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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 9, 2017 14:09:10 GMT -5
In most aspects of my life I'm not a big traditionalist, but I do hate so much of this attempt to reinvent the wheel with baseball.
It's just...not necessary. Said it above, but again, the rules that could speed up the game are already on the books, you just have to have the umps actually enforce them. Sure, extra pitching changes in today's era will drag things out to a degree, but the big problems come with the amount of time pitchers and hitters spend stepping out and just dicking around for awhile before getting ready for the next pitch. Train the players to eliminate that by enforcing those rules strictly in the minors, and watch the game speed up without having to try ridiculous gimmicks.
Like, I understand some gimmicks in places like the NHL; I'd prefer OT in the NHL to be 5-on-5 and just play 'til somebody wins, but these are human beings in an intense and physically demanding sport, so that's not realistic until you get to the playoffs. Baseball is demanding, but not in the same "I could get crushed against a wall at a moment's notice" way that hockey is. The game used to move quickly as recently as the 90s. The game STILL moves quickly at many minor league levels. You don't need to introduce a bunch of changes all because you're just that unwilling to ever cut into any commercial time in between innings.
And yeah, again, if they were serious about this they wouldn't be talking about shrinking the strike zone, not allowing defensive shifts, or even still have the DH; all of those things make the game longer. But they apparently want to simultaneously ramp up offense while also speeding up the game, WHICH IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Feb 9, 2017 14:11:48 GMT -5
Thats right, it was Rays and A's have to figure out their crap stadiums before any expansion.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 9, 2017 16:51:47 GMT -5
Sure, extra pitching changes in today's era will drag things out to a degree. Those Nats/Dodgers playoff games last year were absurdly long because of this.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 9, 2017 18:16:20 GMT -5
Okay.....no on this person on second base on extra innings
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Post by Perd on Feb 9, 2017 18:45:59 GMT -5
It's a solution in search of a problem. How many extra inning games go past 10-11 innings, anyway?
It's already been said in this thread. The rules, that would speed up the game, are already there. Enforce them. What baseball is thinking about, is like using your head to drive a nail, when there's a hammer sitting right there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 19:40:34 GMT -5
If they do the runner on 2nd thing, they shouldn't have it start in the 10th. Start it in the 13th instead. That's practically the point where people just want the game to end already.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 20:30:30 GMT -5
In Japan, extra inning games either go: -up to 3 innings, or, -until they reach 3 hours & 30 minutes of official game time. Then they just declare a tie.
I'd be fine with that.
But their post-season is goofy. The division pennant winner starts the playoffs up 1-0 against a wild card team. (Gives the champion a perk.) Extras only go 1 inning. If it's still tied, the home team gets a technical win.
That's still better than mimicking what our youth leagues are already doing with the runner on 2nd after regulation.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 9, 2017 21:18:05 GMT -5
In Japan, extra inning games either go: -up to 3 innings, or, -until they reach 3 hours & 30 minutes of official game time.Then they just declare a tie. I'd be fine with that. But their post-season is goofy. The division pennant winner starts the playoffs up 1-0 against a wild card team. (Gives the champion a perk.) Extras only go 1 inning. If it's still tied, the home team gets a technical win. That's still better than mimicking what our youth leagues are already doing with the runner on 2nd after regulation. No Yankees/Sox game would go past 10 innings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 21:47:20 GMT -5
In Japan, extra inning games either go: -up to 3 innings, or, -until they reach 3 hours & 30 minutes of official game time.Then they just declare a tie. I'd be fine with that. But their post-season is goofy. The division pennant winner starts the playoffs up 1-0 against a wild card team. (Gives the champion a perk.) Extras only go 1 inning. If it's still tied, the home team gets a technical win. That's still better than mimicking what our youth leagues are already doing with the runner on 2nd after regulation. No Yankees/Sox game would go past 10 innings. Unless Joe West is umpiring. Then it might only go 6. Glory hog, find a parade so he can jump in front of it, guy thinks the sun only shines on him and the fans pay to see him not do his job.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 10, 2017 0:52:22 GMT -5
No Yankees/Sox game would go past 10 innings. Unless Joe West is umpiring. Then it might only go 6. Glory hog, find a parade so he can jump in front of it, guy thinks the sun only shines on him and the fans pay to see him not do his job. Joe West is the Babe Ruth of shitty umps.
