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Post by Rocky Raccoon on Oct 28, 2016 19:10:08 GMT -5
Well WWE tried so hard to create an Urban legend about Barrett being a bare knuckle fighter, but that is pretty well known to be total fabrication. It is? He's talked about it many times in non-kayfabe interviews.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 28, 2016 22:59:26 GMT -5
Aren't there stories about Asuka legit loosening a few teeth outside the ring in Japan?
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 28, 2016 23:15:20 GMT -5
Well WWE tried so hard to create an Urban legend about Barrett being a bare knuckle fighter, but that is pretty well known to be total fabrication. Alberto did MMA legit, not a great win record, but he did it, so props for that. I thought Barrett actually did do it, WWE just embellished it.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 29, 2016 3:31:12 GMT -5
Well WWE tried so hard to create an Urban legend about Barrett being a bare knuckle fighter, but that is pretty well known to be total fabrication. Alberto did MMA legit, not a great win record, but he did it, so props for that. I thought Barrett actually did do it, WWE just embellished it. He's from Preston, probably had a few rough nights outside pubs at the very least.
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Post by yash on Oct 29, 2016 4:42:12 GMT -5
Im surprised baron corbin has not been mentioned in this thread even once that guy has got a history getting in fights all the time and his nfl coach would say "you have more chance of winning a lottery then winning against him so don't bother"
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 29, 2016 4:56:54 GMT -5
Jericho's backstage fight success is always really amusing, simply because he basically grabs a front headlock every time and, pushing and shoving aside, that's pretty much it.
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Post by vincecornette on Oct 29, 2016 6:40:06 GMT -5
Well WWE tried so hard to create an Urban legend about Barrett being a bare knuckle fighter, but that is pretty well known to be total fabrication. It is? He's talked about it many times in non-kayfabe interviews. whatculture.com/wwe/17-things-you-didnt-know-about-wade-barrett?page=17 What you have to remember is WWE like to take things with a hint of realism and blow them up to God like levels. Like they did with Ken Shamrock, who has a really bad MMA record (only won 4 fights since the year 2000, and those were against poor fighters) so far, far from 'The Worlds Most Dangerous Man'. So they may be tough for regular people, but against other fighters, nothing special.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 8:46:21 GMT -5
Im surprised baron corbin has not been mentioned in this thread even once that guy has got a history getting in fights all the time and his nfl coach would say "you have more chance of winning a lottery then winning against him so don't bother" Wouldn't shock me, he's only been on preseason and practice rosters. I'm surprised with Baron they haven't tried the old Jim Neidhart approach: "He's wrestling because the NFL isn't rough enough!"
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 29, 2016 9:35:49 GMT -5
It is? He's talked about it many times in non-kayfabe interviews. whatculture.com/wwe/17-things-you-didnt-know-about-wade-barrett?page=17 What you have to remember is WWE like to take things with a hint of realism and blow them up to God like levels. Like they did with Ken Shamrock, who has a really bad MMA record (only won 4 fights since the year 2000, and those were against poor fighters) so far, far from 'The Worlds Most Dangerous Man'. So they may be tough for regular people, but against other fighters, nothing special.
To be fair to Shamrock wasn't he meant to be really good before coming to WWE? Not a huge MMA follower but isn't he like considered a legend of the sport? Now he's completely shot so it's a little hard to judge him on his current fights.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 29, 2016 9:39:32 GMT -5
Would Daniel Bryan taking down the burglars count?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 29, 2016 9:59:24 GMT -5
whatculture.com/wwe/17-things-you-didnt-know-about-wade-barrett?page=17 What you have to remember is WWE like to take things with a hint of realism and blow them up to God like levels. Like they did with Ken Shamrock, who has a really bad MMA record (only won 4 fights since the year 2000, and those were against poor fighters) so far, far from 'The Worlds Most Dangerous Man'. So they may be tough for regular people, but against other fighters, nothing special.
