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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 29, 2017 14:05:08 GMT -5
I took the message board rant to be criticizing people who spend hours upon hours bitching about something they claim to hate. Maybe I took it that way because I do question the mentality and the overall life-satisfaction of those types of people. Except they ranted about it in the context of dismissing a legitimate criticism of something they had done that was, using your own word, in poor taste. The Kimona thing was maybe in poor taste but it wasn't a racist bit and it wasn't making fun of a relationship. It was questioning how in the hell an old guy who looks like Jimmy Hart could pull a young chick who looks like Kimona. The turning Japanese thing, while again in poor taste, was perhaps referencing how a dude who is dating out of his league will often switch who he is to keep the female, perhaps out of an awareness that he's never coming out winning like that again. Again, was out a tasteless joke? Yeah. Is it proof positive that Conrad is a flaming bigot? Not even close. Looking back at the WHW thread, I see you made this same argument and it's as much of a reach now as it was the first time you made it. Nobody's calling Conrad a racist bigot, but there's ways to express one's astonishment at someone seemingly dating above their level without affecting a ching-chong accent and the oriental riff. He calls Bruce out every time one of WWE's blackface skits comes up and says it's aged poorly, yet does something as equally tasteless in 2017 and is confused as to why it attracts criticism. Does he simply lack self-awareness? I think that with STWW, Bruce and Conrad treat it like a job whereas WHW is just Conrad and Tony having fun. I also think Tony brings out the worst in Conrad.
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Post by timmyholton on Dec 29, 2017 14:10:23 GMT -5
i tried to do the 1987 Survivor Series follow along, that was painful
Love the XFL one though
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 29, 2017 14:31:19 GMT -5
i tried to do the 1987 Survivor Series follow along, that was painful Love the XFL one though That XFL episode is in the top ten for sure. I love that when a reporter asked Vince who his favorite football players were, he answered Ernie Ladd and Wahoo Mcdaniels. The guy had no business opening a football league.
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Post by Jokaine on Dec 29, 2017 14:55:00 GMT -5
I took the message board rant to be criticizing people who spend hours upon hours bitching about something they claim to hate. Maybe I took it that way because I do question the mentality and the overall life-satisfaction of those types of people. The Kimona thing was maybe in poor taste but it wasn't a racist bit and it wasn't making fun of a relationship. It was questioning how in the hell an old guy who looks like Jimmy Hart could pull a young chick who looks like Kimona. The turning Japanese thing, while again in poor taste, was perhaps referencing how a dude who is dating out of his league will often switch who he is to keep the female, perhaps out of an awareness that he's never coming out winning like that again. Again, was out a tasteless joke? Yeah. Is it proof positive that Conrad is a flaming bigot? Not even close. They played the oriental riff sound bit when they started talking about Kimona before making fun of Jimmy Hart, how's that ok? STWW and WHW are two different products, alongside Bruce, Conrad is a professional that gets upset when a gimmick was racist or homophobic, now with Tony, Conrad gets drunk and starts doing gay and offensive jokes alongside Schiavone. If you don't know what I'm talking about other than the Kimona joke pay attention to how they used to make fun of Tommy Young and Jim Barnett for being homosexuals. The entire thing was making fun of Jimmy. It was a, "How the hell did this happen?" type of thing. The Tommy Young thing is a retelling of a joke. Nasty joke, but it doesn't seem to be a mocking of his sexual orientation. I'm kind of hit or miss on Barnett material. Allow me to make a couple assumptions: You, like me, are a liberal progressive. Based on various posts you have made regarding backstage stuff, you like to engage in behind-the-scenes gossip and take a lot of it at face value. That being said, do you believe Tommy Rich was made to get the head out in order to get a world title? If so, that means you think Barnett is a sexual predator and is guilty of sexual misconduct. If that's the case, doesn't he need to be bashed and outed as such?