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Post by Renslayer on Feb 10, 2017 9:51:07 GMT -5
Looks like we may finally be rid of Jeffrey Loria. That man is the absolute WORST.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 10, 2017 10:15:22 GMT -5
I'm thinking of starting up a keeper league(like 12 teams, 8 keepers.) Anyone interested? If I don't do fantasy, I do a really shit job of keeping up with the rest of the league outside of St. Louis. I'd absolutely be down.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 10, 2017 12:40:02 GMT -5
Looks like we may finally be rid of Jeffrey Loria. That man is the absolute WORST. Don't suppose you heard who was rumored to be the potential buyer? MLB was quick to rush out and deny it, but we'll see.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 10, 2017 17:19:11 GMT -5
Looks like we may finally be rid of Jeffrey Loria. That man is the absolute WORST. He sold the freaking Marlins for $1.6 billion, man the group that bought the Dodgers for $2.15 billion got a massive steal.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 10, 2017 19:18:43 GMT -5
Mike Ilitch, owner of the Detroit Tigers and Detroit Red Wings has passed away. He was 87.
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 11, 2017 1:04:02 GMT -5
Andy McCullough of the Los Angeles Times reports that the Dodgers have agreed to a one-year deal with Chase Utley.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 8:35:06 GMT -5
I check the MLB app and see a Red Sox story about Chris Sale checking in to camp early. It may be cold outside, but my heart warms that spring training is starting.
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Post by Waffel113 on Feb 11, 2017 13:52:05 GMT -5
Pitchers and catchers report tomorrow, which means the arduous journey from offseason to preseason is almost complete. Praise the lord for that.
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 11, 2017 15:02:28 GMT -5
In most aspects of my life I'm not a big traditionalist, but I do hate so much of this attempt to reinvent the wheel with baseball. It's just...not necessary. Said it above, but again, the rules that could speed up the game are already on the books, you just have to have the umps actually enforce them. Sure, extra pitching changes in today's era will drag things out to a degree, but the big problems come with the amount of time pitchers and hitters spend stepping out and just dicking around for awhile before getting ready for the next pitch. Train the players to eliminate that by enforcing those rules strictly in the minors, and watch the game speed up without having to try ridiculous gimmicks. Like, I understand some gimmicks in places like the NHL; I'd prefer OT in the NHL to be 5-on-5 and just play 'til somebody wins, but these are human beings in an intense and physically demanding sport, so that's not realistic until you get to the playoffs. Baseball is demanding, but not in the same "I could get crushed against a wall at a moment's notice" way that hockey is. The game used to move quickly as recently as the 90s. The game STILL moves quickly at many minor league levels. You don't need to introduce a bunch of changes all because you're just that unwilling to ever cut into any commercial time in between innings. And yeah, again, if they were serious about this they wouldn't be talking about shrinking the strike zone, not allowing defensive shifts, or even still have the DH; all of those things make the game longer. But they apparently want to simultaneously ramp up offense while also speeding up the game, WHICH IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE. It's not totally impossible to ramp up offense while speeding up the game. All of the pace of game rules they experimented with, if they did it well, could speed up the game while giving a premium to offense (putting up balls, making intentional walks no-pitch, etc.) while also speeding up for defense (the batter could get a strike with the ball rule for a pitch clock, the no-pitch rule sheds four pitches from a pitcher's count and lets them last longer in the game, leading to an effective pitcher later in the game and more outs, etc.) If they had to use the runner on sevond thing, that just seems closer to the OT level and can be too much. (Though, if I was doing it, then I'd just use a cascading runner rule for it: Inning 10- runner on 1st. Inning 11- runner on 2nd. Inning 12- runner on 3rd. Inning 13-on, no runners on, but now it's sudden death. Next run wins it. If that means the away team can get a walkoff in the top of the 13th inning and the home team doesn't get a chance to counter...well, then the home team should have finished them off in 12 or less, shouldn't they?)
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 11, 2017 23:44:51 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports reports the Braves are close to acquiring Brandon Phillips.
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