To be fair to Shamrock wasn't he meant to be really good before coming to WWE? Not a huge MMA follower but isn't he like considered a legend of the sport? Now he's completely shot so it's a little hard to judge him on his current fights. Yeah, I wouldn't call it exactly fair to make that comparison with Shamrock considering it's using his record after he left when he was older and more broken down.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Oct 29, 2016 12:28:16 GMT -5
Would Daniel Bryan taking down the burglars count? He used to train with Loyoto Machida and Randy Couture, which I'd say is even bigger.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Oct 29, 2016 16:22:34 GMT -5
Im surprised baron corbin has not been mentioned in this thread even once that guy has got a history getting in fights all the time and his nfl coach would say "you have more chance of winning a lottery then winning against him so don't bother" He also has a legitimate background being a multiple time Golden Gloves champion and jiu-jitsu tournament winner. He also trained at the Lion's Den in Scottsdale, Arizona while he played for the Cardinals.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Oct 29, 2016 17:53:14 GMT -5
Isn't Heath Slater also a Golden Gloves winner?
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 29, 2016 19:44:45 GMT -5
It is? He's talked about it many times in non-kayfabe interviews. whatculture.com/wwe/17-things-you-didnt-know-about-wade-barrett?page=17 What you have to remember is WWE like to take things with a hint of realism and blow them up to God like levels. Like they did with Ken Shamrock, who has a really bad MMA record (only won 4 fights since the year 2000, and those were against poor fighters) so far, far from 'The Worlds Most Dangerous Man'. So they may be tough for regular people, but against other fighters, nothing special.
You do realise that pre-2000, Shamrock was actually extremely good? He was a beast in Pancrase, beating people like Dan Severn and Bas Rutten, and he was rather good in UFC too, only being bested by Royce Gracie. And everybody lost to that f***er., dude was 20 fights in by 2000. He was way past his prime. And he was dubbed "The World's Most Dangerous Man" by a news channel or something, so it's not like he picked it himself. I know he's basically a can now, but dude was a beast once upon a time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 20:02:21 GMT -5
yeah I really wanna defend Shamrock here regarding his record, you gotta remember he's just a carny at this point (losing fights under bizarre circumstances). his prime was definitely 1994-1996, and even then he was pretty much just submissions.
It wasn't until the Otsuka/Fujita fights in 2000 he really showed any striking and he was washed up at that point.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Oct 29, 2016 23:24:55 GMT -5
Wrestlers used to go to shady bars, get wasted, live off a diet that consisted of pastrami and scotch, sleep 2 hours a night and get into fights with anybody from local toughs to police officers.
Wrestlers today play video games, eat FroYo and sign autographs at comicon. Obviously the earlier stories are going to be better.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 30, 2016 4:51:07 GMT -5
yeah I really wanna defend Shamrock here regarding his record, you gotta remember he's just a carny at this point (losing fights under bizarre circumstances). his prime was definitely 1994-1996, and even then he was pretty much just submissions. It wasn't until the Otsuka/ Fujita fights in 2000 he really showed any striking and he was washed up at that point. Ah yes, the fight where he had to throw in the towel because he was having heart palpitations due to the exertion of beating on Fujita's head so much and thought he was going to die.
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Post by vincecornette on Oct 30, 2016 5:40:51 GMT -5
Shamrock was no doubt tough. He did fairly well in UFC before MMA evolved into its own style. Looking at his entire record only names I recognise he beat was Baz Rutten and Dan Severn (who he beat 3 days after Dan came back from an NWA tour and got destroyed in the rematch). Only other name was Kimo Loepold who was another of those guys frim when UFC was just full of mismatches with no actual style.
He is a pioneer of the sport no doubt about that, but his record is far far from decent. But then he did ok as a pro wrestler who went to MMA, better than CM Punk and Batista at least.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Oct 30, 2016 6:02:44 GMT -5
Triple H working through that torn quad in 2002. The pain must have been absolutely crazy (it kept him out for nearly a year afterwards) but he still took a Walls Of Jericho on the announce table and went through with the planned finish. That takes toughness.
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