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Post by Jokaine on Dec 29, 2017 15:11:26 GMT -5
Looking back at the WHW thread, I see you made this same argument and it's as much of a reach now as it was the first time you made it. Nobody's calling Conrad a racist bigot, but there's ways to express one's astonishment at someone seemingly dating above their level without affecting a ching-chong accent and the oriental riff. He calls Bruce out every time one of WWE's blackface skits comes up and says it's aged poorly, yet does something as equally tasteless in 2017 and is confused as to why it attracts criticism. Does he simply lack self-awareness? I should explain a couple things so that you'll understand my philosophy on racial matters. When you sad nobody is accusing Conrad of being a racist bigot, I disagree. I don't believe you can accuse someone of racism without accusing that person of being a racist. I don't believe comments are racist. I believe the people who make those comments, however, are racist. As for your last question, "Does he simply lack self-awareness?" I would say that is absolutely possible. Sadly, a lot of white people do. Ask yourself, how many white people on this board alone have felt comfortable calling someone out for acts of racism yet are perfectly ok with chiming in with lame ass Shelton jokes or Nazi jokes when ever the opportunity presents itself? Hell, there are probably a few who have reinvented themselves in the past decade yet used to call John Cena the w-word. Finally, I would like to say that your saying that his joke is is equal to Black face is to not fully understand the history of Black face, or maybe even the treatment of Blacks in America. You can be offended all you like, but please don't compare the two.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 29, 2017 15:21:39 GMT -5
They played the oriental riff sound bit when they started talking about Kimona before making fun of Jimmy Hart, how's that ok? STWW and WHW are two different products, alongside Bruce, Conrad is a professional that gets upset when a gimmick was racist or homophobic, now with Tony, Conrad gets drunk and starts doing gay and offensive jokes alongside Schiavone. If you don't know what I'm talking about other than the Kimona joke pay attention to how they used to make fun of Tommy Young and Jim Barnett for being homosexuals. The entire thing was making fun of Jimmy. It was a, "How the hell did this happen?" type of thing. The Tommy Young thing is a retelling of a joke. Nasty joke, but it doesn't seem to be a mocking of his sexual orientation. I'm kind of hit or miss on Barnett material. Allow me to make a couple assumptions: You, like me, are a liberal progressive. Based on various posts you have made regarding backstage stuff, you like to engage in behind-the-scenes gossip and take a lot of it at face value. That being said, do you believe Tommy Rich was made to get the head out in order to get a world title? If so, that means you think Barnett is a sexual predator and is guilty of sexual misconduct. If that's the case, doesn't he need to be bashed and outed as such? Wait what in the actual f***? What does gossiping about storylines have to do with believing a fake rumor about Tommy Rich becoming a prostitute for a title run? Why would it be ok to make fun of Jim Barnett's sexuality or falsely accuse him about misconduct? In WHW Conrad has made fun of Barnett for months now, Conrad joked with Tony about if Tom Zenk would be a favorite of Barnett. Tom Zenk also declared to be bisexual but that didn't stop Conrad from keep making fun of Zenk. Tommy Young is an openly gay man but Conrad still made fun of him for months with the stupid Barbarian suck me off joke. They made fun of an Asian woman using the term going Japanese and using the oriental riff sound effect. Also what does it matter if one is liberal or not, its basic decency. Conrad is not a racist or a bigot but his choice in jokes over time have been questionable at best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 15:54:58 GMT -5
The entire thing was making fun of Jimmy. It was a, "How the hell did this happen?" type of thing. The Tommy Young thing is a retelling of a joke. Nasty joke, but it doesn't seem to be a mocking of his sexual orientation. I'm kind of hit or miss on Barnett material. Allow me to make a couple assumptions: You, like me, are a liberal progressive. Based on various posts you have made regarding backstage stuff, you like to engage in behind-the-scenes gossip and take a lot of it at face value. That being said, do you believe Tommy Rich was made to get the head out in order to get a world title? If so, that means you think Barnett is a sexual predator and is guilty of sexual misconduct. If that's the case, doesn't he need to be bashed and outed as such? Wait what in the actual f***? What does gossiping about storylines have to do with believing a fake rumor about Tommy Rich becoming a prostitute for a title run? Why would it be ok to make fun of Jim Barnett's sexuality or falsely accuse him about misconduct? In WHW Conrad has made fun of Barnett for months now, Conrad joked with Tony about if Tom Zenk would be a favorite of Barnett. Tom Zenk also declared to be bisexual but that didn't stop Conrad from keep making fun of Zenk. Tommy Young is an openly gay man but Conrad still made fun of him for months with the stupid Barbarian suck me off joke. They made fun of an Asian woman using the term going Japanese and using the oriental riff sound effect. Also what does it matter if one is liberal or not, its basic decency. Conrad is not a racist or a bigot but his choice in jokes over time have been questionable at best. It's worse as they called a Korean woman Japanese. I get that people may not be aware of the history there and how offensive that could potentially be, but if you're going to do stuff like this on podcasts with that kind of circulation, you need to start acting like a journalist and start putting more research and thought into it.
