aren't that amazing. Which served the broader point I was trying to make that just because a guy is an indy name, it doesn't mean that he's automatically assumed by the wider fanbase as being amazing. Not every indy guy is an AJ or a Daniel Bryan. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:35:32 GMT -5
I give you that Rollins was one of the first least hyped major indy signings but Ambrose was hyped up like if he was the first overall pick. Mostly because they felt his mic skills and charisma would make him huge in the WWE back when they didn't really put much stock in ring ability like they do now. And they were right. Like Ambrose is probably not even in the top 20 or top 25 guys in the ring but his ability to connect with people makes people overrate his abilities. Which is a huge talent of its own. I think he's incredible. Ambrose is one of my favorite wrestlers, one of the best character workers in the world. But the knock against him for his entire career has been that he isn't that good in the ring. That his actual MATCHES aren't that amazing. Which served the broader point I was trying to make that just because a guy is an indy name, it doesn't mean that he's automatically assumed by the wider fanbase as being amazing. Not every indy guy is an AJ or a Daniel Bryan. Oh yeah I remember that was a knock against him but he was one of the most hyped up indie signings ever. Like he didn't have Connor McDavid/Sidney Crosby like hype like CM Punk or Daniel Bryan but had Patrick Kane/Auston Matthews hype |
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Post by Instant Classic on Sept 12, 2016 14:41:01 GMT -5
Him and Neville would make a good team, too bad they're on different brands.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:42:38 GMT -5
Him and Neville would make a good team, too bad they're on different brands. I don't think anyone could handle a tag team with that little charisma. |
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