Dukect
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Post by Dukect on Sept 27, 2016 20:00:53 GMT -5
Well its been about what 3-4 weeks into the Kevin Owens title reign and it has not impressed as not only rating continue to fall(Yes I know Football is back and the debates were on this week). And, with him being another puppet for HHH and on top of that he hasn't been a interesting character in most people eyes. So you have to wonder has the KO project failed or does he need to go to Smackdown or just needs better booking on RAW.
You the people of the FAN board make the call
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Post by 4TheGlory on Sept 27, 2016 20:03:03 GMT -5
Absolutely not
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Sept 27, 2016 20:04:37 GMT -5
He isn't damaged, but he may be on his way to a "Undisputed Jericho/Seth Rollins" type run, where he is always the least important thing, despite being the most interesting.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Sept 27, 2016 20:13:02 GMT -5
I mean every one who's been champion on Raw has lost ratings for the last 5 years so idk if that's a good reason.
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Post by JCBaggee on Sept 27, 2016 20:20:26 GMT -5
"It's been 4 weeks and he hasn't been declared King of the Universe by PWI, nor has he pinned the Undertaker. Is Kevin Owens a failure?"
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 27, 2016 21:42:29 GMT -5
When is the last time a new champion actually lead to higher ratings? And I don't mean a one week spike.
Real question.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 21:43:59 GMT -5
"It's been 4 weeks and he hasn't been declared King of the Universe by PWI, nor has he pinned the Undertaker. Is Kevin Owens a failure?" "The answer may surprise you. Click to find out." |
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Post by canal on Sept 27, 2016 21:46:50 GMT -5
If you try to damage Kevin Owens' goods, you're going to get IT.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Sept 27, 2016 21:48:38 GMT -5
If you try to damage Kevin Owens' goods, you're going to get IT. Especially if you touch his baked goods. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 27, 2016 21:50:05 GMT -5
It hasn't even been a month, and it wouldn't matter who's on top anyway as they've worked hard to make WWE the draw now.
So no.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 27, 2016 21:57:06 GMT -5
Any serious problems with Owens could be fixed with a face turn.
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Post by Dukect on Sept 27, 2016 22:11:34 GMT -5
Any serious problems with Owens could be fixed with a face turn. I really doubt that as most people outside of the whole IWC don't really care about Owens character or lack there of. I mean what is KO to the casual fan a fat dude who yells alot has an annoying voice and can't win a big match by himself to save his life. Oh and he's just another person Papa Hunter picked and not really the main person on the show. He has no agency at all he's just like Rollins for the past 2 years a prop until someone beats Papa Hunter for good and not be booed by 45-50% of the fans. Tell me I'm wrong here |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 27, 2016 22:22:23 GMT -5
Any serious problems with Owens could be fixed with a face turn. I really doubt that as most people outside of the whole IWC don't really care about Owens character or lack there of. I mean what is KO to the casual fan a fat dude who yells alot has an annoying voice and can't win a big match by himself to save his life. Oh and he's just another person Papa Hunter picked and not really the main person on the show. He has no agency at all he's just like Rollins for the past 2 years a prop until someone beats Papa Hunter for good and not be booed by 45-50% of the fans. Tell me I'm wrong here You're wrong. The crowd loves him. |
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Post by Dukect on Sept 27, 2016 23:05:32 GMT -5
I really doubt that as most people outside of the whole IWC don't really care about Owens character or lack there of. I mean what is KO to the casual fan a fat dude who yells alot has an annoying voice and can't win a big match by himself to save his life. Oh and he's just another person Papa Hunter picked and not really the main person on the show. He has no agency at all he's just like Rollins for the past 2 years a prop until someone beats Papa Hunter for good and not be booed by 45-50% of the fans. Tell me I'm wrong here You're wrong. The crowd loves him. The Smarks in the Crowd loves him you gotta think outside the Wrestling bubble and look at KO objectively can he get the people in the mainstream watching or atleast talking about the WWE as an whole does he do that in fact would Finn Balor would've done that. I doubt it as none of the Shield guys did at all WWE's Recent Viewership Numbers Suggest The Shield Is A Ratings Disaster |
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Sept 27, 2016 23:38:56 GMT -5
When is the last time a new champion actually lead to higher ratings? And I don't mean a one week spike. Real question. 2013 was the last year when the ratings beat those of the previous year. www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2013-ratings/www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/Notice it's only a 0.1 increase, but 2012 did have that RAW 1000 episode that did over 6 million viewers and both years had a Wrestlemania season that featured The Rock. Pretty impressive given how steady they've dropped since then. The big championship programs in 2013 were Cena redeeming himself and Daniel Bryan chasing Orton and the Authority. Orton was the champion for most of the year, but it's hard to give him credit since it was Cena and Bryan pulling in ungodly overrun numbers. The August 26, 2013 RAW was the last time, excepting Pre and Post-Mania shows, that the show had any segment hit a 3.7. It was that Bryan vs. Shield gauntlet that gained 1,092,000 viewers for the overrun (http://www.dailywrestlingnews.com/826-raw-breakdown-ajs-pipebomb-bombs-bryan-the-gauntlet-more/). This is a long-winded way of saying that Cena/Rock and Bryan's championship chase were the last two things that helped the show for more than a week. The last time one year beat the previous by a good margin was 2009 beating 2008 www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2009-ratings/www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2008-ratings/I wasn't watching at the time so I have no idea about numbers or causes. Did they switch networks or something? |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 28, 2016 1:39:33 GMT -5
You know, I am slowly realising that WWE's seeming obsession with grabbing the "casual market" and not accepting they are, in fact, a niche form of entertainment except during WrestleMania time is something that is drastically holding it back.
