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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 6, 2018 11:05:48 GMT -5
Reading Secret Wars (2015) for the first time after I got it on discount as part of comic book day. What did you guys think of that story? a great story that was kinda hampered by the blatant nostalgia-pandering of the name that ended up having very little to do with the actual story. John Hickman's run on Avengers is one of my favorites, probably second only to Kurt Busiek's.
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Post by eJm on May 6, 2018 11:22:54 GMT -5
Reading Secret Wars (2015) for the first time after I got it on discount as part of comic book day. What did you guys think of that story? I’m a sucker for multiverse stories so I loved it a lot. It also was an great “final” story for the Reed/Victor rivalry, making the whole thing boil down to something that suited both of them. My one quim was that Hickman kind of left it open for Marvel to do an actual, honest reboot of the comics and give things a real fresh start. Except what we got was a kinda reboot, where everything was the same but other stuff was thrown in for good measure even if it didn’t really make sense. Like, yeah, I understand you couldn’t just scrub out some of the writers doing good work on their titles but at the same time, it was the best opening they had possibly ever to do a New 52 and improving on the stuff people had problems with on DC’s end. They’re probably not going to get another opportunity to do that again.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 6, 2018 11:31:14 GMT -5
Reading Secret Wars (2015) for the first time after I got it on discount as part of comic book day. What did you guys think of that story? I’m a sucker for multiverse stories so I loved it a lot. It also was an great “final” story for the Reed/Victor rivalry, making the whole thing boil down to something that suited both of them. My one quim was that Hickman kind of left it open for Marvel to do an actual, honest reboot of the comics and give things a real fresh start. Except what we got was a kinda reboot, where everything was the same but other stuff was thrown in for good measure even if it didn’t really make sense. Like, yeah, I understand you couldn’t just scrub out some of the writers doing good work on their titles but at the same time, it was the best opening they had possibly ever to do a New 52 and improving on the stuff people had problems with on DC’s end. They’re probably not going to get another opportunity to do that again. I think to some degree that was the original plan but once they saw what a mess DC made with the New 52 they decided to play it safer. and honestly aside from a couple creative mis-steps (cough NaziCap cough) I think it was the right call. continuity reboots cause more confusion than just leaving things as they are. I
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 6, 2018 11:35:28 GMT -5
Reading Secret Wars (2015) for the first time after I got it on discount as part of comic book day. What did you guys think of that story? I like it. I'm only passingly familiar with Hickman's Marvel run, so not everything landed for me, as much as I don't read tie-in books for events, but there's enough stuff I can hang on to in order to follow the story. The art, however... I like Esad Ribic, when he's on, he's on, but maybe because the book was late as it came out in single issues, there are some really badly drawn faces throughout Secret Wars, O-face reaction shots, and even instances of blatant cutting-and-pasting. The one that sticks out in my mind is one specific image of Mister Sinister fighting Captain Britain that is used two more times in the book, albeit in different contexts. Or that Ribic reuses drawings from his Ultimate Fantastic Four run in Secret Wars. (I mean, Ribic swiping himself is nowhere near as bad as Greg Land's general output, but it is a bit disappointing.)
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Post by eJm on May 6, 2018 11:37:16 GMT -5
I’m a sucker for multiverse stories so I loved it a lot. It also was an great “final” story for the Reed/Victor rivalry, making the whole thing boil down to something that suited both of them. My one quim was that Hickman kind of left it open for Marvel to do an actual, honest reboot of the comics and give things a real fresh start. Except what we got was a kinda reboot, where everything was the same but other stuff was thrown in for good measure even if it didn’t really make sense. Like, yeah, I understand you couldn’t just scrub out some of the writers doing good work on their titles but at the same time, it was the best opening they had possibly ever to do a New 52 and improving on the stuff people had problems with on DC’s end. They’re probably not going to get another opportunity to do that again. I think to some degree that was the original plan but once they saw what a mess DC made with the New 52 they decided to play it safer. and honestly aside from a couple creative mis-steps (cough NaziCap cough) I think it was the right call. continuity reboots cause more confusion than just leaving things as they are. I I do get what you’re saying and to an extent I agree but considering their own strategy of just putting out new No 1s every so often and still expecting readers to follow with that stuff, it does feel like just doing a wide reboot and putting the motions in might have solved some of the problems they have now with integrating things into the universe every so often. But I do get that’s an astronomically hard job and easier said then done.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 13:52:00 GMT -5
Hickman's Avengers and FF runs are amongst some of my favourite stories ever and Secret Wars is the last chapter to that narrative, so yeah, I love it. My only complaint is that i wish Black Panther and Namor had more scenes together, but hey ho.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 7, 2018 12:44:35 GMT -5
Here is a podcast from the people who run Challengers Comics in Chicago. In this episode, they talk about the difficulties and frustrations of running a Free Comic Book Day event, which was prompted after someone shared with the owners a picture of a couple of Challengers Comics' FCBD books thrown in the garbage. challengers.libsyn.com/free-comics-for-the-trash-day-2018?tdest_id=613206
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 7, 2018 15:05:59 GMT -5