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Post by Jokaine on Dec 29, 2017 16:00:44 GMT -5
The entire thing was making fun of Jimmy. It was a, "How the hell did this happen?" type of thing. The Tommy Young thing is a retelling of a joke. Nasty joke, but it doesn't seem to be a mocking of his sexual orientation. I'm kind of hit or miss on Barnett material. Allow me to make a couple assumptions: You, like me, are a liberal progressive. Based on various posts you have made regarding backstage stuff, you like to engage in behind-the-scenes gossip and take a lot of it at face value. That being said, do you believe Tommy Rich was made to get the head out in order to get a world title? If so, that means you think Barnett is a sexual predator and is guilty of sexual misconduct. If that's the case, doesn't he need to be bashed and outed as such? Wait what in the actual f***? What does gossiping about storylines have to do with believing a fake rumor about Tommy Rich becoming a prostitute for a title run? Why would it be ok to make fun of Jim Barnett's sexuality or falsely accuse him about misconduct? In WHW Conrad has made fun of Barnett for months now, Conrad joked with Tony about if Tom Zenk would be a favorite of Barnett. Tom Zenk also declared to be bisexual but that didn't stop Conrad from keep making fun of Zenk. Tommy Young is an openly gay man but Conrad still made fun of him for months with the stupid Barbarian suck me off joke. They made fun of an Asian woman using the term going Japanese and using the oriental riff sound effect. Also what does it matter if one is liberal or not, its basic decency. Conrad is not a racist or a bigot but his choice in jokes over time have been questionable at best. My point about Rich was it's your choice to believe the rumor or not to believe the rumor. If you believe it, which in other threads you seem very inclined to believe a lot of backstage rumors, then that makes Barnett a sexual predator. The "jokes" about Barnett don't seem to be about his sexual orientation as much as they seem to be commentary about a tendency to wield power in exchange for sexual favors. That is a joke in the same way Seth McFarlane's Oscar comment about Weinstein was a joke. The Barbarian joke got over because of the voice. And it was jerk me off, not suck me off. Apparently it was a real joke made by the Barbarian to Tommy Young,as reported by David Flair. Tom Zenk's sexuality has never been joked about. He gets the same treatment as Rey Misterio gets in the show. To my knowledge, Rey is heterosexual. To my further knowledge, Z-Man was so far off the radar when he came out in 2011 it's possible neither knew. Hell, I had no idea he was bisexual until you told me.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 29, 2017 16:12:08 GMT -5
Jesus. This is a show where friends are bullshitting with each other which includes telling stories about their friends and making jokes about their friends. Do you honestly think they if any of these people or their families objected to what was said, they'd still be doing it? This isn't hard hitting news stuff or or anything to be taken super serious. These are supposed to be fun but all that seems to happening now is y'all looking for reasons to be upset. You've call Conrad a f***ing racist for making a joke and tried to confirm that by trying to find out he voted for.