Along with, you know, making everyone on their roster except a few hardly matter at all because they don't want people to get popular and leave or whatever ridiculous nonsense they come up with.
These people aren't coming to watch it on TV. Heck, the only place they ARE coming to watch it are YouTube since the videos there regularly do more views then the combined audience of Raw and Smackdown.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 28, 2016 2:30:17 GMT -5
and on top of that he hasn't been a interesting character in most people eyes. Absolutely not true. Can this thread be about B2K instead? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 2:32:52 GMT -5
I really doubt that as most people outside of the whole IWC don't really care about Owens character or lack there of. I mean what is KO to the casual fan a fat dude who yells alot has an annoying voice and can't win a big match by himself to save his life. Oh and he's just another person Papa Hunter picked and not really the main person on the show. He has no agency at all he's just like Rollins for the past 2 years a prop until someone beats Papa Hunter for good and not be booed by 45-50% of the fans. Tell me I'm wrong here You're wrong. The crowd loves him. Yeah dude has been constant babyface loud babyface pops and that was before he feuded with Roman Reigns or won The Universal Championship. Hell they are still struggling suppressing some of his babyface pops. Raw ratings are going down because the shows quality has taken a dip, Smackdown Live ratings are going up, and Raw isn't the one show that matters anymore. In fact |
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 28, 2016 2:38:42 GMT -5
You know, I am slowly realising that WWE's seeming obsession with grabbing the "casual market" and not accepting they are, in fact, a niche form of entertainment except during WrestleMania time is something that is drastically holding it back. Along with, you know, making everyone on their roster except a few hardly matter at all because they don't want people to get popular and leave or whatever ridiculous nonsense they come up with. These people aren't coming to watch it on TV. Heck, the only place they ARE coming to watch it are YouTube since the videos there regularly do more views then the combined audience of Raw and Smackdown. But on the contrary, that argument also has the flipside that most of us are firmly IN the "wrestling bubble". We just have too close a relationship to pro wrestling to realize that the alternative to try and grab the "casual market" is the "accept that you're a niche form of entertainment except during Wrestlemania time- and from there, preach to the choir and build to what the people who already love this niche form of entertainment want' can be just as bad for the WWE...but we're too close to pro wrestling to SEE how bad it is, and think it's better not because it's better than going for the casual market, but because if they preach to the choir they'd do what WE want. The only stats that help that one- the "as the ratings plummet, you slowly get to a "only 1-2 million people watch the WWE live every week...BUT every single one of those people subscribes to the WWE Network" endgame there"...but that'd still make the ratings crater more as more of the niche fans just go with the Network and cut the cord (or, as the age of fans gets older, die off)...and then you realize where the "casual fans" are necessary since KIDS start out as casual fans, then become more addicted as they grow up. The casual market has to matter not to get non-fans who are adults, but rather children as fans- because that 6 year old boy in a John Cena shirt or 6 year old girl in a Bayley headband is going to be the 20 year old hardcore fan soon enough. |
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Post by Cela on Sept 28, 2016 2:43:22 GMT -5
Maybe the casuals want someone who looks like an action hero as champ, rather than a dude in a Judd Apatow comedy. Maybe if he had a gimmick beyond "Guy who wrestles." Maybe if he had a finisher that didn't look like it was entirely dependent on his opponent doing all the work.
Or it could be the Authority again. Probably the Authority. Yeah, it's the Authority. People see yet another year of the Trips and Stephanie variety hour, with no end in sight.
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