I’m a sucker for multiverse stories so I loved it a lot. It also was an great “final” story for the Reed/Victor rivalry, making the whole thing boil down to something that suited both of them. My one quim was that Hickman kind of left it open for Marvel to do an actual, honest reboot of the comics and give things a real fresh start. Except what we got was a kinda reboot, where everything was the same but other stuff was thrown in for good measure even if it didn’t really make sense. Like, yeah, I understand you couldn’t just scrub out some of the writers doing good work on their titles but at the same time, it was the best opening they had possibly ever to do a New 52 and improving on the stuff people had problems with on DC’s end. They’re probably not going to get another opportunity to do that again. I think to some degree that was the original plan but once they saw what a mess DC made with the New 52 they decided to play it safer. and honestly aside from a couple creative mis-steps (cough NaziCap cough) I think it was the right call. continuity reboots cause more confusion than just leaving things as they are. I they were also getting a lot of negative feedback from comic book fans about a full reboot. Marvel has never fully 100% rebooted they've retconned and they've slid the timeline forward but they've never done a flat out DC Level universal Crisis event that completely wiped everything and started fresh. (really the closest would have been the Ultimate Universe but that didn't take the 616-verse with it) Not to mention well... doing a thing like that kinda just causes MORE confusion than it actually solves. Especially when done as half assed as the New 52's this stuff happened and this stuff didn't... oh wait no that stuff didn't happen either ignore what we said... was.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 7, 2018 15:22:12 GMT -5
Marvel has never fully 100% rebooted They actually did do one once. In 1961. It wouldn't be long before they would start re-incorporating some of the elements of the pre-61 stuff back in, but at the point of FF#1 coming out, they completely wiped the table clean and started over. Even the pre-61 elements that started creeping back in afterward (Cap returning, Namor) were drastically changed from the original stories and over a decade's worth of their adventures were wiped out (and decades later be reintroduced as retcons for other characters).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 7, 2018 15:30:59 GMT -5
Marvel has never fully 100% rebooted They actually did do one once. In 1961. It wouldn't be long before they would start re-incorporating some of the elements of the pre-61 stuff back in, but at the point of FF#1 coming out, they completely wiped the table clean and started over. Even the pre-61 elements that started creeping back in afterward (Cap returning, Namor) were drastically changed from the original stories and over a decade's worth of their adventures were wiped out (and decades later be reintroduced as retcons for other characters). I stand corrected by the master I had a feeling "Never" was not entirely accurate... but still... <_<
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 7, 2018 16:58:11 GMT -5
Marvel has never fully 100% rebooted They actually did do one once. In 1961. It wouldn't be long before they would start re-incorporating some of the elements of the pre-61 stuff back in, but at the point of FF#1 coming out, they completely wiped the table clean and started over. Even the pre-61 elements that started creeping back in afterward (Cap returning, Namor) were drastically changed from the original stories and over a decade's worth of their adventures were wiped out (and decades later be reintroduced as retcons for other characters). Were they Marvel in 61? Or were they still Timely?
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 7, 2018 19:37:05 GMT -5
They actually did do one once. In 1961. It wouldn't be long before they would start re-incorporating some of the elements of the pre-61 stuff back in, but at the point of FF#1 coming out, they completely wiped the table clean and started over. Even the pre-61 elements that started creeping back in afterward (Cap returning, Namor) were drastically changed from the original stories and over a decade's worth of their adventures were wiped out (and decades later be reintroduced as retcons for other characters). Were they Marvel in 61? Or were they still Timely? They changed from Timely to Atlas in 1951. They changed Atlas to Marvel ten years later, starting with their books cover-dated June 1961; FF#1 wouldn't come out until November of that year, so they were already Marvel for almost half a year when the MU Proper started. Now granted, this was never intended to be a reboot, but ultimately, it's the best example of one. That sort of thinking didn't exist in comics at the time. But it was a reboot. All of the Captain America comics and any other superhero stuff they had been doing over the past decade (and a lot from the '40s as well) was swept aside and they pretended it never happened in this new MU.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 7, 2018 19:42:31 GMT -5
Man, Ryan Ottley was made to draw Spider-man. I may have to start picking up Amazing again.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 7, 2018 23:57:02 GMT -5
Were they Marvel in 61? Or were they still Timely? They changed from Timely to Atlas in 1951. They changed Atlas to Marvel ten years later, starting with their books cover-dated June 1961; FF#1 wouldn't come out until November of that year, so they were already Marvel for almost half a year when the MU Proper started. Now granted, this was never intended to be a reboot, but ultimately, it's the best example of one. That sort of thinking didn't exist in comics at the time. But it was a reboot. All of the Captain America comics and any other superhero stuff they had been doing over the past decade (and a lot from the '40s as well) was swept aside and they pretended it never happened in this new MU. I couldn't remember how long pre-FF#1 and the supposed Golf game that Marvel became "MARVEL". Speaking of Atlas,found a few issues of the mid 70s Atlas/Seaboard company. WOw some total dreck and some decent stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 12:23:22 GMT -5
BATWOMAN is ending in August with #18, thanks to a reader who noticed the solicit for the Batwoman Vol.3 collection on Amazon flat out confirms it. www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/09/dc-comics-to-cancel-batwoman-in-august/However maybe the bigger news from the Bat-verse this week comes in DETECTIVE #980. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Brother Eyes references - and shows - images of the pre-New 52 realities of Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown (who were Batgirl and Robin/Batgirl back then) www.newsarama.com/39846-classic-bat-continuity-brought-back-by-brother-eye-in-detective-comics-980-spoilers.htmlSidenote: the FLASH ongoing is also playing with Wally West's pre-New 52 memories as well, as he's remembering things like the current day Flash Museum (which is in the future in the New 52/Rebirth DCU) and Cyborg from his gold-skinned phase circa 1999 (and last issue we saw Impulse and even Wally's kids in a flash-forward/back/some direction).