If you don't like the jokes or the show or whatever, fine but the lengths y'all are going to express outrage is just killing things.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 29, 2017 16:23:18 GMT -5
Looking back at the WHW thread, I see you made this same argument and it's as much of a reach now as it was the first time you made it. Nobody's calling Conrad a racist bigot, but there's ways to express one's astonishment at someone seemingly dating above their level without affecting a ching-chong accent and the oriental riff. He calls Bruce out every time one of WWE's blackface skits comes up and says it's aged poorly, yet does something as equally tasteless in 2017 and is confused as to why it attracts criticism. Does he simply lack self-awareness? I should explain a couple things so that you'll understand my philosophy on racial matters. When you sad nobody is accusing Conrad of being a racist bigot, I disagree. I don't believe you can accuse someone of racism without accusing that person of being a racist. I don't believe comments are racist. I believe the people who make those comments, however, are racist. As for your last question, "Does he simply lack self-awareness?" I would say that is absolutely possible. Sadly, a lot of white people do. Ask yourself, how many white people on this board alone have felt comfortable calling someone out for acts of racism yet are perfectly ok with chiming in with lame ass Shelton jokes or Nazi jokes when ever the opportunity presents itself? Hell, there are probably a few who have reinvented themselves in the past decade yet used to call John Cena the w-word. Finally, I would like to say that your saying that his joke is is equal to Black face is to not fully understand the history of Black face, or maybe even the treatment of Blacks in America. You can be offended all you like, but please don't compare the two. You're literally arguing that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others (yellowface over blackface) while at the same time complaining that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others ("Good question, Shelton" over Conrad's joke).
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 29, 2017 16:31:10 GMT -5
Jesus. This is a show where friends are bullshitting with each other which includes telling stories about their friends and making jokes about their friends. Do you honestly think they if any of these people or their families objected to what was said, they'd still be doing it? This isn't hard hitting news stuff or or anything to be taken super serious. These are supposed to be fun but all that seems to happening now is y'all looking for reasons to be upset. You've call Conrad a f***ing racist for making a joke and tried to confirm that by trying to find out he voted for. If you don't like the jokes or the show or whatever, fine but the lengths y'all are going to express outrage is just killing things. I don't know of anyone here who legit called Conrad a racist or anything, I just said that he made some inappropriate jokes in WHW. And it doesn't matter if the families are ok with the Tom Zenk or Jim Barnett jokes they are still offensive. Conrad does a lot of stuff for charity and cancer awareness and looks to be a decent man, he just made some awful jokes that made me stop caring for WHW, but in STWW he's still a pro.
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Post by Jokaine on Dec 29, 2017 16:32:21 GMT -5
I should explain a couple things so that you'll understand my philosophy on racial matters. When you sad nobody is accusing Conrad of being a racist bigot, I disagree. I don't believe you can accuse someone of racism without accusing that person of being a racist. I don't believe comments are racist. I believe the people who make those comments, however, are racist. As for your last question, "Does he simply lack self-awareness?" I would say that is absolutely possible. Sadly, a lot of white people do. Ask yourself, how many white people on this board alone have felt comfortable calling someone out for acts of racism yet are perfectly ok with chiming in with lame ass Shelton jokes or Nazi jokes when ever the opportunity presents itself? Hell, there are probably a few who have reinvented themselves in the past decade yet used to call John Cena the w-word. Finally, I would like to say that your saying that his joke is is equal to Black face is to not fully understand the history of Black face, or maybe even the treatment of Blacks in America. You can be offended all you like, but please don't compare the two. You're literally arguing that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others (yellowface over blackface) while at the same time complaining that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others ("Good question, Shelton" over Conrad's joke). I'm arguing that Blackface is knowingly racist while humming the tune to "Turning Japanese," is not. I'm arguing that this board, and social media in general, is filled with rock-throwers who live in glass houses. I'm arguing that we might actually be able to advance as people if we figure out why people say and do things then educate those people as to why those things shouldn't be done or said rather than simply pointing a finger and yelling something with -ist on the end of the word.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 29, 2017 16:36:41 GMT -5
Wait what in the actual f***? What does gossiping about storylines have to do with believing a fake rumor about Tommy Rich becoming a prostitute for a title run? Why would it be ok to make fun of Jim Barnett's sexuality or falsely accuse him about misconduct? In WHW Conrad has made fun of Barnett for months now, Conrad joked with Tony about if Tom Zenk would be a favorite of Barnett. Tom Zenk also declared to be bisexual but that didn't stop Conrad from keep making fun of Zenk. Tommy Young is an openly gay man but Conrad still made fun of him for months with the stupid Barbarian suck me off joke. They made fun of an Asian woman using the term going Japanese and using the oriental riff sound effect. Also what does it matter if one is liberal or not, its basic decency. Conrad is not a racist or a bigot but his choice in jokes over time have been questionable at best. My point about Rich was it's your choice to believe the rumor or not to believe the rumor. If you believe it, which in other threads you seem very inclined to believe a lot of backstage rumors, then that makes Barnett a sexual predator. The "jokes" about Barnett don't seem to be about his sexual orientation as much as they seem to be commentary about a tendency to wield power in exchange for sexual favors. That is a joke in the same way Seth McFarlane's Oscar comment about Weinstein was a joke. The Barbarian joke got over because of the voice. And it was jerk me off, not suck me off. Apparently it was a real joke made by the Barbarian to Tommy Young,as reported by David Flair. Tom Zenk's sexuality has never been joked about. He gets the same treatment as Rey Misterio gets in the show. To my knowledge, Rey is heterosexual. To my further knowledge, Z-Man was so far off the radar when he came out in 2011 it's possible neither knew. Hell, I had no idea he was bisexual until you told me. Again I believe backstage rumors about storylines and events, but even I'm not that dumb to believe in hurtful fake rumors that do nothing but ruin a person's reputation. By your logic then I'm dense enough to believe that Victor Quiñonez almost sexually assaulted David Flair or other bullshit rumors? Also dude I hope you just didn't compare Jim Barnett to Harvey Weinstein, cause that would be f***ed up.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 29, 2017 17:09:11 GMT -5
You're literally arguing that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others (yellowface over blackface) while at the same time complaining that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others ("Good question, Shelton" over Conrad's joke). I'm arguing that Blackface is knowingly racist while humming the tune to "Turning Japanese," is not. Except that's not what Conrad did. I'll refer you to a post from the WHW thread as to why it's far more than that: Alright, here's why the Jimmy Hart joke was racist. Kristina Laum, who is Korean, played "Kimona Wanalaya" in ECW and "Leia Meow" in WCW when the story alleges she met Jimmy Hart. Jimmy Hart allegedly settling down with any other woman on the roster would be met with the same usual Conrad sex jokes. Conrad, instead, when with the "asian women are exotic prizes" route, erroneously thinking she was Japanese (Which, for a guy who just has to read old Observers all day he should really know) and then proceeds to use terminology that's been used to demean, dehumanize and ridicule those of Asian ethnicity in America for years. It culminates with the idea that Hart has someone become Japanese from being with her, speaking in the "oriental riff," an oft-racist specific musical phrase. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_riff ) Here's a piece on why using such a cliche, even in a manner like this, is deeply problematic: restructure.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/orientalist-riff-is-example-of-white-culture-and-tradition/Conrad usually deflects from these criticisms with "Well, I'm just a dumb hillbilly," but now he's got the biggest wrestling podcast there is and needs to realize it's not just him making joke with his buddies in Alabama. He's reaching a massive amount of people, and perpetuating things like this is harmful and irresponsible, especially when it's in such a casual climate as a wrestling podcast. It's not like Prichard putting on a accent to specifically do an impression of a specific person (some of which I do take issue with, like the fictional punjabi bossman), this is Conrad making an outright racist bit. Make sense? Conrad would have to be the most ignorant person on the planet to not know that what he was saying wasn't casually racist, and even that shouldn't excuse him. Accidental racism is still racism. But as I said originally, nobody is calling Conrad a racist bigot. There's plenty of evidence to support the contrary, and I do not believe for a second that he is. You are the one who holds the strict belief that one cannot make a racist comment or joke without being racist, and are trying to argue that a shitty, racist joke isn't racist to justify your position.