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Post by Jiren on May 9, 2018 13:59:38 GMT -5
BATWOMAN is ending in August with #18, thanks to a reader who noticed the solicit for the Batwoman Vol.3 collection on Amazon flat out confirms it. www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/09/dc-comics-to-cancel-batwoman-in-august/However maybe the bigger news from the Bat-verse this week comes in DETECTIVE #980. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Brother Eyes references - and shows - images of the pre-New 52 realities of Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown (who were Batgirl and Robin/Batgirl back then) www.newsarama.com/39846-classic-bat-continuity-brought-back-by-brother-eye-in-detective-comics-980-spoilers.htmlSidenote: the FLASH ongoing is also playing with Wally West's pre-New 52 memories as well, as he's remembering things like the current day Flash Museum (which is in the future in the New 52/Rebirth DCU) and Cyborg from his gold-skinned phase circa 1999 (and last issue we saw Impulse and even Wally's kids in a flash-forward/back/some direction). Batwoman's cancellation is no big loss but honestly Batgirl has been WAY worse
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 14:05:08 GMT -5
Batwoman's cancellation is no big loss but honestly Batgirl has been WAY worse Well, BATGIRL & BIRDS OF PREY (by Julie & Shawna Benson) ended with #22, last week I believe, and it sounds like BATGIRL is getting a new writer in another month or two as #23 seems to be Hope Larson's last.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 9, 2018 16:38:56 GMT -5
BATWOMAN is ending in August with #18, thanks to a reader who noticed the solicit for the Batwoman Vol.3 collection on Amazon flat out confirms it. www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/09/dc-comics-to-cancel-batwoman-in-august/However maybe the bigger news from the Bat-verse this week comes in DETECTIVE #980. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Brother Eyes references - and shows - images of the pre-New 52 realities of Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown (who were Batgirl and Robin/Batgirl back then) www.newsarama.com/39846-classic-bat-continuity-brought-back-by-brother-eye-in-detective-comics-980-spoilers.htmlSidenote: the FLASH ongoing is also playing with Wally West's pre-New 52 memories as well, as he's remembering things like the current day Flash Museum (which is in the future in the New 52/Rebirth DCU) and Cyborg from his gold-skinned phase circa 1999 (and last issue we saw Impulse and even Wally's kids in a flash-forward/back/some direction). Batwoman's cancellation is no big loss but honestly Batgirl has been WAY worse God, I wanted to like both Batgirl series’ but the writing was sooooooo f***ing bad. It’s like they don’t understand that you can have a pro-female, pro-feminism book without beating you over the head with it all the time.
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Post by Jiren on May 9, 2018 16:46:16 GMT -5
Batwoman's cancellation is no big loss but honestly Batgirl has been WAY worse God, I wanted to like both Batgirl series’ but the writing was sooooooo f***ing bad. It’s like they don’t understand that you can have a pro-female, pro-feminism book without beating you over the head with it all the time. Just look at wonder woman and silencer Hell even Batwoman wasn't OTT with the "girl power", it was just that it was bland (she's good in Detective comics though)
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 9, 2018 20:46:30 GMT -5
God, I wanted to like both Batgirl series’ but the writing was sooooooo f***ing bad. It’s like they don’t understand that you can have a pro-female, pro-feminism book without beating you over the head with it all the time. Just look at wonder woman and silencer Hell even Batwoman wasn't OTT with the "girl power", it was just that it was bland (she's good in Detective comics though) Ya, I tried the Batwoman book because I think she’s excellent in Detective Comics and found the same thing. She’s just not that interesting (or wasn’t written interesting enough) as a solo
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