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Post by Jokaine on Dec 29, 2017 17:10:03 GMT -5
My point about Rich was it's your choice to believe the rumor or not to believe the rumor. If you believe it, which in other threads you seem very inclined to believe a lot of backstage rumors, then that makes Barnett a sexual predator. The "jokes" about Barnett don't seem to be about his sexual orientation as much as they seem to be commentary about a tendency to wield power in exchange for sexual favors. That is a joke in the same way Seth McFarlane's Oscar comment about Weinstein was a joke. The Barbarian joke got over because of the voice. And it was jerk me off, not suck me off. Apparently it was a real joke made by the Barbarian to Tommy Young,as reported by David Flair. Tom Zenk's sexuality has never been joked about. He gets the same treatment as Rey Misterio gets in the show. To my knowledge, Rey is heterosexual. To my further knowledge, Z-Man was so far off the radar when he came out in 2011 it's possible neither knew. Hell, I had no idea he was bisexual until you told me. Again I believe backstage rumors about storylines and events, but even I'm not that dumb to believe in hurtful fake rumors that do nothing but ruin a person's reputation. By your logic then I'm dense enough to believe that Victor Quiñonez almost sexually assaulted David Flair or other bullshit rumors? Also dude I hope you just didn't compare Jim Barnett to Harvey Weinstein, cause that would be f***ed up. In one page of a thread you definitively state Tully Blanchard and Rikishi are pieces of shit and that Tessa Blanchard is an asshole. Unless you personally know the three, you're making hurtful statements about people based on nothing but hearsay. Those comments had nothing to do with storylines or events. For the record, I wasn't comparing Barnett and Weinstein, but rather the nature of the "joke." On the other hand, if Barnett told Rich he'd get him a title reign in exchange for sexual favors, that certainly qualifies Barnett as a sexual predator. Let me clarify, though. This part of the conversation is just to make a point. The Rich rumor has been around for decades and I have never believed it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 29, 2017 17:17:19 GMT -5
Again I believe backstage rumors about storylines and events, but even I'm not that dumb to believe in hurtful fake rumors that do nothing but ruin a person's reputation. By your logic then I'm dense enough to believe that Victor Quiñonez almost sexually assaulted David Flair or other bullshit rumors? Also dude I hope you just didn't compare Jim Barnett to Harvey Weinstein, cause that would be f***ed up. In one page of a thread you definitively state Tully Blanchard and Rikishi are pieces of shit and that Tessa Blanchard is an asshole. Unless you personally know the three, you're making hurtful statements about people based on nothing but hearsay. Those comments had nothing to do with storylines or events. For the record, I wasn't comparing Barnett and Weinstein, but rather the nature of the "joke." On the other hand, if Barnett told Rich he'd get him a title reign in exchange for sexual favors, that certainly qualifies Barnett as a sexual predator. Let me clarify, though. This part of the conversation is just to make a point. The Rich rumor has been around for decades and I have never believed it. There were multiple stories about Tully being a prick backstage that I was repeating. Regarding Rikishi if you read the whole thread, other posters commented that the guy wasn't that pleasant while they were getting his autograph. I called him a piece of shit because a poster related a story that she witnessed were Rikishi acted like a piece of shit . There were also reports about Tessa being difficult to get along with backstage. How do I go from discussing stories and events that were reported with other posters to me being so stupid that I believe Jim Barnett is a sexual predator?
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Post by chazraps on Dec 29, 2017 17:22:31 GMT -5
You're literally arguing that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others (yellowface over blackface) while at the same time complaining that some forms of racism are more acceptable than others ("Good question, Shelton" over Conrad's joke). I'm arguing that Blackface is knowingly racist while humming the tune to "Turning Japanese," is not. I'm arguing that this board, and social media in general, is filled with rock-throwers who live in glass houses. I'm arguing that we might actually be able to advance as people if we figure out why people say and do things then educate those people as to why those things shouldn't be done or said rather than simply pointing a finger and yelling something with -ist on the end of the word. You know that "tune" far predates "Turning Japanese," right? And, like blackface, has a very specific history?
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Post by Jokaine on Dec 29, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5
In one page of a thread you definitively state Tully Blanchard and Rikishi are pieces of shit and that Tessa Blanchard is an asshole. Unless you personally know the three, you're making hurtful statements about people based on nothing but hearsay. Those comments had nothing to do with storylines or events. For the record, I wasn't comparing Barnett and Weinstein, but rather the nature of the "joke." On the other hand, if Barnett told Rich he'd get him a title reign in exchange for sexual favors, that certainly qualifies Barnett as a sexual predator. Let me clarify, though. This part of the conversation is just to make a point. The Rich rumor has been around for decades and I have never believed it. There were multiple stories about Tully being a prick backstage that I was repeating. Regarding Rikishi if you read the whole thread, other posters commented that the guy wasn't that pleasant while they were getting his autograph. I called him a piece of shit because a poster related a story that she witnessed were Rikishi acted like a piece of shit . There were also reports about Tessa being difficult to get along with backstage. How do I go from discussing stories and events that were reported with other posters to me being so stupid that I believe Jim Barnett is a sexual predator? So you're saying you think it's rational to call someone a piece of shit because another person observed them looking unpleasant during an autograph session but that you would have to be stupid to believe a man in power would hold said power over the heads of his employees in an effort to get sexual favors?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 29, 2017 17:28:55 GMT -5
There were multiple stories about Tully being a prick backstage that I was repeating. Regarding Rikishi if you read the whole thread, other posters commented that the guy wasn't that pleasant while they were getting his autograph. I called him a piece of shit because a poster related a story that she witnessed were Rikishi acted like a piece of shit . There were also reports about Tessa being difficult to get along with backstage. How do I go from discussing stories and events that were reported with other posters to me being so stupid that I believe Jim Barnett is a sexual predator? So you're saying you think it's rational to call someone a piece of shit because another person observed them looking unpleasant during an autograph session but that you would have to be stupid to believe a man in power would hold said power over the heads of his employees in an effort to get sexual favors? If you're gonna go through my story at least explain the whole context. I'll do it for you since you didn't bother to do it. My brother met Rikishi during Axxess, for WM29, and he told me that he acted like he didn't want to be there at all. (I didn't meet him). A guy had his 2 grandsons there, and one started to get dizzy, and fell down. EMT's had to help the kid. The people running the line assured them, that they wouldn't lose their spot. Like, if i was in line to meet him, and the kid got helped enough, they would let him go ahead. Rikishi wanted them to wait in back of the line again. That stuck with me, especially considering the kid is old enough to be my son. I apologize to edgestar if she receives a notification. This is why I called Rikishi a piece of shit.
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Post by Jokaine on Dec 29, 2017 17:33:28 GMT -5
I'm arguing that Blackface is knowingly racist while humming the tune to "Turning Japanese," is not. I'm arguing that this board, and social media in general, is filled with rock-throwers who live in glass houses. I'm arguing that we might actually be able to advance as people if we figure out why people say and do things then educate those people as to why those things shouldn't be done or said rather than simply pointing a finger and yelling something with -ist on the end of the word. You know that "tune" far predates "Turning Japanese," right? And, like blackface, has a very specific history? Absolutely. I still don't feel it compares to Blackface, or the mistreatment Blacks have been subjected to in the United States. I apologize if that offends but I am all too aware that in 2017 Blacks are still victims of dangerous, negative stereotypes that often can wind them up in graves. The same cannot be said of Asians.
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